Advice: Dealing with Powerful Gammas

[Magnus Stout]

Question: What’s the best tactics and techniques in dealing with an incompetent Gamma authority figure?

Background: I’m occasionally required to pass an issue to a particular leader for resolution. This particular person literally occupies their position solely based on politics, rather than merit. They are known to be lazy and regularly ill-informed. I believe they are a “fake Alpha” (Gamma) based upon their continuous dishonesty. We don’t get along & I’m not sure how to deal with the situation.

So far, I have approached the situation this way: salute the office, not the man (ex: Sgt. Winters from Band of Brothers).

Thoughts?

 

[kel]

That's all you can do, unfortunately, and work towards moving either up or out. Definitely consider the latter. If your workplace is the kind of place that enables incompetent people to hold positions of power you'll probably have a difficult time moving up, and will have to deal with more such people regardless, and is that the kind of place you really want to be anyways?

 

[Magnus Stout]

My area is not academia, but has some of the same issues: being overrun by SJWs ideologues and snakes. SJWism operates with female “logic” at its core: feelz > reelz. This “philosophy” attracts bluehairs and weak Gamma males. Those types really seem to enjoy hating on straight white men.

I think your fundamental answer is correct—up or out—with the latter being the only realistic option for me. Luckily, I have other responsibilities that permit me to minimize contact with that person. It’s tragic because I’m good at my job but the individuals that the Gamma likes are just snakes and their gasslighting (up is down—down is up) never works on me..... I wonder if this is what happened as the Reds took over in Russia and China (millions of death by starvation and incompetence...)?

Anyways, I think a consequence of Game will be learning how to counteract the blowback from an increasingly feminized culture.

 

[forestdweller]

I suppose you have to hide your power level if you want to get anywhere, corporations especially.

Insightful advice above, either he's not quite as incompetent as you suspect or else it's a sign of a shakey foundation.

In communist societies (eastern bloc from personal stories) you really had to stfu and pretend to be on board with atheism and things of that nature. It feels like we're approaching this unfortunately. Lose the battle but win the war?

 

[Sargon2112]

We have a similar situation at the company I work for, with our recently promoted engineering manager. He's an intelligent guy and in his area of expertise (quality, standards, documentation), he is quite competent. However, when it comes to engineering and design, he is not, yet, he micromanages and lies through his teeth to cover up the BS he's told regarding topics he has no clue about. The guy will not heed the advice of those of us with the expertise. Those of us in the engineering group have adopted the rope feeding philosophy, as it's the only real option.

 

[Magnus Stout]

Alphas and Gammas are often both intelligent. But, the attributes that we associate with masculine men—duty, honor, virtue, honesty—are missing in the Gamma due to their dishonesty (they—like SJWs—replace real virtue with fake virtue—“tolerance, acceptance,” etc...).

Another reason I suspect Gammatude is that he thinks like a woman: feelings & appearances dictate facts and outcomes. He also seems to defer & pedestalize women & to nurse grudges. I rarely have problems with real Alphas. My SSH is a probably a high delta/low beta.

I think the same thing must have happened when the Bolsheviks took over, pushing out masculine men. For example, compare someone like Beria (secret police) to a man like Zhukov (war hero Alpha male who they had to keep in order to defeat the Nazis). That’s oil and water... Those creeps push out virtuous men & society pays the price (ex: mega-Gamma, Hitler).

It’s also interesting to hear random stories of men “pulling back,” living simply (ex: Roman McClay) & doing their own thing. That must be the mechanism of how society slows & then collapses—the men pull away; Atlas shrugs. The corollary is that you cannot deny or pervert the socio-sexual hierarchy (SSH) without courting disaster—we find our place based on merit & competition.

I’m happy that I have some freedom to reduce contact with that person. Like everyone is saying—this is becoming common (due to feminization). Men also need to have “Plan B and C” options as organizations get infiltrated.

 

[Magnus Stout]

Fellas, it just hit me: the “fix” was the duel!

That’s why men could challenge other men with physical violence—gammas run from physical conflict.

No dueling & no bullying leads to a surplus of gammas.

Direct conflict 100% resolves SSH questions.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

I wonder if this is what happened as the Reds took over in Russia and China (millions of death by starvation and incompetence...)?

I think Kel poted an article on this in another thread: https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

One of the best articles I have read.

I've heard about the same in numerous companies - where obedience gets rewarded over competence. I've always found it disgusting if someone buttered up to me; but there are others who love it. For these gamma managers to get into position suggests that the owners/board are of a similar disposition.

The only time I have experienced this is in school. My school was bizarrely favourtist based on the pupils teachers liked. I was dumped in the dumb classes after getting As in exams. While those who sucked up the most got to stay in the top classes. One friend was a literal genius, likely with a 160 IQ, competing academically on the national level. He also got dumped in a dumb class. After complaining it took him about 6 weeks top get bunked back up where he belonged. While a straight C student and suck up was moved up immediately. Others who were dumped in the dumb classes ended up getting an A in maths, which was the toughest grade to get. When I was dumped in to the dumb class I worked hard, should have got As, but got Cs. So I never did much work after that. I also decided to be honest and just say I hadn't done my homework - detention. While those who hadn't but fawned at the teachers feet were let off. Not doing the homework wasn't the issue. It was not kissing the ring.

There were some teachers who put in extra hours to improve the school. These were quite harshly disrespected as they were seen as slaves who did free work. While the grandees could swan about, preening their feathers that they were the in-set.

The alumni network is filled with the students who were teachers' pets and those who will grovel at their feet. The alumni offices are unpaid, but there is a huge scrabble for position, to sidle up that odd hierarchy. The hierarchy is bizarre. It's not really apparent how to climb it. But it's full of self-congratulation and back slapping - "We are here." as the top beans in the alumni network. Furthering yourself is solely based on finding the highest status peacock who will allow you to carry their coat tails. You must then wait for others to die to ride your way up.

Another facet is that as soon as you have no use, you become expendable. One teacher, who was one of the worst, but gave a lot of his time to raise the profile of the school and worked their all his adult life. After leaving he came back to school one day for dinner and was told he couldn't have any and had to leave.

One member of staff, who was financially important, had been offered a job by the head governor. He wanted to poach them for his own company. But when they became terminally ill he hounded them out of the school.

After I left I was given a job to do by the school, unpaid. But it was quickly taken from me, because some grandee wanted to pick their underling to do it. Their work turned out to be useless. As a way of smoothing things over I was thrown another job and was told I would be paid for it. I did it and was never paid.

I suspect your organisation will be the same. It's run by someone/people who want to be affirmed and who are obedient. You value something other than money/the company if you pick such managers.

 

[Cristiano]

I don't know how to begin the change from a Gamma male.

Edit: I have realized I have alot of the qualities mentioned above.

Especially thinking with feelings.

I want to change but not end up a beta. I have been stuck in the middle for too long.

Kindly help me.

Thank you.

Edit 2: currently definition of delta male matches with my character traits.

Delta male is a normal guy who just tries to be as successful as he can and who tries to find someone who will be able to understand him. He doesn't have the same amount of self-esteem as an Alpha male but he tries to be the best version of himself.

Does SSH stand for sister slam hands? I have been in very few fights.

 

[bucky]

I don't know how to begin the change from a Gamma male.

Edit: I have realized I have alot of the qualities mentioned above.

I want to change but not end up a beta. I have been stuck in the middle for too long.

Kindly help me.

Thank you.

I know Vox Day did a series called "graduating gamma" or something along that line. A quick google search turned up this: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/04/mailvox-graduating-gamma-extended.html. I believe he coined the term "gamma male" so that might be a good resource.

For me, I remember that I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in my early thirties and Ayn Rand says something in it to the effect that moral people are not threatened by other people's accomplishments, they celebrate them. That made a huge impression on me and helped me get over a lot of what Vox would probably have called my gamma tendencies.

One thing, in Vox's hierarchy, being a beta isn't a bad thing like the way the term was used in the old RVF forum during the PUA days. For Vox, beta means that people perceive you as alpha but you really aren't cut out for leadership. That's sort of how I see myself now.

Good luck.

 

[Kona]

At first I thought it said Dealing Wit Powerful Grammas and I was thinking "they're old ladies man relax" but then I read it again.

Aloha!

 

[Cristiano]

Kindly let me know if I sound exactly like a Gamma male if I make the following statement (to Mr Bucky):

I'm sorry,

As far as Atlas Shrugged is concerned I couldn't read a woman until I was half asleep. I used an audiobook which made me fall asleep from which I woke up abruptly just now. I'll try again today, my subconscious might have grown a liking to Eddie.

Thank you.

Addendum; 3 things I have gathered from the following rant my delta mind had yesterday:

1) I lack experience.
2) I am setting a bad example, probably.
3) I do not want to be a complacent man.

I can't help 1 & 2 right now.

From my limited reading I can see that the focus is on cultivation of moral values naturally namely honesty, trust, courage, caring, respect and fairness.


The following are not high stake real life examples where I am physically present as there I would just be completely absorbed with my own self and work, which sounds bad so the principles I seek are generally my main goal here, so these are just as important;


Let me just use the example of a video game experience to lighten the mood. I am losing interest in the same by the way.


Firstly, when in social situations where I just naturally assume the role of a leader without any rhyme or reason but because I have some experience. I don't claim explicit leadership but try to lead by example. So the team is often confused and tries to do their own thing which I encourage but there's a lack of team work due to the lack of communication. They struggle to listen to my voice which lacks authority and is rather more focused on caring and growth.


Secondly, if and when things are not going in our favour, my team starts getting nervous and gives off negative vibes. I can't abandon them. So I have to agree with them to prevent them from raging and losing their mind which would invite my own anger and negativity. So as I try to stay positive and help them mellow down I simultaneously start getting depressed and end up taking a break or in other words calling it a day.


Thus, on days I am on the other side of the grass, I am more than satisfied with our small success and give up on trying so hard and am in a relaxed state. And excited on my own success. I know now that my nervousness is lurking around at this point waiting to creep in.


Is this inevitable and I know this does get better with time but unresolved issues keep regenerating often in similar situations.


I just can't assume that voice of authority which would help things move towards progress. Because I am not satisfied with my own progress yet.


Would that come with time as I gradually improve? My lack of patience is generated from past experiences rather than future outcomes. I trust God and at the same time still am unsure of the logos which has not completely been in my favour.


I would rather let the chips fall where they may. Let someone better lead them but the discomfort in the hearts of those around me bothers me.


I just can't deal with fake confidence anymore. Is the former only the privilege of a natural alpha?

I want to welcome more new team mates.
(Edited)

Second order of business: I want to get rid of this passive aggressiveness in my voice.

Indebted.

 

[bucky]

Kindly let me know if I sound exactly like a Gamma male if I make the following statement (to Mr Bucky):

I'm sorry,

As far as Atlas Shrugged is concerned I couldn't read a woman until I was half asleep. I used an audiobook which made me fall asleep from which I woke up abruptly just now. I'll try again today, my subconscious might have grown a liking to Eddie.

Thank you.

Addendum; 3 things I have gathered from the following rant my delta mind had yesterday:

1) I lack experience.
2) I am setting a bad example, probably.
3) I do not want to be a complacent man.

I can't help 1 & 2 right now.



Second order of business: I want to get rid of this passive aggressiveness in my voice.

Indebted.

No idea, but I didn't see anything wrong with what you wrote. Rand isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I think that specific idea was good.

Maybe you're overthinking it. Maybe just identify those behaviors you see as gamma and harmful and try to do the opposite. Kind of like George Costanza in that episode of Seinfeld where he decides to always do the opposite of what his instincts tell I'm and his life immediately gets dramatically better

 

[Cristiano]

I was going to write an argument against Georgie boy but then I realized I'm just overthinking.

Thank you for your help.

 

[Magnus Stout]

In Vox’s SSH, Alphas and Sigmas (an Alpha who eschews the hierarchy) naturally understand women. The Beta is like the “wingman” for the Alpha.

Deltas are the normally-adjusted men who do the bulk of work in society. They are usually reasonably attractive, but are a bit intimidated by women who are the 9s and 10s. They also seek to bridge differences and are more pragmatic when it comes to conflict (whereas Alphas—like Trump—are obsessed with every insult and slight to their status).

How you view conflict is the essence of your SSH “rank.” So,

• Alphas are inordinately consumed by status (real & perceived slights) and must enjoy direct conflict to remain the Alpha.
• The Betas are the reliable close followers of the Alphas (think: all Vice Presidents). Their instinct to always follow the Alpha means they are good, but not great leaders themselves.
• Deltas are the workhorse of society. Most men are Deltas. A good image: Bruce Willis from Die Hard (wife-problems, hard-working cop). Hans Gruber is the Alpha & so was Takagi, Nakatomi's head executive. Perfect example of their conflict: when John McClane is pleading to save the life of the sleazy Hart Bochner over the radio; the result was the Alpha shooting Hart in the head (for the disrespect of being lied to). John’s pragmatism is the mark of someone lower on the SSH.
• Gammas are “secret kings” inordinately consumed by status (real & perceived slights) but fight as women: passive-aggressive, indirect conflict. Think: Alpha pretensions without Alpha goods (Ex: sleazy Hart Bochner). Gammas create a psychological “delusion-bubble” to reconcile their personal perception of greatness with the real-world truth that they are not. Therefore, dishonesty & fakery is the hallmark of their personality. Think: constantly quoting music or movie lines for approval; using avatars/name of great historical figures (Kings, Emperors, Philosophers, etc...).
• Omegas are the “rejects” of society. They “creep” women out.

There is no “magic bullet” to rise in the SSH except through: brutal honesty, hard work & accomplishment. Even someone like Elon Musk (very intelligent) is still not “top status” because he sought value/status through his woman (instead of the reverse): just look at the crazy weirdo he knocked up....

God created all of us with unique talents and roles to play. Envy (of another’s talents) is self-destructive. Conversely, denial of our talents is equally destructive. I’m happy to be closer to John McClane than Hans Gruber or CEO Takagi. Pray and ask God to help you find your place in society. Even the “widows mite” had great value in Jesus’ eyes.

 

[Cristiano]

I appreciate your comment and am very thankful but Mr Bucky has helped me see the error of my ways.

For the time being, the following words by Mr Aurini have given me some food for thought:

Achilles = Alpha - fights for glory

Odysseus = Beta - fights for his family

Ajax = Sigma - fights for duty

I'm tangled in all the three fights mentioned above so I am putting all my faith in the Almighty God.

Regarding women, I only need one, at a time. If I can't deal with one on one situations then I will gladly accept being called Beta. Same for fighting the World Champion, Mr Time.

I was just worried because I don't like getting fired again and again, I need the money after all. Assets versus Liability.

Regarding Gamma, seems like they like to lie, which is not one of my policies so I will have to distance myself from that.

I am going to conclude them all as made up words.

Thank you,
God bless.

"Pray and ask God to help you find your place in society."
Mr Magnus Stout.

It seems to me that we're in agreement. (Enter passive aggressive sentence.)

(Edit) Lessons:
1. Don't point your finger,
2. Don't rebel based on emotional decisions.

 

[Cristiano]

Er.. The notification said "there may be more posts after this." I figured you said that so I came up with the masterpiece above.

Thank you,
God bless.