Altright.com domain seized by Go Daddy

Suits

 
MMX2010 said:
You said that, (paraphrasing), "When a company hosts a website, all information on that website is stored on company servers. Because the hosting company owns those servers, then the hosting company owns the data on those servers. And you (direct quote here) don't see anything in there limiting the right of property owners to determine what their property is used for."

Negative. You have misunderstood my statement and incorrectly paraphrased my words.
 

Suits

 
MMX2010 said:
Suits said:
Negative. You have misunderstood my statement and incorrectly paraphrased my words.

And you're NOT offering a re- wording of your words, so that this misunderstanding stops...because?

Because my statement is still easily accessible on page one of this thread in simple, easy to understand English.

If English is a language you struggle with, feel free to PM me and I'll help you better comprehend the statements that you currently don't understand.

But there's no need to further derail this thread.
 

Glaucon

Ostrich
Gold Member
It is really not hard to setup a home server Roosh. I and many others from the forum can help. I am thinking ti setup my own email server for my family, fuck gmail and all others.
 

Malone

Pelican
Gold Member
The problem isn't hosting, it's domain registration. They seized the domain name, not the site itself.

Hosting is everywhere. You can get hosting that doesn't give a shit about what's on your site (within legal limits).

However, since domain names are increasingly centralized you're going to have to move to one of the non-converged TLDs. I guess .name is one of them.
 

Tiger Man

Woodpecker
Suits said:
I read a few news articles, but saw no evidence that GoDaddy had specifically seized the altright.com domain.

According to one source, the registrar of the domain was given 48 hours to transfer the domain to a different host.

But on Thursday, domain registrar GoDaddy finally pulled the plug on AltRight.com, giving Spencer’s website 48 hours to transfer its domain to another web host or lose it.

I'm not knowledgeable enough about domain registrations to understand what would happen if the 48 hours expired without the domain name being successfully transferred to a different host. Would it then become Godaddy's domain or would it just become unregistered?

Considering it is GoDaddy, and they have a bad reputation with domain name transfers, I don't know. Generally speaking, they should release the name back to the general registrar and then, within a certain period of time, anyone could buy it from a private registrar that is licensed to deal in .coms. That being said, GoDaddy can buy it themselves, and they have done this many, many times before. They could then simply choose not to offer it for auction.

I don't know that the individual action of one private registrar counts as a violation of the 1st Amendment, as the consumer (theoretically) has the right to take their business (publication) to any other private registrar. Now if the government were to de facto or de jure compel US based registrars not to allow certain kinds of speech (websites) to be registered, that would be a violation of the 1st Amendment.

This thread is all over the place, and a few people were asking basic questions at the start, so I will give a shot to answering some. If you know about domain names and hosting, the below may be of no interest to you.

We are generally talking about two separate issues when we speak of most clearnet websites, forums, and the like. Those are domain name registration and hosting. The domain name (whatever.com, for example) is just a human way of expressing a registered static IP address (123.144.145.99, for example). RVF has an "actual" machine web address at some random IP. You could plug that number in up in the address bar, and it would bring you here. PROTIP: In some cases, when a domain name is seized or redirected, knowing the IP address of the site, itself will still get you to the original site, although this does not work in all cases. Hosting is where the data that comprises a site is stored/based. A site may have its domain name and hosting through the same company and in the same country or it may not. In many cases, the owner of a site will choose to register with one domain name provider, and host with another company (or self host, using a server in their basement, which we know some politicians have a habit of doing).

This layer cake operation opens up many vulnerabilities to the site owner. On the hosting level, you really only have to worry about the three big baddies; the government, the hosting company, and hackers. The government can and does seize data from hosts. This might include, for example, a list of all the geo-IPs that logged in to RVF and all member's PM's. The government can also pull or wipe the data. The company hosting can, often and depending on the TOS's, do the same. Finally, hackers can always attempt to access the hosting data for any number of nefarious reasons. And, hackers are often politically motivated, so this is a real concern for everyone with an opinion on anything.

On the domain level, you also have to worry about these three. Hackers won't really be a problem, as a hacked domain name (that is, for example, redirected) can be set right by the registration company. The company, on the other hand, can be a nightmare. They can, in many cases, effectively seize and redirect your name. They can also cancel your registration and put your domain name back up for sale, potentially giving it to someone else. Or they can cancel it and buy it themselves, allowing them to auction it off for any amount they want. Most registration companies claim they don't do this, but a simple search of GoDaddy's "shady" reputation in this area would indicate otherwise. Finally, you have the government. What can they do? A lot, depending on your TLD. The TLD is the .com or .org or .ru. Some of these are GTLDs (generic) like .com and .org. Some are ccTLDs. These are supposed to represent a specific country, like .ca for Canada. Theoretically all ccTLDs are under the jurisdiction of their "home" country. In practice, many ccTLDs for small countries are handled by private registrars or registrars from larger countries. That complicates the issue. Long story short, the government that oversees the TLD can seize it, shut it down, and/or redirect it. Good luck getting it back. And the US Government controls .com, .net, .org, etc.

The standard operating procedure for "undesirable" but legal clearnet sites is to have a primary domain at something like a .com. This is followed by a secondary domain at a safer TLD, like .ba or something. The hosting is handled by a "friendly" or "hands off" host, almost always in a foreign jurisdiction, and frequently with a zero knowledge policy (this means they don't look at or care what you are publishing, as long as it isn't broadly illegal like child pornography). I have heard good things about Icy Evolution, but there are many others. Offsite data backup is a must, as it might be neccessary to move hosts multiple times.

Many had enough with the clearnet system (or they were actually doing something illegal or dangerous) and they moved to the darknet. Those systems, and their brothers, run entirely differently. TOR, Freenet, I2P. There are others. I will leave it to the curious to investigate on their own, but I wouldn't go poking around on those networks if I didn't understand what I was doing.

TL;DR - GoDaddy can punt or keep the domain, depending. Probably not a 1st Amendment violation. Owning a website is fraught with legal and jurisdictional difficulties. Check out the darknet, if you dare.
 

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Pelican
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Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
Kona said:
YoungBlade said:
All I know is my right to celebrate my religious holiday of "Annual Steal A 24-Pack From Walmart Day" better not be infringed or I'm allying with the Polynesian ethnostate in the race war.

We'd love to have you.

"Steal a 24-pack" day is the night before Kill Haole Day. So keep your schedule open.

Aloha!

What are the exact dates? Im not going to go to Walmart for "Steal a 24 pack day" as my beer stealing career peaked when my highschool buddies and I stole a whole beer truck from a frat house party (true story).

But I do want to know when "Kill Whitey Day" is. Im planning on speaking only Spanish that day and break out a wife beater
 

MrLemon

Ostrich
Suits said:
The 1st amendment was written into law to prevent the government from restricting speech.

Here's the actual text:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see anything in there limiting the right of property owners to determine what their property is used for.

This doesn't mean much.

Just like any of the amendments, the 1st amendment has thousands of pages of judicial interpretation and precedence. 200+ years worth. ALL of that applies to the question. That's how constitutional law works.

I believe that in practice, if a company that controls the means of expression (writing or posting) refuses to provide their services to someone *because they disagree with the content being expressed* then they are damned close to a lawsuit. If you're the only printer in town and you refuse to print somebody's book on the catholic faith because you are a protestant, you can and will be sued and probably lose. You are actively surpassing their right to be heard. Your property rights are secondary in this case.

Godaddy is hard to sue because, it has a ton of competition. Google and Facebook on the other hand are heading for a Federal lawsuit at lightning speed. I will personally laugh and cavort in front of their headquarters if they get broken up. I hate the arrogant fucks.

But I digress.
 
I assume Roosh has contingency plans for this.

This is a very important outlet for many men and it’s important that it continues somehow if indeed we are next or certainly in someone’s list.
 

Fortis

Crow
Gold Member
I am sure roosh has a plan but we can all take part by severely reducing the number of inflammatory things we say. Let's help eachother out here since we all value this forum greatly.
 

Suits

 
MrLemon said:
Suits said:
The 1st amendment was written into law to prevent the government from restricting speech.

Here's the actual text:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see anything in there limiting the right of property owners to determine what their property is used for.

This doesn't mean much.

Just like any of the amendments, the 1st amendment has thousands of pages of judicial interpretation and precedence. 200+ years worth. ALL of that applies to the question. That's how constitutional law works.

I believe that in practice, if a company that controls the means of expression (writing or posting) refuses to provide their services to someone *because they disagree with the content being expressed* then they are damned close to a lawsuit. If you're the only printer in town and you refuse to print somebody's book on the catholic faith because you are a protestant, you can and will be sued and probably lose. You are actively surpassing their right to be heard. Your property rights are secondary in this case.

Godaddy is hard to sue because, it has a ton of competition.

You're absolutely right about all of this. However, on independent issues (that are not identical to a Constitutional case that has already been resolved), it's put up or shut up.

Think your Constitutional Rights have been violated? Well, they haven't until the Supreme Court agrees with you.
 
Perhaps GoDaddy would like to explain why they host Islamqa.info.
Its the most visited Islamic site in the World. And it openly says that anyone who leaves Islam should be killed.
And other such extremist garbage.

The internet's Establishment is basically one giant instrument of globalist-liberal propaganda.
I've seen the following:-

1)criticise Islamists who say they will push Christians out of Rome(as they did Constantinopol) = ban from Twitter
2)link UN, WHO, Greenpeace articles re endocrine disruptors causing homosexuality= Facebook ban
3)link passages of the bible and British govt stats re homosexualism = Facebook ban.
4)pro Russia blog = ban.
5)criticise homosexuals/Islamists in comments section = Youtube ban (successfully appealed).
6)Google's kill switch on news it doesn't like. Such news effectively disappears - even where court gagging orders don't apply.

There's also shadow bans where if you challenge the globalist-liberal agenda, your post will go WAY down in search results, so far down that it will never be seen. Happens in Facebook, Twitter, the lot.
 
I don't think that Return Of Kings is next.

But you never know - the funny part is that most of the mainstream ire was rised by two things:

1) The Article about the Culture of Critique

2) The plan for like-minded masculine men of all races across the world to meet up potentially start organizing in real life.

The ironic rape-article was just used as an excuse.

No idea, whether things can be salvaged - I personally would invite some Red Pill Israelis to write articles about things on the ground - feminism, leftism in their country - plus stay away from those two points above.

The Youtube channel of Altright.com is still online, so it's not a total scrub. Has their domain been taken away or can they simply move to another provider?
 

Skank_Hunt

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Godaddy is probably the worst registrar if you want to keep your domain. Internet.bs is better off the top of my head. Then there are other more underground registrars which flat out ignore complaints, for how long who knows.

In the case of this site, I think it will have to be switching the ".com" to ".xyz" ".bz" etc. until those get seized, registering a new one etc., a game of cat and mouse. Then they will go after the actual host, so it's again recommended to have a host that wipes their ass with letters like that. I think a .ru would be cool. Maybe some malicious actor would take action now to register as many of the unregistered alternative domains for this site and rooshv.com, that's something also to consider.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
Fortis said:
I am sure roosh has a plan but we can all take part by severely reducing the number of inflammatory things we say. Let's help eachother out here since we all value this forum greatly.

Self-censorship essentially means the other side wins because they've bullied you into submission.

These people are not the Morality Police. Who the fuck are they to say what's right and what's wrong? I'd advise going about our business as usual.

And the reason for that is that once you're in the cross-hairs, then ANYTHING you say can be judged as "inflammatory." For example, we might think they'd come for the Forum because of something one of us wrote, but it's more likely someone would be offended by those silly cartoons we put in thread titled "Memes and gifs that will instantly trigger leftists."

If anything, all sites related to Black Lives Matter should be banned because they've incited more violence than Richard Spencer.

GoDaddy needs to be taken to court for discrimination based on "creed" -- a concept you don't hear much about today, but which should be revived. It means discrimination based on belief systems. Who is to say what belief system is correct? Corporate boards? SJWs? I don't think so.

There's got to be a lawyer out there who will nail these spineless bastards to the wall.
 

Gradient

Kingfisher
Days of Broken Arrows said:
Self-censorship essentially means the other side wins because they've bullied you into submission.

These people are not the Morality Police. Who the fuck are they to say what's right and what's wrong? I'd advise going about our business as usual.

And the reason for that is that once you're in the cross-hairs, then ANYTHING you say can be judged as "inflammatory." For example, we might think they'd come for the Forum because of something one of us wrote, but it's more likely someone would be offended by those silly cartoons we put in thread titled "Memes and gifs that will instantly trigger leftists."

If anything, all sites related to Black Lives Matter should be banned because they've incited more violence than Richard Spencer.

GoDaddy needs to be taken to court for discrimination based on "creed" -- a concept you don't hear much about today, but which should be revived. It means discrimination based on belief systems. Who is to say what belief system is correct? Corporate boards? SJWs? I don't think so.

There's got to be a lawyer out there who will nail these spineless bastards to the wall.

I seem to recall that we have several highly repped forum members who are lawyers.
 
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