Aliens (Special Edition)

Nordwand

Pelican
Other Christian
Flicking through the channels on Sky last night, and Sky Sci Fi/Horror was showing the above. Where there is normally a short description of the movie, instead you had a warning that the film contained language, attitudes and cultural representations that might be found offensive today.

This just gets worse by the day. Meanwhile, here are the complete, uncut, scenes involving the robot sentries:

 

Renzy

Pelican
Catholic
I picked up a cheap bluray copy of the film the other day to file away. With all these films being suctioned into Disney+ streaming vortex, it's nice to have a physical disc. I think either this or The Terminator is my favorite Cameron film, very well structured sci-fi action from the 80's.

Sort of a side note wrt your comment about having a physical disc, but I watched Return of the Jedi the other day (streaming) and noticed they had altered one of the scenes at the end. It's where Luke sees his father Annakin as a ghost - they had replaced the original actor with Hayden Christensen.

It actually made me realize one benefit of DVDs is they can't go back and retroactively change parts of movies as easily as they can with streaming movies. The paranoid part of me wonders if at some point they'll start doing this sort of retroactive editing to books, but for political reasons. Like the way they want to removed Trump's scene from Home Alone...
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Other Christian
Flicking through the channels on Sky last night, and Sky Sci Fi/Horror was showing the above. Where there is normally a short description of the movie, instead you had a warning that the film contained language, attitudes and cultural representations that might be found offensive today.

This just gets worse by the day. Meanwhile, here are the complete, uncut, scenes involving the robot sentries:



This little scene, with a romantic moment between Hicks and Ripley, might be triggering to today`s audience! Even though Ripley is an unrealistically strong woman, there is some femininity and gender polarity as well as a strong maternal instinct there. Can`t have any of that anymore. It`s Gale Ann Hurd and not James Cameron that has pushed the strong woman thing throughout all his films. But Ripley is a great character, much because she is frail and vulnerable, yet overcomes these natural traits. A lot to learn there for modern day filmmakers.

 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Aliens also had the first appearance of the butch strong independent lesboish womyn character on a major film, private Vasquez:

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Towgunner

Kingfisher
I didn't really notice the gender diversity of Aliens at first. We forget how scary this movie was. Of course, if you're like me and have watched it for >10,000 times its not really scary any longer. The scary took the wind our of the sails for the diversity schtick. cameron did include women into the Marines because he was trying to be an sjw. That said, this story is more of a tale of two mom's. Riley for Newt versus the Queen and her aliens. Ripley is a more than tolerable character because she is driven by her maternal instincts. She's just an ordinary person reacting to incredible circumstances. By contrast, today's heroine's are obnoxious.
 

The Penitent Man

Kingfisher
Protestant
Sort of a side note wrt your comment about having a physical disc, but I watched Return of the Jedi the other day (streaming) and noticed they had altered one of the scenes at the end. It's where Luke sees his father Annakin as a ghost - they had replaced the original actor with Hayden Christensen.

It actually made me realize one benefit of DVDs is they can't go back and retroactively change parts of movies as easily as they can with streaming movies. The paranoid part of me wonders if at some point they'll start doing this sort of retroactive editing to books, but for political reasons. Like the way they want to removed Trump's scene from Home Alone...

They messed up the Star Wars series DVD’s long before streaming. George Lucas rereleased those movies with altered scenes in the theaters in the late 90s I believe. Some of the action scenes were spiffed up with computer editing but there were entirely new scenes that were absolute crap.

They stuck in a scene in A New Hope where Han Solo steps on Jabba’s tail that was horribly corny. The CGI looked like a high schooler made it for a class project. But what was unforgivable was that they replaced the Return of the Jedi scene in Jabba’s palace where the band was playing, shortly before that chick got fed to the monster in the pit. They changed the song to a different tune to appease children and then added a CGI muppet singer.

The worst part of it is, you can’t buy the original movies as they were released. I think they sold some special “Gold” editions when they first converted to DVD. But unless you have one of those or a videotape, we’re stuck with the preschool editions.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
I'm more concerned about the real aliens who have invaded our country.

That's a MUCH scarier movie plot! :)

It's also a bit like the scenario of They Live, where aliens that pass as locals have taken over the mass media and churches, programming the masses with their indoctrination, with a large part of them living in poverty. It turned out to be the ultimate conspiracy film...

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Renzy

Pelican
Catholic
The worst part of it is, you can’t buy the original movies as they were released. I think they sold some special “Gold” editions when they first converted to DVD. But unless you have one of those or a videotape, we’re stuck with the preschool editions.

I hate when they do that and had the same issue with Last of the Mohicans. The version I saw in the movie theater when it came out, and that I had on VHS, is not the same one you get on DVD these days, at least in the US. Some of the scenes had been changed and so had the music.
 

andy dufresne

Pelican
Other Christian
Flicking through the channels on Sky last night, and Sky Sci Fi/Horror was showing the above. Where there is normally a short description of the movie, instead you had a warning that the film contained language, attitudes and cultural representations that might be found offensive today.

This just gets worse by the day. Meanwhile, here are the complete, uncut, scenes involving the robot sentries:


The whole movie is predicated on Ripleys maternal instinct towards Newt so of course it's trash by todays standards.

And of course there isn't a scene where a human male breastfeeds an alien baby. Gotta make sure we have one of those. Game over man....GAME OVER!
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Aliens reveals some important things as it relates to art and politics. Cameron was outspoken on promoting women and has since casted many female heroines. I think its consistent because feminism really took hold in the 1970s. Cameron, like every other hollywood goon, echoed this movement in his art. He's not the only one, many other directors did as well. Its not rocket science all they did was switch the male hero for a female. The feminists of that time called it "role reversal". Aliens was produced in the mid-1980s. So, I find it interesting they had this feminist agenda already laid out. Heck, how many of you recall Cpl Dietrick? She passes as a lesbo bull dyke, but, fits the a non-conforming cross dresser to a "t". How about that...1986 "trans" "gender"ism? In fact a couple short years later during the GOP convention, Pat Buchannan highlighted many of the issues we're dealing with right now, from family dissolution to females in combat arms. The movie is aptly labeled science fiction, for it is fiction and so are Cameron's ideals about female equity to males.

To wit, we can ascertain a few things, namely, where this push of females in combat came from. As we can see, this is more of a social phenomenon and even still not a very mysterious one. First, it was top - down. It was due to a confluence of Cameron-type artists that help promote certain feminists ideals, women in combat being one of them. What's relevant is that this vision, if you will, never came from the rank and file military. It also never came from the people. And that is telling. Rather it came elsewhere and from small pockets of society that are more aligned with fantasy than reality i.e. artists and academics. The military, on the other hand, has no other choice but to operate according to reality.

Females being exactly the same as males is itself a fantasy. If women were really needed and were equal to men in war then women would have already been integrated into combat arms eons ago. The current inclusive policies with women and combat arms owes itself very much to these fringes artists.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Agnostic
Gold Member
That's a MUCH scarier movie plot! :)

It's also a bit like the scenario of They Live, where aliens that pass as locals have taken over the mass media and churches, programming the masses with their indoctrination, with a large part of them living in poverty. It turned out to be the ultimate conspiracy film...

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Just change the name to (((They))) Live and it’s the perfect conspiracy film
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
Sort of a side note wrt your comment about having a physical disc, but I watched Return of the Jedi the other day (streaming) and noticed they had altered one of the scenes at the end. It's where Luke sees his father Annakin as a ghost - they had replaced the original actor with Hayden Christensen.

It actually made me realize one benefit of DVDs is they can't go back and retroactively change parts of movies as easily as they can with streaming movies. The paranoid part of me wonders if at some point they'll start doing this sort of retroactive editing to books, but for political reasons. Like the way they want to removed Trump's scene from Home Alone...
Was said earlier, but I'll underline the earlier comment - Star Wars has been getting screwed with for multiple years. George Lucas might have been a talented man at his peak, but he doesn't respect his fans, and is trying to make his "perfect version" of the trilogy the one everyone remembers.

In the early 2000s (I forget which exact release?) there was a release of the Star Wars trilogy that had a second disc with each individual DVD release - and on that second disc was the original, unedited film. (Disc 1 is whatever the current version of Lucas's Special Edition trilogy was - he seems to make a new edit to them every couple of years.) The unaltered films on Disc 2 are imperfect Laserdisc transfers, but they're the original movies I saw on USA and TNT growing up.

The DVD releases aren't particularly expensive right now - they tend to hover around 30 dollars each on eBay. (I lucked out and got widescreen releases of Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back for a total of maybe 12 bucks at a secondhand media exchange place. Return of the Jedi, same widescreen release, was about 35 bucks in an online auction.)

I'm happy I own them, but my brother borrowed them and then never gave them back. I should call him and ask.
 
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stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
People still buy DVDs? Have you ever used bit torrents?
I like collecting physical media (DVDs, CDs, books, LP records). Having a file is all well and good (especially if it's a movie that hasn't made it onto DVD) but I don't feel secure enough having the media on a hard drive that could lose the files in an unintentional delete, or a malfunction of the hard drive itself. Both have happened to me.

Some releases of a movie are also obscure enough where you need the DVD, because it's going to be hard to find a torrent of it in general.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Good point, but what about the fragility of the CD/DVD format as far as long-term preservation? I don't feel as comfortable investing $20 into a piece of plastic that might deteriorate in a few decades. Part of the reason the vinyl market is making a comeback.
 
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