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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob Robinson" data-source="post: 1450121" data-attributes="member: 18849">^^^^^^^This exactly. My 2003 Honda has 235K miles on it, I drive it to work every day, and it gets &gt;30 miles to the gallon.&nbsp; I expect it to go past 300K.&nbsp; It still drives like new and very little unplanned maintenance over the years.&nbsp; But now cars are overly complicated to get just a couple more MPG, and might last half as long if one is really lucky.&nbsp; Any guess as to how much electricity and natural gas is used to melt down old car parts to make new steel and aluminum?&nbsp; And what about all that plastic?&nbsp; All the energy used in manufacturing.&nbsp; The bump in CAFE standards are an environmental disaster.&nbsp; Do not even get me started on putting turbo chargers on tiny engines for fuel efficiency, or engines that turn off at stop lights.&nbsp; Or, to be really environmentally friendly&nbsp; go do some strip mining for lithium to make battery powered cars.&nbsp; Coal strip mining = bad, evil.&nbsp; Lithium strip mining = good, happy.For so much Chinese junk, they really ought to just simplify the supply chain and trash it over there as well, and just give the person buying it a certificate of ownership that they can proudly display for getting such a great deal.I really suspect that Americans of 30, 40, 50 years ago put out far less garbage than we do.&nbsp; What was thrown away very rarely included nasty things like printed circuit boards.&nbsp; They may not have recycled cardboard boxes, but it is disputable how much of that gets recycled anyway.&nbsp; Now everyone tosses a mountain of Amazon boxes every year for the most inefficient factory to home supply chain ever dreamed of.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yet another recycle bin is another invitation to throw more stuff out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jacob Robinson, post: 1450121, member: 18849"] ^^^^^^^This exactly. My 2003 Honda has 235K miles on it, I drive it to work every day, and it gets >30 miles to the gallon. I expect it to go past 300K. It still drives like new and very little unplanned maintenance over the years. But now cars are overly complicated to get just a couple more MPG, and might last half as long if one is really lucky. Any guess as to how much electricity and natural gas is used to melt down old car parts to make new steel and aluminum? And what about all that plastic? All the energy used in manufacturing. The bump in CAFE standards are an environmental disaster. Do not even get me started on putting turbo chargers on tiny engines for fuel efficiency, or engines that turn off at stop lights. Or, to be really environmentally friendly go do some strip mining for lithium to make battery powered cars. Coal strip mining = bad, evil. Lithium strip mining = good, happy. For so much Chinese junk, they really ought to just simplify the supply chain and trash it over there as well, and just give the person buying it a certificate of ownership that they can proudly display for getting such a great deal. I really suspect that Americans of 30, 40, 50 years ago put out far less garbage than we do. What was thrown away very rarely included nasty things like printed circuit boards. They may not have recycled cardboard boxes, but it is disputable how much of that gets recycled anyway. Now everyone tosses a mountain of Amazon boxes every year for the most inefficient factory to home supply chain ever dreamed of. Yet another recycle bin is another invitation to throw more stuff out. [/QUOTE]

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