Days of Broken Arrows said:
shark bites. you can pinch their leg tightly and repeatedly
A fat person has you pinned down on the ground- how do you escape?
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shark bites. you can pinch their leg tightly and repeatedly
But the person on top is in a better position to do so. Rios point is that u shouldnt escalate the level of violence in a fight when u are in an inferior position because if ur opponent survives your attack, he is in a better position to do the same and much worse to you.
Example: lets say ive got an an opponent in a kimura (shoulder lock) with the intention of only controlling him until he calms down. If he tries to bite my arm to escape, im going to get angry and snap his shit up then stomp him hard when hes incapacitated. Sure the bite will hurt, I might be bleeding a bit, but he will be significantly worse off when im done with him.
Example: lets say ive got an an opponent in a kimura (shoulder lock) with the intention of only controlling him until he calms down. If he tries to bite my arm to escape, im going to get angry and snap his shit up then stomp him hard when hes incapacitated. Sure the bite will hurt, I might be bleeding a bit, but he will be significantly worse off when im done with him.
Draugr said:
No, you aren't.
For one, he's on top, so he controls where your face is. All it takes is one hand on your head to control where your nose, ear, whatever is, lean in, and bite it off. You will not be able to move your head to bite back. Besides that, he's on top and and can easily pull away. You are on bottom, and will be stuck there with no chance of defense.
Draugr said:
You're obviously clueless about this. You're not choking anyone while you're mounted or on bottom side control.
Statsi said:
Yeah he could, but it's extremely rare. However, if you go and significantly escalate the situation while you're pinned and helpless, it makes it much more likley he's going to respond much more brutally.
Not to mention, how to do you plan to use your groin strikes on someone while you're pinned underneath them? Even if you could hit them, you have no leverage and your punches will have no power. You're just going to escalate the situation into something much more violent while you're trapped on the ground.
As far as eye gouges, you won't be able to reach their eyes. If they are on top, they can hit you, and you can't him them back. They can also control your wrists super easily from top, and you are left helpless.
Had you ever stepped on the mats, you'd know that being pinned by someone much larger than you is a very bad situation, and your groin strikes will do nothing other than supremely piss them off.
There is no offense to mount while you're pinned under someone. You have to escape before you can attack.
Draugr said:
This thread is about being pinned under someone, with the OP's original link being about mount. If someone is in your guard, that isn't much of a pin.
Well, you're not going to like it, but if you can reach....
Stick your finger in his asshole. In wrestling they called this "picking his corn," though I fortunately never witnessed anyone actually do it.
You better believe that such a move would make any guy squirm off of you as fast as he could, giving you a chance to get away. haha
You better hope he doesn't regain his composure quickly enough to hold you down though because he's surely going to try his best to beat your brains after a stunt like that.
Stick your finger in his asshole. In wrestling they called this "picking his corn," though I fortunately never witnessed anyone actually do it.
You better believe that such a move would make any guy squirm off of you as fast as he could, giving you a chance to get away. haha
You better hope he doesn't regain his composure quickly enough to hold you down though because he's surely going to try his best to beat your brains after a stunt like that.
RioNomad said:
This was my go to move since i was smaller than everyone else.
However doing the bridge never fails to throw someone off balance, i have done it to guys almost 70 pounds heavier than me.
Ive practiced techniques to escape from mount for a year and im not even close to being good at them. So expecting to do something even remotely similar in a fighting situation for an untrained guy is wishful thinking.
We used to do drills with the teacher on top of us with boxing gloves and he would hit us until we escaped. The adrenaline rush makes you forget technique if youre not used to getting hit in that position.
I will say thought that there is a proper way to mount someone its not like you fell on his stomach and start opening up his eyebrown via elbows like in the UFC, its really easy to lose balance, and at least for me personally my punches dont have anywhere near the same force as when im standing up. Youre pretty much hammer fisting the other guy. Most guys will not be able to hold that position very long and throw good punches, unless of course you just lay there with your legs straight covering your face.
I would recommend anyone to just do the bridge (that would give enough space to move out your hips against most untrained guys), and then just slide your hips out, there was a move where you roll over to one side i cant even remember whats its called in spanish (maybe rio knows?) , but again you would have to train for it. From there push away the guy with your legs putting your feet on his hip, and get up as fast as you can.
I don't know about it being very rare. For my age group in my country murder is the number one cause of death for men my age, so I'm more likely to die from a guy attacking me that any other way. For the groin attack reaching down and squeezing/yanking on his testes would be the plan. This is the method women in India use to murder their husbands, you better believe there's less of a strength difference between me and my attacker than a man vs a woman.
It's rare that some random is going to attack you and end your life, sure granted. It's incredibly common once a fight has begun for the losing party to end up with permanent damage.
It's rare that some random is going to attack you and end your life, sure granted. It's incredibly common once a fight has begun for the losing party to end up with permanent damage.
Also I've trained jiu jitsu in my youth, by all means disagree with fighting back incase it escalates the situation, but trying to void my points by alleging it's a lack of mat experience is a bullshit argument. I've been torn apart by bigger guys who have managed to get mount, which is why I said the best thing to do is to avoid it happening in the first place. Once is happens though this assumption you're better laying there rather than rolling the dice is not for me.
Is this a serious thread or just one of those kinda serious kinda funny threads?
Most of the posts seem to be competing for who can come up with the most witty response.
Grabbing a guy`s balls? How? His groin is buried in your stomach
Bench him off me? No comment
Biting or gouging eyes? Youre not gonna be close enough to bite anything, and as far as gouging the eyes from that position he can just grab one of your fingers and try to break it, not to mention arm bar if he has training.
Again i dont know if some of this responses are serious but im assuming a guest might come in here read this and think well im not gonna find any value in this forum.
Most of the posts seem to be competing for who can come up with the most witty response.
Grabbing a guy`s balls? How? His groin is buried in your stomach
Bench him off me? No comment
Biting or gouging eyes? Youre not gonna be close enough to bite anything, and as far as gouging the eyes from that position he can just grab one of your fingers and try to break it, not to mention arm bar if he has training.
Again i dont know if some of this responses are serious but im assuming a guest might come in here read this and think well im not gonna find any value in this forum.
Statsi said:
Did you train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Really?
I obviously never said not to fight back. You're trolling me now and twisting my words.
You do have a lack of mat experience, I know because you said "I've trained jiu jitsu in my youth". So I know you've never really trained BJJ extensively, and probably trained some other bullshit form of Ju Jitsu.
This whole thread is about not laying there, and about escaping. Again, you're making shit up.
Statsi said:
Ok lol. But I'm telling you, if you had ever really trained, you'd know there is no chance you are going to reach down and rip someones balls off. I know it seems possible to someone who doesn't train, but to someone whose trained for nearly 4 years with BJJ black belts and pro MMA fighters, I can tell you, when you're pinned on the ground, you really won't be able to do that.
Draugr said:
Which is exactly what this thread is about, is getting out from under a bad position.
You have a lot of cute one liners in here though. You've trained for less than 6 months, right? I mean really trained, not shown up here and there for a coupe months, quit going, then showed back up a year later only to quit 4 months later again. That doesn't equal 1.5 years.
More of the same from you, just implying I don't know enough bjj so I'm full of it. I stopped training when I got into lines of work that depended on me not being injured or bruised. I could easily say you couldn't escape if the guy on top knows what he's doing, that he's better at fighting and out to kill you. In that case you are fucked, do you have anything to actually contribute than if the guy is better you're fucked and if only I knew more jiu jitsu I'd agree with you? Cause that's some logical fallacy nonsense. It's not about that guy, it's about what you can do. It's not about how much mat time I've had, it's about what you can do when a guy pins you.
Hell, just lie there while the dude decides on how merciful he's feeling. After all it's not that common that you get hurt right?
Maybe if you had any actual experience in street fights you'd know your cute jiu jitsu escapes don't matter once the guys pinning you, see that fallacy is pretty easy and still pointless. I don't fight for fun, I don't have a point to prove in a street fight. If a dude is pinning me it's because he's randomly attacked me, when a random attack begins how bad does it usually get?
Hell, just lie there while the dude decides on how merciful he's feeling. After all it's not that common that you get hurt right?
Maybe if you had any actual experience in street fights you'd know your cute jiu jitsu escapes don't matter once the guys pinning you, see that fallacy is pretty easy and still pointless. I don't fight for fun, I don't have a point to prove in a street fight. If a dude is pinning me it's because he's randomly attacked me, when a random attack begins how bad does it usually get?
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