America has become a HUGE scam

[kosko]

America is the best AND worst place to get rich and ahead. Period.

America is fuked up and has a lot of issues but no place can you hustle with as much as EASE 'murrica.

In Canada being complacent is king, and taking risks is seldom. We have a feverish virus of mediocracy here. When I go to the States I get a boner from all the rush of activity, it's infectious. Everybody is hustling down there, everybody is chasing something. Yes it can be a scam but it's that delusion is what keeps American productivity high, they are addicted to it on a engrained cultural level.

I can't bail on the west until I try my hand at trying to sink or swim in America. I've been seeing that Canada keeps me stagnant because I don't have that rush of activity and hustling around me. When I'm in that atmosphere I want to win.

I dog America a lot, but what is present there is undeniable. Trying to hustle abroad with American fever can get you rich, broke, or killed, all maybe in the same day. No other place gives you the ability to hustle with a framework of some what fair play. Yes the elite and rich are pillaging everything but then GO AND TAKE IT BACK. Go start hosting high end clients in bars like McQueen, open a market or derive that caters to those rich slobs, go manage their money and rape then with fees, do whatever you can to get your share back then bail. America gives you the ability to do that! With EASE. No place else gives that to you.

America can be the worst of all of that. But you gotta have that mindset of not being on that other side. In Canada it's to costly to take risks and a big safety net keeps people from crashing. In America shit is way cheaper to start off on, and knowing you'll be broke and homeless if you fail is fuel enough to not want to be on the other side of that coin. The trend now is to be rich or poor, the middle class is in be past tense so choose which side you want to be on...

 

[nomadicdude]

@ Onto: recent studies have shown that a baby born in the US has a lower chance of moving up the economic ladder than in most European countries including "socialist" places like Sweden. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Hotwheels]

Your country isn't holding you down. Your mentality is.

 

[nomadicdude]

@runninn: read this http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Also consider that a middle class person in America to worry about going bankruptcy because of tuition and healthcare. They can be fired at any time for any reason. They have little chance of saving for retirement. They never can take a vacation.

Compare that to a similarly situated person in Europe and don't you see the point? I realize Americans have been brainwashed into all thinking they are just one step away from becoming the next Bill Gates but that is pure BS. You judge a society but how it treats the mass of its people and America is pretty pathetic on that point compared to basically any other rich country on Earth.

 

[nomadicdude]

@Hotwheels: where do I say that America is holding me down? I am more educated than at least 95% of people and I make a higher income than 90% of people. I never said American held me down. I said I don't like the way things are going and that it is a scam for the vast majority of people. The American Dream has become a fraud.

 

[InternationPlayboy]

I posted something on Facebook about how we go to work to buy cars to sit in traffic to get us there and houses that we leave vacant most of the time to work to afford it. Someone posted, "that sounds right to me." It's kind of sorry how people just not only accept it, but think it's right.

 

[nomadicdude]

@InternationPlayboy: it's a very American thing to accept. Like we've been brainwashed. Most other rich countries are commercialized and materialistic as well but not to the extreme of America. We really do have an extreme capitalistic society.

 

[Onto]

@ Onto: recent studies have shown that a baby born in the US has a lower chance of moving up the economic ladder than in most European countries including "socialist" places like Sweden. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Geeeezus, I didn't realize the NY Times published an article saying so. Well, it must be true then. LOL

If you can't make it in America, you can't make it anywhere.

 

[kosko]

Your country isn't holding you down. Your mentality is.

Your not Canadian. It's hard for you to comment on this. I've lived in both countries, and both my sisters went to school down there.

The vibe is different in the States. There isn't a mentality and culture of aiming up that does not exist here in Canada; we have one of the lowest productivity rates in the OECD, the stats back it up. Canada does not like to take risks and try hard, we are notorious underachivers. This ain't me blaming Canada for where am at, because where I am at is still far ahead of many (two tries at starting a business, and I'm just in school in a good program... I haven't done shit) but even now, I am not happy where am at and I want more.

I can see the ceiling already... In Canada you've made it as a adviser/consultant or manager in Government or Crown... That's 1% here in Canada. It's hard to explain unless you have lived here and been indoctrinated in our culture.

@Moma would likely echo what I'm saying since he is State-side right now. The rush to compete down there is real, it isn't some make believe shit.

 

[Akula]

"We're not going to sit here...and listen to you badmouth...the United States of America...Gentlemen!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=38ETQ1RYa_Q

 

[Hotwheels]

Your country isn't holding you down. Your mentality is.

Your not Canadian. It's hard for you to comment on this. I've lived in both countries, and both my sisters went to school down there.

The vibe is different in the States. There isn't a mentality and culture of aiming up that does not exist here in Canada; we have one of the lowest productivity rates in the OECD, the stats back it up. Canada does not like to take risks and try hard, we are notorious underachivers. This ain't me blaming Canada for where am at, because where I am at is still far ahead of many (two tries at starting a business, and I'm just in school in a good program... I haven't done shit) but even now, I am not happy where am at and I want more.

I can see the ceiling already... In Canada you've made it as a adviser/consultant or manager in Government or Crown... That's 1% here in Canada. It's hard to explain unless you have lived here and been indoctrinated in our culture.

@Moma would likely echo what I'm saying since he is State-side right now. The rush to compete down there is real, it isn't some make believe shit.

My comment was directed at the OP who seems to be American from all the US references.

I haven't bothered to read all his whining however so maybe I missed his being a Canuck.

 

[speakeasy]

Having said that, there is a lot of money flying around in America and a lot of opportunity for a smart, determined, guy.

Not everyone is smart. Some are determined and hard-working people, but it's mainly smart and well-connected people that make it to the top 10%. Sure most people are smart enough to get by and do their meager jobs, but everyone isn't smart enough to build a large profitable corporation. Plus everyone can't be rich, you need workers. That's like having an army with all generals and no grunts. Nor do we all have those social connections to wealthy and powerful people that will give us access to capital and business opportunity.

It's necessary for a stable economy to have enough middle-class jobs for average and not-so average people. If normal income people keep seeing that all the gains of GDP are going to rich as they've done over the past 30 years, that's going to breed resentment eventually. That resentment may lead to peaceful social change, or it may lead to violent revolution.

 

[rudebwoy]

This is laughable, I feel the same about America as most Canadians.

Like Kosko stated, Americans have a thing about business. It amazes me that the people I know that have good jobs would rather talk about their "business" that they are trying to start. No other country has that mindset, certainly not Canada.

I know people that smuggled there way into America in a back of a car with empty pockets. A few years later after working two jobs and hustling, they are living in the suburbs in a four bedroom house with a two car garage. Sorry that ain't happening in Europe, most people I know live in the same house in Europe for most of there lives.

 

[jimukr104]

I really wonder sometimes how much these America whiners have traveled. CardGuy's analysis is simplistic but it's also powerful. Do you know what the dowry price of a Yemeni - American girl is? $50-75k easy. This is dramatically higher than her peers for only one reason, she can petition her husband for an immigrant visa! Why do Cubans set sail on makeshift rafts that the crew from Gilligan's Island wouldn't touch risking death? Why was I offered $10k by a Russian girl in Baltimore to marry her?

Did you read that there was a 500% increase in Americans who renounced their citizenship? Do you know the actual yearly figure that increase represents? Less than ONE THOUSAND. That's out of a nation of more than THREE HUNDRED MILLION.

The demise of America is greatly exaggerated on this board. America spends more on its military than the next 10 combined. It is the only country with the ability to sustainably project power anywhere in the world. It is still the number one economy. American culture has been so absorbed by the rest of the world they don't even consider it American anymore. It is fucking irritating to listen to people in Egypt bad mouth America while wearing blue jeans and superman t-shirt, smoking a Marlboro cigarette, while posting to Twitter or Facebook from their iPhone using the WiFi at the neighborhood McDonald's. Oh and the Facebook post was about how excited they are too go see Capt. America: The Winter Soldier when it is released worldwide by Hollywood.

The day America is truly in trouble is the day it enacts exit visa requirements on its citizens (Russia anyone? ). Until then, maybe dial down the America hysteria. If you want to leave forever, explore the world, sow some wild oats in foreign pussy, then go right ahead. Just do me one favor and don't go running to the US government for protection if things don't work out for you in your new poosey paradise.

Rant over

"Why was I offered $10k by a Russian girl in Baltimore to marry her?"
Because she can divorce you and get a lot more..lol

 

[Nolecbo]

Sorry that ain't happening in Europe, most people I know live in the same house in Europe for most of there lives.

I heard an economist once phrase it as "the problems of Europe are not readily apparent to the the average American tourist".

My friends in Paris have LONG commutes far from city center and still live in places about the size of my apartment in Manhattan.

 

[KorbenDallas]

Speakeasy, I completely agree. I work in a solitary, unorthodox field where my income is derived solely from my intelligence and work ethic, so, I have very little connection to what its like for the average joe so to speak. I do have some personal connections with blue collar guys and can say this for sure-the middle/lower middle class in America is getting squeezed.

My dad works in a small, boutique type small business which caters to the 1%, so, his business hasn't been hurt too bad by the economy, however, for most businesses its extremely rough out there.

All that being said, I was just trying to be encouraging. I think if you have an outside the box mentality its more likely you'll succeed somewhat. By the way speakeasy, are you planning on teaching english? I think you should at least get certification. There isn't too much money in it here in Central Europe, but I've heard of people saving up some serious cash by going to teach in Siberia or Asia.

 

[Baldwin81]

The trend now is to be rich or poor, the middle class is in be past tense so choose which side you want to be on...

Truth.

Just because commericals pitch an aspirational American dream message for goods and services - often paid on credit or in installments - doesn't mean that the country itself is a scam. Tune that shit out.

It does mean that one has to be smart to avoid the pitfalls (Roosh posted today about how he had to deprogram from college). Fortunately, we have all the information in the world in front of us thanks to the internet. The rest is up to you.

The ways of the Stoic have never been so valuable.

 

[speakeasy]

By the way speakeasy, are you planning on teaching english? I think you should at least get certification. There isn't too much money in it here in Central Europe, but I've heard of people saving up some serious cash by going to teach in Siberia or Asia.

I have kind of waffled back and forth about teaching English abroad. At this point I think I'll pass on it. My deciding factors are:

1) The money sucks and the places where the money is decent are not places I'd want to reside(e.g. Middle East, NE Asia). If I was into Asian women, I'd probably head to Japan for a couple years.

2) From what I've read and what a friend has told me who does this, the day to day schedule of an ESL sounds shitty. Like classes being spread out all across the city and having to take long rides on public transit to get from one place to the next. If it was all in one school that you'd go to from 9-5 it would sound much more attractive. So you do all this ripping and running and you're only making enough money to break even if even that. That is if I wanted to teach in a place with the type of girls I'm attracted to i.e. Latina or Central/Eastern European. If the pay was better, that wouldn't be so bad, but if I want to live abroad, going the route of location independent freelance work sounds like a better lifestyle/financial option.

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

I really wonder sometimes how much these America whiners have traveled. CardGuy's analysis is simplistic but it's also powerful. Do you know what the dowry price of a Yemeni - American girl is? $50-75k easy. This is dramatically higher than her peers for only one reason, she can petition her husband for an immigrant visa! Why do Cubans set sail on makeshift rafts that the crew from Gilligan's Island wouldn't touch risking death? Why was I offered $10k by a Russian girl in Baltimore to marry her?

Did you read that there was a 500% increase in Americans who renounced their citizenship? Do you know the actual yearly figure that increase represents? Less than ONE THOUSAND. That's out of a nation of more than THREE HUNDRED MILLION.

The demise of America is greatly exaggerated on this board. America spends more on its military than the next 10 combined. It is the only country with the ability to sustainably project power anywhere in the world. It is still the number one economy. American culture has been so absorbed by the rest of the world they don't even consider it American anymore. It is fucking irritating to listen to people in Egypt bad mouth America while wearing blue jeans and superman t-shirt, smoking a Marlboro cigarette, while posting to Twitter or Facebook from their iPhone using the WiFi at the neighborhood McDonald's. Oh and the Facebook post was about how excited they are too go see Capt. America: The Winter Soldier when it is released worldwide by Hollywood.

The day America is truly in trouble is the day it enacts exit visa requirements on its citizens (Russia anyone? ). Until then, maybe dial down the America hysteria. If you want to leave forever, explore the world, sow some wild oats in foreign pussy, then go right ahead. Just do me one favor and don't go running to the US government for protection if things don't work out for you in your new poosey paradise.

Rant over

 

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Dude, this reads like one of those crazy ranty Facebook statuses that I see obviously bipolar chicks on Facebook posting.

Get a grip. Take some agency in your own life. self improvement is the answer to being less angry.

I was expecting something more like one of those crazy ranty FB status by old men that say:

America is about to fall, it's a huge scam perpetuated by the fed and its communist in chief....Barrack HUSSEIN Obama and the minorities fight against us.

In all seriousness, 'Murica is a great place. My father came here with a toolbox and his soul, he started working by scrubbing toilets and working in a car wash.

Years later he built his company and was making money, he got tired of it and sold it. After a break and being broke for a while, he's starting another one and it's growing. He went from minimum wage to charging 18/hr to clean an office. I grew up in the ghetto and wore cheap clothes because times were rough but busted my ass working. My childhood friends are locked up or still in the ghetto earning 7.25/hr because they were too cool for school.

'Murica is what you make it to be.