Amazing Dailymail article on marriage could have been published on Return of Kings

[N°6]

This article is promising but I wonder how much effect 'men backing out of marriage' is really having.

I've never met any young woman who couldn't get married if she wanted to. It was always an option for them, even the dirtiest of whores at 27 could get married if they wanted.

I want to think women face consequences and end up alone but male thirst is extreme.

Agreed. All the women hold out for the alpha of their dreams while the alphas are just pump and dumping non-stop.

Not to mention the economy is continues to stagnate despite trillions in QE, stimulus, etc. Unless there's some kind of technological job revolution for the common man, or student debt is magically forgiven, I expect things to get about 10x worse than they currently are. I wonder at which year Marriage will be less than 5% of males?

Debt/ usury in an unproductive 'service economy' is a major factor.

As Ezra Pound chanted:

Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.

I can see a lot of men disqualified from marriage to the type of girl next door their forefathers married because of the debt-based, non-productive, low-wage economy and the reduction of the 2 SMV points necessary to qualify female attraction.

As for a Marriage Strike, I still see more thirst and men easily flattered into marriage when they start getting female attention when her timeline demands she marries quick.

I might read Men on Strike to see if there actually is a positive intention by men to avoid the greatest risk to their lives.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Men-Strike-Boycotting-Marriage-Fatherhood/dp/1594036756

 

[KorbenDallas]

I'm lucky to be young, I think this stuff will turn around and I don't plan on getting married for another decade, after the mad max period has ended and everything is semi back to normal and girls realize how much they need men.

There are a lot of 'unicorns' in the world though so to speak. So, if you are like me, and plan on having a traditional marriage, don't give up. Bang some girls here and there, build your character and money, and things will probably work out ok.

You just gotta communicate well with your woman. Being a red pill man you have to understand, YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT IT WORKS OUT FOR.

Also, if you want to read about real struggle, read about the battle of Stalingrad. After I read about that battle, I've tried to completely stop complaining about things.

We are men, are lives ARE harder, but our JOYS feel better because WE ATTAINED them. Shit doesn't just happen for us. But it also makes our triumphs more sweet.

 

[Troll King]

Can any woman get married? Yeah, many probably can. The real question is, what type of man are they actually marrying.

I actually do think that the marriage strike is working, it is just still on the margins of society. There are a lot of women, who aren't tens but also aren't ones, who want to marry or at least find a good long term boyfriend but can't. They are stuck between a few players and alphas and a whole sea of betas and lower who are more likely to help them move or fix their computer than ask them on a date. If you go to any church, even once or twice a year like me, then you see these women. They are usually middle and upper middle class and college educated.

Also, single mothers by choice and teen moms are quite large in some populations. These girls have a much harder time of marrying because even betas recoil at the site of some other guys walking sperm asking, "are you going to be my daddy?"

Keep in mind that a lot of the data that is used in some of these surveys and studies suffers from a sampling bias. Single women in NYC who got their degree from Columbia or Harvard or single women in San Francisco are not representative of the fly over states. Hell, your average college aged student answering questions on some psychology study for extra points in their psych 220 isn't representative either and that makes up a large percentage of psychological, and other types, of studies and surveys.

 

[Akula]

I wonder at which year Marriage will be less than 5% of males?

After seeing articles like this in mainstream sources and thinking about many of the males who are my peers, I think we're going to see it in our lifetimes. I threw in the towel on any kind of serious commitments with women a few years ago and I know plenty of others who have done the same. There's just no practical reason for it anymore.

So true. Why would any logical percentage player in most of the Anglosphere do it given the heavily skewed laws against men and the financial and emotional rape you're facing? To wife-up a probably drugged-up, non-feminine, overweight late 20s - 30-something 5-6 with an attitude? :huh:

 

[Guitarman]

Even before becoming "red pill" aware I knew modern marriage was a disaster for a man and vowed never to get married.

However, I do love statistics, but this one has got me worried;- "According to the Office for National Statistics, marriage in Britain is at its lowest level since 1895. In 2011, there were just 286,634 ceremonies — a 41 per cent free fall from 1972, when 480,285 couples tied the knot."

One of my businesses that provides a substantial portion of my income stream is providing a wedding related service. What I do is key to the happy couples big day and it is worrying if there are literally half the weddings per annum now than there were 40 years ago.

 

[Gmac]

One big takeaway is that if the idea of marriage doesn't scare you for a large number of reasons, you better re-think everything. This type of stuff should be mandatory reading material for young guys.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The article created a ripple effect and a similar one was written on the popular Foxnews site:


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/01/why-men-wont-marry.html

Why men won't marry you

As recently one blogger pointed out - there is only one winner of feminism:

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http://alphagameplan.blogspot.fr/2015/05/a-belated-discovery.html

Guys around here can count themselves as one of the few winners. Some of don't even like that society that much knowing the consequences, but on the other hand when you can still fuck 19 year old hotties in your 40s without financial sugar incentives, well that is still one of the perks of feminism.

We can also create stable bonds with women if we want to being able to more adequately steer the windy waters - that is why a sizable portion of the 'sphere does not even want to waste time on professing the ills of society - life is good enough living (Christian McQueen, Goldmund, G-Manifesto etc.).

And I cannot really blame them - like Vikings we sail free and take women as our spoils, losing interest in them when they become older. Personally I like a stable bond and children once in life, but I don't fret sleep if that LTR falls apart. I am happy as a Viking sailing from village-lass to village-girl.

 

[Akula]

^^^^I hear ya Zelcorp and think technically you are correct.

But I have to ask myself "what have we (i.e. Alphas & gamers) really won?"

The quality of western women has gone dramatically down, they are fatter, snarkier, less-respectful, lack morals, don't want a man or even children, lost their femininity and charm, yadda yadda yadda. Big picture that sucks for me really, even if it forced me to finally figure out how to get laid more and can do more of it.

Part of the reason I'm out of the US and in EE is just to deal with nicer, better "real" women who respect men somewhat and are more of a pleasure to be with and bang as opposed to the faux-women we have back home.

Alphas were going to always get their fair share of tang no matter what, and one could argue that the bigger supply of fit, attractive & datable ladies 30-40 years ago far outweighed the easiness of the reduced pool of bangable women (albeit with a higher slut factor) in the Anglosphere these days. (I'm thinking about that statement so don't hold me to it but I think it's largely true). Sure the one-night stands and slutty girls are more abundant than ever in the US now, but I have to ask is that really a win for the alpha dude who was getting women anyway? If anything I think it's just created more player guys who aren't true alphas (like me ) who just can use game to have a nice sex life and also pursue my other important interests. But after awhile it creates a wasteland for guys who do end up wanting to eventually have kids with a woman, even if they plan on playing around at some point.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

..But after awhile it creates a wasteland for guys who do end up wanting to eventually have kids with a woman, even if they plan on playing around at some point.

You can do that without much difficulty. Female nature craves those bonds and you can have woman and children. I would not recommend marriage, but even that helps. For Alphas the tables have turned so far that women are willing to accept you fuck others or have threesomes so long as they are with you.

FSU countries are extreme examples of that - sure - there is a lack of men altogether, but you meet those couples in FSU and EE, where the Alpha has a wife/mother of his children and has in addition affairs or concubines. I have been told by a few Russian women living in the West, that they would accept such an arrangement when living in Russia. One said: "There are so many hot young women and so few successful Alphas - you have to let him do his thing. As long as he comes back to you it's fine."

The problem is that for the average guy it sucks more or he has to pair off with a woman who has less of a SMV than him.

Life is good - enjoy it. Humanity will survive this phase sooner or later. No need to fret about it.