A Monk Endorses Return Of Kings

[Truth Teller]

^^ I have problems with a lot of the Catholic dogma. The fact that you burn in hell forever if you die before confession is one of them.

I thought that Catholicism taught redemption through good deeds?

 

[Quintus Curtius]

@Truth Teller & Celtic:

Celtic says "...the only question shold be if it really is true or not."

I disagree. In fact, I think the least important thing about a religion is whether its theology is "true" or not. This is a narrow-minded view that ignores human nature. The purpose of a religion is to impart a moral code to people, to control the baser instincts of man, and to provide a vehicle for his spiritual aspirations.

Those aspirations have been with man from the dawn of time. As early as 60,000 years ago, man was painting deities and supernatural forces on cave walls. The spiritual urge is an elemental one in man.

The purpose of religion is to provide some supernatural sanction to a moral code. Man needs fear to keep him in line. Without the backing of divine authority, no one would follow the moral admonitions that are necessary for civilization.

Without religion, there is no civilization. There is only chaos and debilitating, enervating wastage.

The average person is too harried, too harassed, to beset by anxieties and troubles to be convinced by the the arguments of philosophy and reason. They need to believe that there is some higher power that provides a source of divine justice. To take that away from people is cruel.

That's why no one listens to atheists and hedonists for long. Because these people have nothing to offer man in his sufferings and bereavements. Nothing! What are they offering? That life is nothing but a meaningless charade, and that death is the only certainty? That this universe is devoid of all meaning?

He who understands human nature, understands why religions are necessary for mankind. And why they always have been necessary.

Look at the stories, the fables, and the values contained in religions. Are they not the source of the profoundest truths?

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[Dr. Howard]

To me, his comment raises some interesting discussion points:

1. To what extent does manosphere ("red pill") teachings intersect with traditional religious doctrine?

2. Are we likely to see a revival of traditional religion, as a backlash against feminist excesses?

3. Will traditional institutions continue to function, as they did in the remote past, as preservers of traditional civilization in the face of barbarian onslaughts?

I've been really enjoying this slow but gradual shift in tone of this forum and the culture around me lately. It seems other people are starting to look upwards. That fear they've felt for years is starting to give way to something else whether it be anger or a higher purpose. Welcome to the forum!

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1. Pretty much everything except the obvious (amassing a lot of notches). Ironically, doing game and pick up can eventually spiritually distitute some individuals which brings them to Christ (my own story). Not everyone will experience this though, but there is a common bond between true Christian men and men of the "red pill".

2. As another poster said, we already have. It's slow, but growing. Christianity flourishes when stuff goes bad. With the standard of living declining and Americans getting more and more miserable, religion will begin to fill the void where materialistic concerns can't be met. In the age of renting, spirituality is one thing you can own.

3. There's going to be a massive re-org similar to the conversion of Soviet Russia to a free market economy. Who knows what institutions will remain. Wealth is disappearing, everyone will be affected.

Sounds like the story of Siddhartha to me, more the Herman Hess novel, or even the parable from the bible of the son that blows his inheritance before returning home again.

 

[Truth Teller]

Quintius, I agree.

The theological truth of a religion is really not particularly relevant. I personally believe there's a God, but nobody can be sure of such a thing. That's why we call it "religious faith," not "religious truth." It took me a long time to figure out whether or not God existed, and if anyone's interested in hearing, he can PM me.

The thing that really lasts is the values that said religion inculcates. Christianity really stems, at least in my opinion, from one basic tenet: love thy neighbor. Now that technology seems to be destroying our ability to talk to people, Christianity is losing its hold. (Yes, I know this a very simplistic explanation, a lengthy one would take several hundred pages)

Disclaimer: I'm not a Christian. There are other people here better equipped to talk about Christianity.

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

This intellectual "neo-reactionary monk" who affects to convince himself and others that he believes and takes seriously the "apparition of the Virgin in Fatima" when he believes nothing of the sort;

And the equally intellectual progressive atheist self-styled "organic farmer" who has thrown away his air conditioning and lives a harried locavore's life of negative carbon footprint, a modern day monk himself --

They are exactly the same in every way that matters. They have become entirely convinced of just what QC states above -- the "meaninglessness" of a world without God -- and with the all-encompassing knowledge of that "meaninglessness" to the end of the line, they see the complexity of life as it is as an added insult: all this activity; all for nothing. And so, with the hard-mindedness, dedication and fanaticism of white men whose first youth is behind them, they retire to an affected monastic simplicity of life, which, together with one or another crudely reductive ideology, allows them to keep their apprehension of "meaninglessness" at bay.

It is unfortunate that intelligent men have become so convinced of this idea of "meaninglessness" that they feel compelled to attach themselves, in one way or another, to an austere pseudo-religion, with guilt and proscriptions to spare. These are spiritually and cognitively reduced and blighted lives, and one waits for the day when the intractable confusions that have led to them are changed either by brute fact or by new and different thought.

 

[Celtic]

Truthteller: Catholicism does not teach any sort of redemption through good deeds. You could dedicate your life towards helping the poor, donate half your salary to charity, mentor underprivliged kids, and then masturbate one time or use a condom and go straight to hell for that.

Quintus:

I think part of being a man is intergrity, and I don't see how espousing a philosophy you don't really believe fits in with that.

As far as justifying religion because of it's morality, these religious moral systems would say that just about everyone on this forum from Roosh on down is going to Hell to be tortured forever. I don't think there is anything moral about that.

I wonder if for you this discussion about religion being helpful is theoretical or if you have experienced being part of this. This is a forum where men help other men and advise them based on their experience, and based on my experience with Catholicism I couldn't recommend it to any man. For me, the threat of hell was psychological torture. I didn't develop any sort of game until after I left the religion and learned from men who weren't religious. I'm glad to be an atheist now and that I can have sex and not feel guilty about it.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

^^^
@Celtic:

I don't see any contradiction in pursuing women, and at the same time believing that religion serves a useful purpose in human history. In my life, I have spent a lot of time--fruitfully!--in pursuits of the flesh. It has brought me a great deal of satisfaction, and at the same time much trouble. But that is how it is. We are men. And I will continue to do so. It is my prerogative. I'm not particularly concerned about burning hellfire, damnation, and other theological details. That is not my purpose.

A true scholar does not ask himself whether heaven or hell as places "exist" or not. What concerns me is something different: I am interested in why religions have developed in every society in world history. What fascinates me is man as a social animal.

My reading of history and anthropology have convinced me that religion and the spiritual impulse are two of the greatest legacies of civilized man. Think of all the great works of art, literature, and song that have been inspired by devotion! Who can fail to be moved by the sublime, awesome sight of the flying buttresses of Notre Dame? Who cannot stand in the midst of the giant redwoods of California on a clear day, silent to oneself, and look up at the vault above and not be inspired by visions of the divine?

As for moral codes imparted by religion, who can fail to be impressed by the sight of an exiled people, the Jews, wandering Europe and the Near East for hundreds of years, patiently preserving their language and heritage, their cultural legacy contained in their precious books, keeping true to the dietary and moral codes of their fathers, generation after generation?

And as for the Christians, who can fail to be awestruck by the story of a martyred holy man, betrayed and executed, whose followers would patiently for decades preach the virtues of love, forgiveness, and charity, and would one day inherit the throne of the Caesars in Rome, and establish the most powerful institution in history?

And as for the Moslems, who can fail to be impressed by an austere, stern code, arising out of the bleak desert, that would spread like wildfire and within one hundred years cover nearly all of known Asia and Africa, and which would then embark on a golden age of science and philosophy that left Europe in the dark for hundreds of years?

We should be more respectful of our forefathers, I think.

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[Samseau]

as for how long it will take before religion is considered a hate crime, my guess is 20 years tops)

Do you truly believe it will be all religions? Judaism is a "race," and Muslims are quick to go jihad if you target them. Christians don't defend themselves so it's easy to ban that one.

 

[Luvianka]

I guess we are going to witness, also in the West, the resurgence of traditional values, but not wrapped in a religious cover. Maybe a kind of 'Tradional Secularism'.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

as for how long it will take before religion is considered a hate crime, my guess is 20 years tops)

Do you truly believe it will be all religions? Judaism is a "race," and Muslims are quick to go jihad if you target them. Christians don't defend themselves so it's easy to ban that one.

Samulus:

No, I don't really believe that, literally...I was exaggerating a bit.

All religions are under severe attack by secularism and modernism, and we have seen a slow and steady decay of Christian belief in the West. A historian might even say that Christianity was doomed once the Industrial Revolution started in the late 18th century. There is much truth in this hard indictment.

Christianity seems to have declined the most because Europe and America are the most "modern" and "secular" of the world's regions.

But this is how civilizations rise and fall. A civilization tends to fall with its religion. Once the belief system that gave rise to the civilization collapses, the civilization tends to die with it. When the civilization falls, there will be centuries of chaos and turbulence.

And then, from the ruins, a new religion rises to take the place of the old one, perhaps incorporating fragments of the old faith in the new one. Just as the new Christian religion synthesized the old Oriental cults in the near east (Serapis, Orpheus, Mithras, etc.).

Cycles, cycles, my dear Samulus.

 

[Brian Boru]

The revival of religious tradition is definitely underway in Poland and EE.

http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/images/2014/5/20//201452064146242734_20.jpg


And for that matter, the Northern peoples are returning to our ancestral ways as well. It is a definite rejection of materialism and the emptiness of modern life if nothing else.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The revival of religious tradition is definitely underway in Poland and EE.

Nah - only some of the older extremists part. Church attendance is going down constantly, the young people are leaving the country since being jobless in the UK or Sweden is better than having a low-level job for 300 EUR in Poland (if you can get that job with real unemployment around 20%).

Traditionalism is not on the rise despite some movements out there. Most of the people following that are old.

While you can find better quality girls and wife-material women in Poland it is getting worse by the hour. There is no real nation-wide revival. Trust me. I see more and more girls riding the carousel hard. In fact I profit from it here.

Sometimes I run my Game in English because it puts me in the exciting short-time Lover category instead if I tried it in my Polish 3rd language. Being fucked by a foreigner is better than having to deal with a potential boyfriend here. That tells you something about the change in fem-centric mentality.

 

[Constitution45]

The revival of religious tradition is definitely underway in Poland and EE.

Nah - only some of the older extremists part. Church attendance is going down constantly, the young people are leaving the country since being jobless in the UK or Sweden is better than having a low-level job for 300 EUR in Poland (if you can get that job with real unemployment around 20%).

Traditionalism is not on the rise despite some movements out there. Most of the people following that are old.

While you can find better quality girls and wife-material women in Poland it is getting worse by the hour. There is no real nation-wide revival. Trust me. I see more and more girls riding the carousel hard. In fact I profit from it here.

Sometimes I run my Game in English because it puts me in the exciting short-time Lover category instead if I tried it in my Polish 3rd language. Being fucked by a foreigner is better than having to deal with a potential boyfriend here. That tells you something about the change in fem-centric mentality.

Have you noticed the same with the rest of EE, or just in Poland ?

So many Poles have come to the U.K and abroad in the last decade, that it is going to make a substantial difference to the situation back home. Some of really do take to the conditions over here, and the women love it because their value goes up high in a place like the U.K.

In Russia I was surprised as I expected it to be a free for all but it really wasn't the case. I would say that this was because of poverty, but I am talking about professional women who have lived abroad.
It was very easy getting a hot girlfriend being a foreigner, but it would require at least 6-7 dates, maybe even more.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Have you noticed the same with the rest of EE, or just in Poland ?

So many Poles have come to the U.K and abroad in the last decade, that it is going to make a substantial difference to the situation back home. Some of really do take to the conditions over here, and the women love it because their value goes up high in a place like the U.K.

In Russia I was surprised as I expected it to be a free for all but it really wasn't the case. I would say that this was because of poverty, but I am talking about professional women who have lived abroad.
It was very easy getting a hot girlfriend being a foreigner, but it would require at least 6-7 dates, maybe even more.

Rest of EE is even worse, since it is even less catholic and religious. My Czech and Russian is simply not good enough to pass off as a local, so I don't know the difference, but I've heard that it is sometimes faster to score as a local than a foreigner in Russia, because the women don't see you as a potential boyfriend in many cases. The foreigner however can take her away to his homecountry, so I guess in a way the Provider aspect is built in your approach, thus 6 dates instead of a local young guy with Game who is instantly shelved as a Lover by the Russian girl. I've heard this from some local young cads (with little financial means) who do a bit of approaches.

In EE within the EU they don't have that kind of perception of a foreigner, since they can move anytime they want to the West. Plus feminist indoctrination is less prevalent in the FSU. Local perceptions are different - met a cool black guy yesterday night and he does quite well in Poland (saw him pull that night in fact), but he told me that it is more difficult to get a girlfriend for him than a fuck-buddy. He does not mind so far, but still... Game is different depending on your nationality, race etc. - guys will have different experiences to a degree.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

Orthodox Christianity's heritage is little understood or appreciated in the West. Greek Christianity has its own traditions, rules, and procedures that are sometimes very different from what is followed in Latin Christendom. I got a great appreciation of their way of doing things when I and some Greek army soldiers interviewed the monks at a monastery in Krka, Croatia.

 

[Constitution45]

Have you noticed the same with the rest of EE, or just in Poland ?

So many Poles have come to the U.K and abroad in the last decade, that it is going to make a substantial difference to the situation back home. Some of really do take to the conditions over here, and the women love it because their value goes up high in a place like the U.K.

In Russia I was surprised as I expected it to be a free for all but it really wasn't the case. I would say that this was because of poverty, but I am talking about professional women who have lived abroad.
It was very easy getting a hot girlfriend being a foreigner, but it would require at least 6-7 dates, maybe even more.

Rest of EE is even worse, since it is even less catholic and religious. My Czech and Russian is simply not good enough to pass off as a local, so I don't know the difference, but I've heard that it is sometimes faster to score as a local than a foreigner in Russia, because the women don't see you as a potential boyfriend in many cases. The foreigner however can take her away to his homecountry, so I guess in a way the Provider aspect is built in your approach, thus 6 dates instead of a local young guy with Game who is instantly shelved as a Lover by the Russian girl. I've heard this from some local young cads (with little financial means) who do a bit of approaches.

In EE within the EU they don't have that kind of perception of a foreigner, since they can move anytime they want to the West. Plus feminist indoctrination is less prevalent in the FSU. Local perceptions are different - met a cool black guy yesterday night and he does quite well in Poland (saw him pull that night in fact), but he told me that it is more difficult to get a girlfriend for him than a fuck-buddy. He does not mind so far, but still... Game is different depending on your nationality, race etc. - guys will have different experiences to a degree.

Interesting I noticed this a lot, LMR was a pain and you had to really change your approach, Same thing in China. In Russia I noticed that being aloof and confident was far better than being a loud "laddish" type. Even though the latter would get you very far in England, it just didn't seem to fly over there.

Russian chicks are smarter, but just as hypergamous, they use it more to a long term means though, in order to get a family and kids, marriage is a big form of status, probably because of the old soviet culture. They do go wild for it when they are living abroad though, or on holidays to Greece, Turkey.

I see Eastern European men as having tight game, although they can't offer what a Western man can; they still know their "women". My best nights out where with this Bulgarian guy who had the best game I ever seen.