Alec Baldwin accidentally kills one person on movie set

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This Reed woman, really a child for her age, appears utterly deranged:



Anyone able to find any more of these weird videos?

Seems like the perfect nexus of a nepotism (industry famous father who actually seems gun-competent), gender and diversity (Hispanic mother who may not even speak Spanish?) hire. They’ve all collided to wreak havoc here.

Interesting to note as well that Halyna Hutchins was on some sort of “women in cinematography” fast track. Was she as good as people said? Maybe, but I have my doubts. She comes across as inexperienced, despite being 42, and this inexperience may have led to Reed, Baldwin and the guy who handed Baldwin the gun ending her life.

Unless Baldwin somehow pointed the gun at her with no warning or consent, it is really rather ridiculous that Hutchins would have allowed him to aim or hold it anywhere near her without witnessing firsthand that the gun was unloaded/safe, whether through a visual check and/or firing cautiously to the ground.

Supposedly Hutchins was protesting safety conditions on-set, yet she responded by continuing to film after much of the crew had walked off. It undermines her argument, whatever pressures she felt to continue.

It gets worse:

‘Rust’ armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed once gave unchecked gun to 11-year-old actor: report
https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-once-gave-unchecked-gun-to-child-actor/
The “inexperienced” armorer in charge of weapons on set of Alec Baldwin’s movie “Rust” had given a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking properly for safety, a report said.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, daughter of prominent Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was head armorer on set in Santa Fe where Baldwin fired a prop gun loaded with a live round, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.

Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged misstep happened on the set of the upcoming Nicholas Cage film, “The Old Way” and temporarily halted filming, sources told The Daily Beast.
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renotime

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El Draque said:
I truly dont understand why people care about this. People die in industrial accidents every day, but because it involves a Telivision Man, people are all over it.
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It's pretty rare for a known actor to kill someone on set. In fact it might be the first time it's ever happened.
 
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Pretty in depth article on how guns are supposed to be used on sets. Seems like they broke a lot of safety protocols and it cost them dearly. The armorer deserves to go to jail, but since she's a woman she'll probably get probation.

variety.com

‘Rust’ Tragedy Shakes Armorers and Propmasters: ‘It’s My Job to Make Sure Nobody Gets Hurt’

Film and TV propmasters — and in particular, the armorers who handle on-set guns and other weapons — remain stunned and baffled by what happened on the Santa Fe set of “Rust,” leading to the death …
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Corrie noted that the procedure for firearms on set is that normally an actor, until action, will be holding a stunt gun, one that cannot fire and is not made to fire, and cannot in any way be made to fire without severe modification. “At the moment that they’re about to shoot, the director will call cut, and then that stunt gun will be taken from them and an armorer will hand them a loaded gun loaded with blanks, and then they will begin filming again. The actor will shoot the firearm, director will say cut when that scene is done, and then that firearm is immediately taken from them by the armorer. This is a safety procedure that’s been in place for a very long time, and ideally if that happens then everything remains safe. The weapon is very strictly controlled and there are no accidents.”
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Merrick said trained armorers teach the “three golden rules” of gun handling, and it’s the same on a range as it is on a movie set: “You always treat a gun as if it’s loaded. You never point a gun at another person, and you always keep your finger off the trigger until you’re absolutely ready to fire. In a scene like happened in New Mexico, I can’t speak to all of it until the investigation comes through. But what’s evident is that a gun was pointed at a person and the trigger was pulled. And there was somehow a live round involved in the filming, which should never happen.”
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Caduceus

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Jesu Juva said:
Probably will be ruled an accident or something like that. The man is horrible, but I feel sorry for him. If you kill someone like that, that must feel horrible. That is something I can't make fun of, what a stupid way to die, must feel surreal for the family.
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Many people who are convicted for manslaughter killed someone by accident as well.
The official term is "involuntary manslaughter".
People convicted of it often do some prison time regardless.
 
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When I heard about this sad story, I thought, Hey maybe the Armorer was a diversity-hiring chick with bright blue hair and nose piercings. Well, indeed, here she is, but green was the color, not blue... Clown world never disappoints... This chick reminds me, by the way, of the young woman who was put in charge, for the first time ever, of the ammunition inside the submarine ARA. Well, there was a big explosion underwater and the submarine was no more, a 'mysterious' case never fully explained.

So, anyway, of course the stupid green-hair chick deserves one year in jail for her criminal stupidity and disastrous lack of professionalism.

But so does Alec Leftist Baldwin.

Because of course, immature Baldwin should have double checked the gun himself before shooting it "in jest" at someone. It would have taken ten or twelve seconds of his time. But, no, the man is too lazy.

By the way, the written rules of his profession, clearly state that Baldwin should have double checked after the Armorer. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, "Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside."

So Baldwin cannot say it's all the tattooed chick's fault, it's also his own fault. He was lazy, complacent, unprofessional, reckless. One year in jail he should receive, for manslaughter, and the green-hair chick, one year for criminal endangerment or gross negligence of duty.
 
Don Quixote

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Sosa said:
Coincidence?



Shooting also occurred during the full "Hunter Moon" (October's full moon)
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That's a good point, why would there even be real bullets on set? Makes no sense. Reality and fiction are beginning to blur and collapse into one another. There is very little distinction anymore. Everything we see can be theater.

I'm pretty sure some actors are intelligence assets whether they know it or not. I think scientology is likely a front for the CIA in some respects. I have no proof of this I just assume lol.
 
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Laner

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Jesu Juva said:
But I don't blame Baldwin, but the armorer. But he is among the producers or executive producers, so he can get blamed for hiring her.
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Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is absolutely manslaughter.

Even if the gun has been deemed 'safe', there are still the other protocols that must be adhered to by whoever picks up that gun.

If the armorer deemed it safe and Baldwin picks it up, it is his duty to follow the same procedure to ensure the weapon is safe. Especially if he feels the need to point it at the production team, and then pull the trigger.
 
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Laner said:
Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is absolutely manslaughter.

Even if the gun has been deemed 'safe', there are still the other protocols that must be adhered to by whoever picks up that gun.

If the armorer deemed it safe and Baldwin picks it up, it is his duty to follow the same procedure to ensure the weapon is safe. Especially if he feels the need to point it at the production team, and then pull the trigger.
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I would like to know how common or uncommon it is to violate the protocols on movie sets. If it is common, it would not make his behaviour right. If it is uncommon, I would see his actions more critical.
 
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GuitarVH said:
Maybe. Just trying to picture what happened and wonder if we'll actually find out. No doubt there were many witnesses on the set who saw what went down.
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No doubt, but it's going to be a Rashomon type of scenario since they're all going to spin different stories to avoid culpability yet protect the ideologies that define their professions.
 
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