Alternatives to bitcoin

JayJuanGee

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I kind of question whether there is any merit to give any recognition to recent articles that more or less describe the impending doom of ETC and the considerable upside potential of ETH.

Even though I do not really believe in either coins, my assessment tends towards the opposite, at least in terms that ETC seems to be a better value because in the longer run, the two are likely going to approach parity in pricing... yet how long will it take for such parity to occur is beyond any kind of insight that I have.


ETH pump article 1)

https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-eth-and-etc-price-trends-week-of-september-19th


ETH pump article 2)

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/09/20/ethereum-classic-price-technical-analysis-etc-breaks/
 

JayJuanGee

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It is interesting to see the Ethereum price sustaining a certain level of being propped up... even while there has been a couple of weeks worth of ongoing DDOS attacks towards the Ethereum network, as described in the below article from yesterday.

http://www.coindesk.com/so-ethereums-blockchain-is-still-under-attack/

Further, in the past several weeks, maybe even going on a couple of months, now, ETC prices are kind of trickling down.. for the time being, continuing to slowly lose value relative to ETH
 

AGuy14

Chicken
Anyone else into Burstcoin (BURST)? I've dabbled in Bitcoin, ETH and DASH but recently found BURST. I think it has big time potential. Check it out here - http://www.burst-team.us/

The thing that makes BURST unique is that you can mine it very efficiently. Unlike Bitcoin and others that take a ton of computer power and resources (the little guy can no longer mine Bitcoin) with BURST you simply mine with free hard drive space. You have to plot your hard drive space (which can take some time) and the more space you have the better obviously. But once that's done the cost to mine is essentially the cost of electricity of having your computer on. You literally can mine in the background while using your computer on regular tasks. In fact I'm mining right now...

They are also close to launching a way to mine on your android smart phone. I don't think the word is out on this coin yet and just think it has A LOT of upside.
 

Satoshi

 
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booshala said:
Just two days into general release and Zcash is blowing up: http://www.coindesk.com/what-is-the-value-zcash-market-searches-answers/

Pretty crazy speculation going on with this new cryptocurrency as the swings are all over the place. Still can't believe that 1 unit of Zcash is more highly valued than 1 BTC, the "gold standard" of cryptos... I'm going to be watching from the sidelines and see what happens.

How many Zcash units in total? Bitcoin is 22 millions isn't it. Oh the answer is in the article... "Zchain suggests just under 3,000 ZEC are currently in circulation".
 

booshala

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Satoshi said:
booshala said:
Just two days into general release and Zcash is blowing up: http://www.coindesk.com/what-is-the-value-zcash-market-searches-answers/

Pretty crazy speculation going on with this new cryptocurrency as the swings are all over the place. Still can't believe that 1 unit of Zcash is more highly valued than 1 BTC, the "gold standard" of cryptos... I'm going to be watching from the sidelines and see what happens.

How many Zcash units in total? Bitcoin is 22 millions isn't it. Oh the answer is in the article... "Zchain suggests just under 3,000 ZEC are currently in circulation".

Yeah, according to the FAQ it's going to be the same as BTC (21m) but they're just starting. "Founders reward" is 10% within the first 4 years but it seems fair to me given the investment/work they put into it. Looked up how many Satoshi Nakamura has and they're estimating 1-1.5M BTC which is roughly comparable.
 

Satoshi

 
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booshala said:
Satoshi said:
booshala said:
Just two days into general release and Zcash is blowing up: http://www.coindesk.com/what-is-the-value-zcash-market-searches-answers/

Pretty crazy speculation going on with this new cryptocurrency as the swings are all over the place. Still can't believe that 1 unit of Zcash is more highly valued than 1 BTC, the "gold standard" of cryptos... I'm going to be watching from the sidelines and see what happens.

How many Zcash units in total? Bitcoin is 22 millions isn't it. Oh the answer is in the article... "Zchain suggests just under 3,000 ZEC are currently in circulation".

Yeah, according to the FAQ it's going to be the same as BTC (21m) but they're just starting. "Founders reward" is 10% within the first 4 years but it seems fair to me given the investment/work they put into it. Looked up how many Satoshi Nakamura has and they're estimating 1-1.5M BTC which is roughly comparable.

So 3000 out of 21m are mined and those 3000 are valued at $1000+? Looks sustainable. Actually Il Bersagliere posted about Zcash along time ago in the bitcoin thread, wonder if he made anything in this bubble.
 

booshala

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Satoshi said:
booshala said:
Satoshi said:
booshala said:
Just two days into general release and Zcash is blowing up: http://www.coindesk.com/what-is-the-value-zcash-market-searches-answers/

Pretty crazy speculation going on with this new cryptocurrency as the swings are all over the place. Still can't believe that 1 unit of Zcash is more highly valued than 1 BTC, the "gold standard" of cryptos... I'm going to be watching from the sidelines and see what happens.

How many Zcash units in total? Bitcoin is 22 millions isn't it. Oh the answer is in the article... "Zchain suggests just under 3,000 ZEC are currently in circulation".

Yeah, according to the FAQ it's going to be the same as BTC (21m) but they're just starting. "Founders reward" is 10% within the first 4 years but it seems fair to me given the investment/work they put into it. Looked up how many Satoshi Nakamura has and they're estimating 1-1.5M BTC which is roughly comparable.

So 3000 out of 21m are mined and those 3000 are valued at $1000+? Looks sustainable. Actually Il Bersagliere posted about Zcash along time ago in the bitcoin thread, wonder if he made anything in this bubble.

I tried a forum search and the search "z cash" or "zcash" is only mentioned twice: once in Nasa Test Pilot's poll and once in this thread by you and me... but if he somehow got in early, I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank right now.
 

JayJuanGee

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pants said:
Zcash, might be legit, but seems to be a lot of sceptisism on bitcoin talk.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is some inside trading. Just trying to pump the price up to generate more hype. the limited volume might make it possible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.600


Zcash has had quite a ride in the past few weeks to go from an opening price of about 1.2BTC per Zcash, and then to have a short period within a day or so of some folks trading Zcash for more than 2,000 BTC per Zcash, and currently, Zcash is trading for less than .3 BTC per coin. Wow!!!! Amazing pump and dump numbers.
 

JayJuanGee

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JayJuanGee said:
pants said:
Zcash, might be legit, but seems to be a lot of sceptisism on bitcoin talk.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is some inside trading. Just trying to pump the price up to generate more hype. the limited volume might make it possible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.600


Zcash has had quite a ride in the past few weeks to go from an opening price of about 1.2BTC per Zcash, and then to have a short period within a day or so of some folks trading Zcash for more than 2,000 BTC per Zcash, and currently, Zcash is trading for less than .3 BTC per coin. Wow!!!! Amazing pump and dump numbers.


I guess that I am making a bit of a cross post here, just in case guys look at the alt coin thread but not the bitcoin thread.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21537-post-1444905.html#pid1444905

I have historically held a few alt coins, but largely, I have remained really skeptical of them..

Currently, I am still holding some ETC (I think that I held it and have been buying on the way down since about July/August 2016), and I was thinking there could be some short-term movement towards parity with ETH - but really ETH/ETC seems to continue to have about a 10/1 disparity... so, it is quite possible that my relatively small investment into ETC could turn out to be a loser... since they seem to be both going down together...

And, really it remains quite surprising that ETH has been able to continue a kind of market cap in the $700 million to $1.2 billion range for as long as it has. Given some of the latest developments in ETH, it seems likely to settle down into the $100million to $400 million range, and even those kinds of numbers are probably too much - yet if Ripple has been able to maintain those kinds of numbers, then probably ETH should be able to, too, no?
 

JayJuanGee

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andrewsr.sheila said:
Move over, Bitcoin. The world of virtual currencies is getting crowded with altcoins.

These days, there are about 20 types of cryptocurrency that sell for more than $1, according to CoinMarketCap.com. Even more are in penny-stock range.

Here are 12 cryptocurrency alternatives to Bitcoin. Prices and market capitalization of altcoins are based on data from CoinMarketCap.com on Feb. 28, 2014, and not all are in the top 10 by either measure.



Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/inv...-alternatives-to-bitcoin-1.aspx#ixzz4Q3ubEocq
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I don't know if it matters too much regarding supposed crowded nature of alternative cryptos - especially if they provide some kind of value or innovation then it would not matter if there are a lot of them, and really, providing data that is based on a February 2014 prices is going to be ancient news in the world of crypto currencies. Lot's of stuff has gone on in cryptolandia since February 2014 - both in bitcoin and also in various crypto currencies.

In other words, if you attempt to make assessments of alternative currencies by either a blanket search on the internet or older news, you are going to be considerably mislead.

By the way, a few days ago, Zcash was mid $200s per coin, and a bit more than a week ago, it was running around $1,000 per coin. Remember also that some zcash coins sold for more than $100k per coin.. outrageous pumping and dumping.

Also, a couple weeks ago there were only a couple thousand zcash coins in circulation. Today, coinmarketcap shows that there is about 34,000 zcash coins currently in circulation.
 

Satoshi

 
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JayJuanGee said:
andrewsr.sheila said:
Move over, Bitcoin. The world of virtual currencies is getting crowded with altcoins.

These days, there are about 20 types of cryptocurrency that sell for more than $1, according to CoinMarketCap.com. Even more are in penny-stock range.

Here are 12 cryptocurrency alternatives to Bitcoin. Prices and market capitalization of altcoins are based on data from CoinMarketCap.com on Feb. 28, 2014, and not all are in the top 10 by either measure.



Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/inv...-alternatives-to-bitcoin-1.aspx#ixzz4Q3ubEocq
Follow us: @Bankrate on Twitter | Bankrate on Facebook

I don't know if it matters too much regarding supposed crowded nature of alternative cryptos - especially if they provide some kind of value or innovation then it would not matter if there are a lot of them, and really, providing data that is based on a February 2014 prices is going to be ancient news in the world of crypto currencies. Lot's of stuff has gone on in cryptolandia since February 2014 - both in bitcoin and also in various crypto currencies.

In other words, if you attempt to make assessments of alternative currencies by either a blanket search on the internet or older news, you are going to be considerably mislead.

By the way, a few days ago, Zcash was mid $200s per coin, and a bit more than a week ago, it was running around $1,000 per coin. Remember also that some zcash coins sold for more than $100k per coin.. outrageous pumping and dumping.

Also, a couple weeks ago there were only a couple thousand zcash coins in circulation. Today, coinmarketcap shows that there is about 34,000 zcash coins currently in circulation.

Is andrewsr.sheila your shill account JJG? So you can have someone to talk to. :angel:
 

JayJuanGee

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Satoshi said:
JayJuanGee said:
andrewsr.sheila said:
Move over, Bitcoin. The world of virtual currencies is getting crowded with altcoins.

These days, there are about 20 types of cryptocurrency that sell for more than $1, according to CoinMarketCap.com. Even more are in penny-stock range.

Here are 12 cryptocurrency alternatives to Bitcoin. Prices and market capitalization of altcoins are based on data from CoinMarketCap.com on Feb. 28, 2014, and not all are in the top 10 by either measure.



Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/inv...-alternatives-to-bitcoin-1.aspx#ixzz4Q3ubEocq
Follow us: @Bankrate on Twitter | Bankrate on Facebook

I don't know if it matters too much regarding supposed crowded nature of alternative cryptos - especially if they provide some kind of value or innovation then it would not matter if there are a lot of them, and really, providing data that is based on a February 2014 prices is going to be ancient news in the world of crypto currencies. Lot's of stuff has gone on in cryptolandia since February 2014 - both in bitcoin and also in various crypto currencies.

In other words, if you attempt to make assessments of alternative currencies by either a blanket search on the internet or older news, you are going to be considerably mislead.

By the way, a few days ago, Zcash was mid $200s per coin, and a bit more than a week ago, it was running around $1,000 per coin. Remember also that some zcash coins sold for more than $100k per coin.. outrageous pumping and dumping.

Also, a couple weeks ago there were only a couple thousand zcash coins in circulation. Today, coinmarketcap shows that there is about 34,000 zcash coins currently in circulation.

Is andrewsr.sheila your shill account JJG? So you can have someone to talk to. :angel:


Once in a while, I begin to believe that there could be a possibility that you, Satoshi, are recovering from your tendencies to post nonsensical trolling and distracting comments, yet those kind of short-term beliefs are quickly evaporated when I open up and read the mostly non-substantive content of your posts.

For example, this alt coin thread could serve as an opportunity for you to share some of your ideas about various alt coins (including ones that you have claimed to be "in" in the past and ones that you may consider as potentials in the present/future, but yeah, you probably don't really want to share too many altcoin ideas because likely even you realize that such a large majority of the altcoins are really trash or at least considerable risk if you attempt to invest in any kind of long-term way - especially, as compared with bitcoin. And, also you don't really seem to be into providing any genuine suggestions on alt coins because even you realize that there is a lot of bullshit altcoin propaganda out their and you become much more likely to be wrong than right (unless you are an altcoin front runner or founder) when you attempt to predict an altcoin pump/dump.

Being involved in bitcoin and continuing to read quite a bit about bitcoin has kind of forced me to learn more and more about various alt cryptos. Sometimes, they can be quite misleading and even intriguing, yet from time to time, I do attempt to hold myself out in my various positions concerning some alt coins, and I have been attempting to take various snapshot positions, and even to evolve my thinking from time to time regarding some alt coin considerations to attempt to contribute some analysis to the discussion... but yeah, there are so many alt coins that it is very difficult to monitor very many of them.

I think that a few years ago, I thought that there could be some ways to incorporate other cryptos into a longer term investment plan, besides bitcoin, but it really seems to continue to be a risky strategy to make any of those kinds of attempts to incorporate any altcoins, especially longer term.

You, Satoshi, seem to be of a quite differing view from me, and nothing wrong with that, but in essence, you had removed all of your investment in bitcoin with some kind of faith that one or more other crypto coins were going to become bitcoin 2.0.. or at least that bitcoin was pretty much set to fail.

Even though you did not have much substance in your "bitcoin is dead" assertions, you made a quite a few of those kinds of assertions.. and you still seem to fail and refuse to recognize a large amount of the material, relevant, and seemingly ongoing superiority of bitcoin, no? And, you want to battle about it, without really having much proof or logic in your battle, beyond various kinds of alt coin pumping talking points.

You got any substantive claims that you want to make, Satoshi?, and even better would be if you had facts and/or logic to back up any such substantive claims?
 

Satoshi

 
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JayJuanGee said:
You got any substantive claims that you want to make, Satoshi?, and even better would be if you had facts and/or logic to back up any such substantive claims?

I don't know, I just asked you a question.
 

booshala

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Satoshi said:
JayJuanGee said:
You got any substantive claims that you want to make, Satoshi?, and even better would be if you had facts and/or logic to back up any such substantive claims?

I don't know, I just asked you a question.

I just thought you found it funny getting a rise out of him, I know I laugh every time you do... 38:1 ratio of words in his reply to your question, guess he doubled down on his anti-brevity stance.
 

JayJuanGee

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I personally consider the information contained in the below thread a kind of nonsensical desperation, in attempt to describe some kind of value in Ethereum.


http://bitcoinist.net/ethereum-outperform-bitcoin/


Sure there could be an end of the year pump of ethereum, but it seems to remain a pretty risky bet, especially when comparing ethereum to bitcoin fundamentals.

Surely, so far, overall bitcoin has done pretty good over the entirety of 2016, currently floating in the lower to mid $700s, after having had come up from the upper $300s to lower $400s range in the beginning of the year, but I doubt that bitcoin is as overly inflated as the article attempts to suggest... and I doubt that ethereum has as many bullish fundamentals as the article seems to assert.
 

JayJuanGee

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This below linked article suggests that Ethereum's recent price drop could be due to stolen coins, and that could be true... but I am thinking that Ethereum has kind of been in for a drop, and any excuse would be sufficient when confidence in Ethereum is likely dropping anyhow.


http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/12/06/eth-rep-crash-hard-amid-ciruclating-rumors-bo-shen-funds-stolen/

By the way, I had been thinking that ETC was going to hold a bit better of its own against ETH, and in recent months sure both ETH and ETC have been dropping in value (and maybe even partly due to rising BTC prices) - however, in the past several days, ETC has been holding its own a bit better to ETC and even rose a tiny bit while ETH has dropped considerably.
 

ElChacal

Chicken
I have like $3k worth of Monero that I bought some months ago for only $1k. The price is still very cheap IMO and I'm not a big fan of alt-coins in fact I only believe in Bitcoin and maybe Monero since they are the only cryptos accepted in the darknet markets
 
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