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Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Catholic
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I didn't want to open a new thread for this, but this is a great, hard-hitting article about the demonization of heritage Americans:

 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
@LaurenWitzkeDC: Young adults join TPUSA because they want to fight the indoctrination, not be indoctrinated.

TPUSA won’t allow their members to even mention pro-life or traditional marriage. They can’t oppose drag queen story hour, and are taught to defend the slaughter of Palestinian toddlers.

Looks like one of their members has had enough.


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@ChiefTrumpster: TPUSA EXPOSED: Internal TPUSA Handbook Shows Discussion Of Gay Marriage, Abortion Is Forbidden + Kirk Caught On Camera Stating He Is "In The Middle" On Drag Queen Story Hour, Supporting Changing Genders, And Claiming He Isn't "Anti-Trans"

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About TPUSA a friend of mine went to their recent convention, and I was told that many of the speakers talked about the LGBBQT indoctrination force-fed to kids and one even mentioned the gay agenda. Ted Cruz was there and started quacking off about the injections and people booed him lol and his face in real-time was watching the mob turn against him so he backtracked mid-sentence. Cracks are starting to form in their organization when people can't take the bullshit after awhile. There were very few if any mentions of those flaky nazi's that everyone talks about but never keep appearing anywhere, but many talks about marxists, communists, even some bolshevist mentions about the current deep state and the left. That being said, many of their members are living blindly and believe in the jew lies and hide behind a version of Christianity-lite.

TPUSA also has federal touches to it, just their money and the way they operate, Kirk must be taking funds from someone in the system. Local community groups that have no official bearing or standard are really the only true safe groups to voice your concerns these days.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Back to bomb throwing again I see. This type of hyperbolic statement is reckless and doesn't help matters at all. Correct people where needed but comparing the whole lot to the followers of satan does not serve the Lord.
What does the church of satan promote that TPUSA would find disagreeable? They both promote severely limited government and the “right” to do and say whatever legal thing you want. It’s just TPUSA libertarianism with spookier costumes.
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
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What does the church of satan promote that TPUSA would find disagreeable? They both promote severely limited government and the “right” to do and say whatever legal thing you want. It’s just TPUSA libertarianism with spookier costumes.
The worship of satan for one. Are you asserting that the members of TPUSA advocate for the worship of satan? If so please back that up with facts and statements that have been made by prominent or even secondary members. This is irresponsible rhetoric.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The worship of satan for one. Are you asserting that the members of TPUSA advocate for the worship of satan? If so please back that up with facts and statements that have been made by prominent or even secondary members. This is irresponsible rhetoric.
The group called “the church of satan,” the one Anton LaVey started, doesn’t “advocate for the worship of satan.” It’s worship of the self and the encouragement to do whatever you want in life. Worship of self is satanic, obviously, but my question remains about how the mindless libertarian worship of self is any different between the two groups. I haven’t seen an answer yet.

Another way of asking: Given TPUSA’s outright refusal to speak out against gay “marriage,” abortion and trannies as per the posted photo…how does their moral ontology differ from Anton LaVey’s? Both attitudes are “do whatever you want, no judgment here” which results from a lack of belief in objective morality (ie, God).
 
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Uzisuicide

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The group called “the church of satan,” the one Anton LaVey started, doesn’t “advocate for the worship of satan.” It’s worship of the self and the encouragement to do whatever you want in life. Worship of self is satanic, obviously, but my question remains about how the mindless libertarian worship of self is any different between the two groups. I haven’t seen an answer yet.

Another way of asking: Given TPUSA’s outright refusal to speak out against gay “marriage,” abortion and trannies as per the posted photo…how does their moral ontology differ from Anton LaVey’s? Both attitudes are “do whatever you want, no judgment here” which results from a lack of belief in objective morality (ie, God).
With that type of logic, you could compare TPUSA to so many of the professed Christian Churches here in America. satan believes that the Bible is true, satan believes that there is a heaven a hell and that Christ is risen. But he will never repent or confess that Jesus is Lord There are alot of people in organizations like TPUSA who believe in or can be reached for Christ. Comparing them with satanists doesn't help further the cause of Christ which is redemption. TPUSA is not an ideology. It is a group of people who have more things in common than not and that would probably include you. Make your case as to why they are wrong on issues instead of classifying them as ideological purists with satanists.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
With that type of logic, you could compare TPUSA to so many of the professed Christian Churches here in America. satan believes that the Bible is true, satan believes that there is a heaven a hell and that Christ is risen. But he will never repent or confess that Jesus is Lord There are alot of people in organizations like TPUSA who believe in or can be reached for Christ. Comparing them with satanists doesn't help further the cause of Christ which is redemption. TPUSA is not an ideology. It is a group of people who have more things in common than not and that would probably include you. Make your case as to why they are wrong on issues instead of classifying them as ideological purists with satanists.
How many homosexuals and transgenders does a “conservative” organization need to promote these days before Christians realize they are not on our team?

The Church is not neutral on any of the issues TPUSA giddily promotes. It isn’t Zionist, it doesn’t believe in gay “marriage,”and it doesn’t forbid its members or advocates from speaking out against abortion. In the day and age we live in, neutrality and passivity are traits that only lead to collapse and degeneration.

I’m still waiting for an answer to my question, by the way. What does TPUSA promote that the church of satan would disagree with?
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
How many homosexuals and transgenders does a “conservative” organization need to promote these days before Christians realize they are not on our team?

The Church is not neutral on any of the issues TPUSA giddily promotes. It isn’t Zionist, it doesn’t believe in gay “marriage,”and it doesn’t forbid its members or advocates from speaking out against abortion. In the day and age we live in, neutrality and passivity are traits that only lead to collapse and degeneration.

I’m still waiting for an answer to my question, by the way. What does TPUSA promote that the church of satan would disagree with?

While I respect you as a grown up and a brother in Christ, this is typical Witcoff debate. It's the same thing you did when debating the Protestant Pastor. I'm not here to provide you with a bullet point breakdown of TPUSA and the church of satan. That would be silly. It's easy to see where TP is going wrong and it should be addressed specifically. Lumping them in with satan worshipers is hyperbolic and an example of why I disagree with your tactics since I began reading your posts. Let me explain:
1) satan knows that Christ is risen and is the Son of God.
2) satan knows that there is a Heaven and a Hell.
3) satan knows that there will be a judgement day

You know and believe the same things. Would it then be responsible of me to make a blanket statement proclaiming that Michael Witcoff ideologically agrees with satan? No it would not and I would never do such a thing. You could refute something like that but I am not TPUSA. I have seen speakers at TP events like Don Jr. and Candace Owens that I agree with on many things and I know they don't worship satan and probably agree with me on 80% of the issues and that's pretty good. Let's take to 80% and work on convincing them on the other 20. I don't think that's unreasonable.

One more thing, satan is a counterfeiter and the church of satan will do anything to sound reasonable and measured to the average person. But their end is advocating satan worship. It's what a "church" is.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I’m not sure you read my post, but I agree with you that it’s a typical debate…but only in the sense that I’ve asked a specific question I haven’t gotten an answer to :)

The Protestant pastor did this as well. I asked him over and over what St. Paul is referring to when he says that eating and drinking of it unworthily has caused many to get sick and die. He kept saying that it wasn’t the Eucharist, but never gave me an answer to the question of “what is it?”
 
As far as I'm concerned, any organization that doesn't name the enemy is a worthless, futile movement. A breakaway collective of smaller organizations full of people who can't stand TPUSA's neutrality would carry much more weight through the states reaching people and helping them resist than a national (with international connections in some areas I believe) organization that doesn't impede the movement or retard the agenda of the enemy.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
As far as I'm concerned, any organization that doesn't name the enemy is a worthless, futile movement. A breakaway collective of smaller organizations full of people who can't stand TPUSA's neutrality would carry much more weight through the states reaching people and helping them resist than a national (with international connections in some areas I believe) organization that doesn't impede the movement or retard the agenda of the enemy.
It actively helps the enemy by labeling itself “right wing” when they would have been considered radical leftists by our grandparents. People looking for an alternative to leftism might get roped in by the false use of such language and then believe they’re some kind of rebel for being part of TPUSA, not realizing its entire purpose as a gatekeeper group is to prevent people from knowing what the actual “right” is. It keeps them solidly on the plantation and as such, is very useful to our enemies.
 

Denam8487

Sparrow
Catholic
About TPUSA a friend of mine went to their recent convention, and I was told that many of the speakers talked about the LGBBQT indoctrination force-fed to kids and one even mentioned the gay agenda. Ted Cruz was there and started quacking off about the injections and people booed him lol and his face in real-time was watching the mob turn against him so he backtracked mid-sentence. Cracks are starting to form in their organization when people can't take the bullshit after awhile. There were very few if any mentions of those flaky nazi's that everyone talks about but never keep appearing anywhere, but many talks about marxists, communists, even some bolshevist mentions about the current deep state and the left. That being said, many of their members are living blindly and believe in the jew lies and hide behind a version of Christianity-lite.

TPUSA also has federal touches to it, just their money and the way they operate, Kirk must be taking funds from someone in the system. Local community groups that have no official bearing or standard are really the only true safe groups to voice your concerns these days.

Never forget Dave Reilly dropping the hammer on Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith. Legendary moment.

 
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