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<blockquote data-quote="MichaelWitcoff" data-source="post: 1515217" data-attributes="member: 16038"><p>As I understand it, those who separated themselves from the Church no longer have the gifts granted through Apostolic Succession, nor the right to continue said Succession through the laying-on of hands. For a long time I considered Catholics and Anglicans to have Apostolic Succession, due to their spiritual lineages in the ancient past, but since one cannot be ordained by someone outside the Church, then the succession ceased immediately in the generation that cut itself off from said Church. If the Eucharist cannot be valid without a Bishop, then no group without Apostolic Succession can celebrate a valid Eucharist. That isn&#039;t to say that God cannot work with those outside the Church, as I am fairly sure that all of us who have ever left the house or spoken to other humans knows non-Orthodox who began to read their Bibles, go to their local parishes of whatever variety, and can attribute a change in heart and lifestyle to those activities. But they do not have the Mysteries (Sacraments) of the Church, because the Church is the Body of Christ.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="MichaelWitcoff, post: 1515217, member: 16038"] As I understand it, those who separated themselves from the Church no longer have the gifts granted through Apostolic Succession, nor the right to continue said Succession through the laying-on of hands. For a long time I considered Catholics and Anglicans to have Apostolic Succession, due to their spiritual lineages in the ancient past, but since one cannot be ordained by someone outside the Church, then the succession ceased immediately in the generation that cut itself off from said Church. If the Eucharist cannot be valid without a Bishop, then no group without Apostolic Succession can celebrate a valid Eucharist. That isn't to say that God cannot work with those outside the Church, as I am fairly sure that all of us who have ever left the house or spoken to other humans knows non-Orthodox who began to read their Bibles, go to their local parishes of whatever variety, and can attribute a change in heart and lifestyle to those activities. But they do not have the Mysteries (Sacraments) of the Church, because the Church is the Body of Christ. [/QUOTE]

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