Roosh said:
Give me serenity for that which I cannot control.
Airbnb banned my account
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Abelard Lindsey
Woodpecker
I've never used Airbnb. I've used homeaway and vrbo (which is now a part of homeaway). I recently found another called vacasa, which I think is local to the Oregon coast. I use these for holiday travel. I use conventional hotels for work travel.
Saweeep said:
It is some "database engineer" in a cubicle in Berkeley or San Mateo, in a nondescript giant Silicon Valley highrise. He or she is one of a dozen people who are making it their jobs to judge the customer's moral fitness to use their service. If you are a conservative or a woman-hater, you are OUT. This isn't even reached it pinnacle yet. It's a slowly building frenzy in the high tech world.
There wasn't even a debate on Roosh. Here's what happened: Some young angry woman stomped over with a page from his site, waved it around, showed the team, and everybody in the room yelled angrily. A few of the men secretly know that they've read and enjoyed the site, but they wouldn't admit to it or defend him a billion years because they'd instantly lose their jobs. They shut him out with a big cheer. There might even be a small bulliten board with pictures with a title like "Jerks we banned".
It's 100% women-run process and therefore, zero introspection, in fact, if you stopped in and gave them a short conference room talk on "dangers of banning" and "inclusivity" your audience would leave in the first 30 seconds. You'd see glazed mirrors instead of eyes.
These people are as brainwashed as any on the planet. Well, actually they're women. The word "brainwashed" might be an overstatement. Gotta have have a "brain" to be "brainwashed".
Abelard Lindsey
Woodpecker
Both Vacasa and Homeaway are worthy competitors to Airbnb. Neither of these have a managed account "sign up" that you use to book rentals and make payments. Homeaway has a use rating system (guests can rate rental properties and owners can rate guests on things like cleanliness and respect for properties, etc.). However, homeaway does not have a system where someone at a corporate office can deny your use of the service. Unlike Airbnb, both homeaway and vacasa operate on a more decentralized model of connecting up guests directly with property owners.
I think Homeaway and Vacasa are both better than airbnb for property owners as well. As a property owner, I think homeaway and vacasa are better for attracted higher quality guests than airbnb.
I have used Homeaway (and vrbo) for a decade and have always had positive experience with them. I have never used airbnb and see no reason to do so compared to using homeaway and vacasa. Stories such as this reinforces my desire never to use airbnb.
I think Homeaway and Vacasa are both better than airbnb for property owners as well. As a property owner, I think homeaway and vacasa are better for attracted higher quality guests than airbnb.
I have used Homeaway (and vrbo) for a decade and have always had positive experience with them. I have never used airbnb and see no reason to do so compared to using homeaway and vacasa. Stories such as this reinforces my desire never to use airbnb.
Heuristics said:
Having been on both sides of the short term rental/vacation rental equation, I've gotta say that it's possible you seek out apartments that actually allow a party, but as a warning to the rest of you out there, the default is that you are renting a space for yourself and the # of guests you list, no more. There are VERY VERY few spaces listed that allow parties or additional guests beyond what you list.
This is the single biggest issue with AirBnB and short term/vacation rentals in general.
If you want to have a party rent a fucking party space like a normal person, don't rent a place for yourself and then be shocked and angry when the owner isn't happy with you throwing a party in their space.
The unfortunate situation with Roosh is that he writes about bringing all manner of "random" guests back to the places he stays in and even if he didn't specifically write "AirBnB" with the text he essentially is admitting he is breaking the rules.
I hope this works out well for Roosh, but the rest of you should realize that if you're booking a space for yourself you are literally booking it for JUST yourself. If you have some conversation with the owner/agent or book it for 2 then you'll probably be okay, but it's totally false to think you just have the entire run of the place JUST because you paid for it. You have to look at the agreement terms just like ANY other transaction.
A hotel room or using hotelstonight or a service like that is far more appropriate if you're going to go out and try to bring girls back. Even hotels will immediately kick you out of a room you paid for with zero refund if you throw a party and then tell them "what's the problem I can do whatever I want" when the security guys show up to check out what's going on.
I'm not saying what they did to Roosh was right, but I suspect this is the reason and put this out as a fair warning to the rest of you. I also recommend some of the other platforms as they have a longer track record in many cases and they cater to more professional units/owners (AirBnB has all manner of people renting out their apartments against their leases terms and stuff like that).
Abelard Lindsey
Woodpecker
Guys, use homeaway. It does not require that you sign up for an account like airbnb does.
Alpone
Woodpecker
Unless things change fast, globocorps will start cancelling credit/debit cards for making politically incorrect comments on websites. And then your browsing history will be part of a social credit score and will be a factor in determining your credit worthiness. Eventually banks and ISPs will collude to make this happen unless regulations are passed.
"I see you visited the roosh forum in 2015. We just can't risk loaning you money for a house right now."
"I see you visited the roosh forum in 2015. We just can't risk loaning you money for a house right now."
Aurini said:
AirBnb doesn't resemble that description at all.
It's a company with a huge valuation that hasn't gone public yet. They want to steer clear of bad press under any circumstances.
If they get the slightest complaint from a guest or owner, they'll throw money at the problem until everyone is happy.
You can click a couple of buttons on the page and be talking with a human within 60 seconds.
Their service fees are very high. But those high fees also ensure that if you have any kind of customer complaint, they will make it right for you.
In my personal experience, they comped me $200 I had no right to receive, just because I asked them to.
Saweeep said:
Welcome to the modern day "1984 / Big Brother". A sad day indeed.
If AirBnb was actually a cool company, they should be doing the opposite & comping Roosh free stays (not banning him) for all the inspiration he has given some of the guys on here to travel the world in the name of getting laid & maybe even finding love. Indirectly Roosh has probably boosted the company's global bottom line over the years in some ways. Not sure how to measure it, but it's a fun thought to ponder.
Chrome
Robin
Tigre said:
PayPal also gave me $10 to sign up back in the day. Drug dealers also give children their first hit for free.
I don't think Airbnb's lax refund "policy" is indicative of its good nature or good sense.
More likely that they have a cesspool of absent and poor procedures and systems in place, and a bucket of surplus investor money to throw at problems to massage the client and customer growth statistics to justify its massive valuation so the owners can achieve their IPO exit event.
As for their human customer service, in 60 seconds you can be talking with a struggling English speaker in the Philippines or Portugal,
whichever is further, who will put you on hold while they ask a manager for what to do and then conveniently hang up on you "on accident".
That is, when Murphy's Law doesn't apply, such as when your apartment is flooded or a stranger walks in, and then the hold time is 2 hours.
Chrome said:
So what value did you add in those first three paragraphs?
Laid waste to a straw man that nobody mentioned, and then circled back to agree with what I said?
Chrome said:
Do you travel? Are you an AirBnb customer?
Can't tell at first glance if you travel or not, because, your rep points...
What happened when you talked to their support? How many times were you on the line with them?
How long were you on hold waiting to speak with a human? Since they actually call you and not the other way around.
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AIRBNB operates in places where they are forbidden. Just google places where they´re not allowed to operate. And afterwards see if they are offering houses there.
Because they are operating under the law in many cases. Like most of this burning cash startups. They need to appease the elite and also keep a low profile. Anything which can bring a spotlight on them is frown upon. They also have the hotel lobby on their back.
Their customer service is shit.
About refunds it´s not BNB who pays them. It´s the hosts. Because they have no entry barriers the supply of hosts allows them to give reason to guests. There are websites dedicated to scam hosts through BNb policy.
Besides pro bono you can hire lawyers quota litis. Basically the lawyer takes care of everything and later instead of receiving legal fees he receives a part of the compensation for damages. You contact the lawyer and say here´s what happened I will give you x% of the compensation but you cover all costs. This might be illegal in some places. So check jurisdiction. You can also do a quota palmaris. Give a bit and rest as compensation. I´ve just hired a lawyer quota litis to collect a debt.
Just guessing and now I´m speculating and have no idea if this is one of the reasons. I would guess BNB is afraid of you using one of their houses to do a meeting.
As a consequence of BNB ban you have been constraint, even though in a minor fashion, on your freedom of movement.
Because they are operating under the law in many cases. Like most of this burning cash startups. They need to appease the elite and also keep a low profile. Anything which can bring a spotlight on them is frown upon. They also have the hotel lobby on their back.
Their customer service is shit.
About refunds it´s not BNB who pays them. It´s the hosts. Because they have no entry barriers the supply of hosts allows them to give reason to guests. There are websites dedicated to scam hosts through BNb policy.
Besides pro bono you can hire lawyers quota litis. Basically the lawyer takes care of everything and later instead of receiving legal fees he receives a part of the compensation for damages. You contact the lawyer and say here´s what happened I will give you x% of the compensation but you cover all costs. This might be illegal in some places. So check jurisdiction. You can also do a quota palmaris. Give a bit and rest as compensation. I´ve just hired a lawyer quota litis to collect a debt.
Just guessing and now I´m speculating and have no idea if this is one of the reasons. I would guess BNB is afraid of you using one of their houses to do a meeting.
As a consequence of BNB ban you have been constraint, even though in a minor fashion, on your freedom of movement.
Chrome
Robin
Tigre said:
Just pointing out that Airbnb does not deserve to be portrayed in a positive light. As fantome said, "Their customer service is shit."
Tigre said:
Yes I travel, internationally, extensively. I am not an Airbnb customer out of principle and prefer to stay in hotels.
However, I am familiar with the vacation rental business, including Airbnb as both an owner and a guest.
I have several examples of Airbnb customer service encounters but can't share them specifically. It should be noted that not in all cases does Airbnb call you, but I do know that they may call you back upon request. This may vary by country.
Tigre said:
AirBNB is dependent on having investor money to burn. Their high valuation is largely a result of having needed to take on lots of money to keep operating, and that is the sole reason for their valuation. This keeps happening until they go public (Like twitter, the investors who can dump stock in the IPO and then its on whatever portion of the public to eat the toxic securities) or they collapse.
Consider Twitter's attitude to users (big freedom) versus twitter's attitude after (big censorship).
As convenient as AirBNB overextends themselves to be, their only net effect now and into the future is keeping less evil competitors from taking off through their cash burning.
Absolutely disgusting. What's next, banning Roosh from Target? Amtrak? Hospitals? If I can ever book something in your name, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Most tech companies are like that now. I think their long term plan is the "too big to fail". When tech stocks start crashing down to $0 the mainstream public will be begging the government to bail them out or nationalize them. After all I know a ton of people who'ld have a nervous breakdown if Google Map and YouTube and Facebook stopped working all of the sudden.