Anecdotes of how Western culture affects foreign born women

[Horus]

An example of a foreign woman tainted by Western culture in her own country:

When passing through Bangkok a few months ago, I fired up Tinder to see what was on offer. Most of them were trannies and hookers, but there was one late 20s, 6/10 local girl I matched with who was very direct in telling me that she wanted to fuck. I was quite suspicious that there might be something she wasn't telling me since it's never that easy - perhaps she was a hooker and would try and hit me up for money afterwards. But I thought fuck it and just went with it to see what happened. Within 20 minutes of meeting up, we were naked - by far my easiest ever bang.

Afterwards she told me her back story. She had lived with her family all her life in Chiang Mai and had moved to Bangkok by herself for work. This was the first time she had lived alone. Her family were very traditional, protective and well-to-do, and she only lost her virginity at 25 to a boyfriend, but after he left, he was the only guy she screwed until she came to Bangkok.

Within a week of arriving in Bangkok, she was banged out by an American player. She said the combination of exposure to white meat and her first taste of living away from the protectiveness of her parents drove her to wanting to fuck everyone and everything. In one year, she went from only 1 notch to 41 notches, including myself. Almost all of them were western travelers she met off Tinder like myself. It was shocking how open she was about it all. No doubt by now the number is well into the 50s now.

She also told me she desperately wants to settle down and have kids.

:hamster2:

 

[John Quincy]

I think the moral of the story here, is that you never know what you are getting.

I think a lot of guys make the mistake of assuming that they can be off guard and just find a woman from a non Anglosphere country and just settle down.

This is a very important point and I keep reminding myself of this over and over again because the natural tendency is look for an efficient solution and execute. Find a country that has non-slutty women. Move the there. Run your business. Learn the culture. Learn the language. Run Game. Wife up. Run more game. And so on.

But that's far from the reality. Going abroad is a good step but much more work is required now than just a few years ago. The internet has made slutty Western behavior accessible to virtually any country. 20 years ago a slutty, third-tier American celebrity would probably not be known in Eastern Europe or Russia. Now their behavior can be followed second by second on social media. The infection spreads quickly.

I guess the only way to address this problem is to sharpen one's slut radar so that one can pick up slut tells quickly (assuming your goal is LTR/wife).

I'd be interested to hear more views and suggestions on how this problem can be addressed.

 

[Parzival]

Some stories here are like something I also experienced in Asia. A girl falls in love with a western guy, her shiny white prince. Then the guy just bang her, or cheat and she turn into a mess. I had something with a spanish girl, her bf was also a spanish guy. The bf brake up and she went on the write because of frustration. Had also some sweet girl from Ukraine, she married a guy from New Zealand after one year of dating with no sex. Then the guy dropped here even when she was about 15 younger.
When I meet girls in Asia that had been to the USA it was in most cases sure that she turned into a slut. How many guys in the USA take advantage of a girl and then drop her? This can break a lot of women.

Well and then there are the natural sluts or the girls that feel the frustration with their beta loser males at home. Then a western guy hits the spot, confident, exotic. Easy game mostly.

 

[DaveR]

I think a lot of guys make the mistake of assuming that they can be off guard and just find a woman from a non Anglosphere country and just settle down.

That is my feeling too. I think there always has been a small number of sluts, even in conservative cultures. The difference is that today they have avenues to express themselves and plenty of stimulus: social media, Hollywood, tattoos, short/coloured hair, etc.

When I moved to Russia a decade ago, it was much more difficult to identify loose women. They all dressed the same way at that time because the usual 20 stores you find in today's malls (Zara, GAP, etc.) hadn't been established. The selection of clothing was extremely limited and stores couldn't afford to experiment with alternative fashion. Girls weren't exposed to images of celebrities with tattoos. The Russian market was ignored by Hollywood at that time, so only the classics were dubbed and showing on Russian screens.

In other words, just as many natural born sluts existed, but there weren't as many visible signs of it. The only way for a man to determine a woman's character was to observe her behaviour over a number of weeks and months. In some ways that makes dating easier today as one can more easily eliminate a lot of the low-value women by quickly observing a few key indicators (hairstyle, dress, travel, social media profiles, lots of exposure to Anglo culture).

After saying that, it's important to keep in mind that we're talking about a very small number. My own belief is that a slut gene exists and that it's the equivalent of whatever causes attention deficit disorder in teenage boys. By that I mean real ADD which affects about 1% of the population, not the inflated version currently being peddled in the US. That would explain why a small number of loose women are born and raised - against the norm - in conservative cultures and strict families.

So I think there are two factors at play here:

1. sluts have a tendency to seek new, exciting things, and they tend to find those things in Anglosphere culture (films, TV, travel, etc.)
2. Anglosphere culture is a negative influence and will compromise a normal girl's moral compass if she's exposed to a lot of it, especially around college age when her own personality is developing.

 

[kaotic]

How many guys in the USA take advantage of a girl and then drop her? This can break a lot of women.

Well and then there are the natural sluts or the girls that feel the frustration with their beta loser males at home. Then a western guy hits the spot, confident, exotic. Easy game mostly.

What guy in the west WOULDN'T turn a girl out like that.

I don't expect any of the players out here to stop banging out these actually decent girls and then dumping them.

I don't expect players to stop doing this in order not to break them and so they can actually make good wives.

Maybe we should focus on the root source of the problem, the fathers and mothers of these girls, but that brings about the question of the perpetual cycle.

How do you fix it ? Make sure the father isn't some beta hard working loser ? Or focus on the next generation of males and make sure they don't become their fathers? Or focus on the women and making sure they're aware of the "evils" of western relations? Which in itself is temptation (Eve).

Sure some girls are sluts, but most more than likely just want a good man to settle down with. They feel partially empty and alone without a good man there.

This is a very complicated question to answer.

We want to seek out and bang feminine non western women, but expect them to stay that way after we realize we'd rather chase new pussy then get locked down to a good one. Then we rail against how they're being corrupted by the west (aka western players).

Catch 22

 

[the high]

...

We want to seek out and bang feminine non western women, but expect them to stay that way after we realize we'd rather chase new pussy then get locked down to a good one. Then we rail against how they're being corrupted by the west (aka western players).

Catch 22

 

[262]

^^^
Disagree on the catch 22.

If #NoHymenNoDiamond,
Then #NoDiamondNoHymen.

In other words, if guys want to hold out and seek virgin brides, then those virgin girls should hold out and seek marriage for their virginity.

Don't let girls escape responsibility. THAT is how the West spreads.

"But he played me SO well, it's not my fault I got pumped and dumped!" =
"But she was SO hot, it's not my fault I got divorce-raped!"

 

[kaotic]

I agree, a girl SHOULD BE held responsible for her actions.

But I'm talking about a broader point of some good women regardless of team hymen being ruined.

You don't need to fuck a virgin to fuck her up in the head.

Remember that.

Speaking of Team Hymen, can you really be sure ?

She could suck a thousand dicks and STILL claim to be a complete pure virgin.

She could get DP'ed in the ass and STILL claim to be a complete virgin.

There are some fallacies in that line of thinking.

 

[Parzival]

I agree its also the responsibility of the women to say no but when you spot a good girl, why seduce here for the sake of ruin her? Whats the gain of the temptation beside the sex? There are sluts out there, there are girls in the middle out there. On the other side I understand every man want to get laid and if its possible he will do it. The issue is when the intention to drop her is already there even if she is a good girl. Because some say they are either not ready to contribute something for a LTR, don't believe in it or whatever.

At the end its the struggle of life and everyone is on the quest for his or her own stuff.

 

[the high]

^^^
Disagree on the catch 22.

If #NoHymenNoDiamond,
Then #NoDiamondNoHymen.

In other words, if guys want to hold out and seek virgin brides, then those virgin girls should hold out and seek marriage for their virginity.

Don't let girls escape responsibility. THAT is how the West spreads.

"But he played me SO well, it's not my fault I got pumped and dumped!" =
"But she was SO hot, it's not my fault I got divorce-raped!"

Of course the western player isn't the only problem or even half of it, but it certainly doesn't help that many of us are the cock carousel.

Ideally, what we would be doing especially with the knowledge we have is locking down these feminine women and starting a family asap. Set an example.

It wouldn't immediately stop the encroachment of westernization but it's something.

 

[Anabasis to Desta]

I'm Ethiopian and came to the US for college. 3/4th of my Highschool graduating class did the same. In just 8 years ... almost all the cute, traditional girls I've known who in retrospect would have made excellent wives, have turned from looking like this ...

to this ...

90% of them have turned from upper class Ethiopian princess types to tattooed, mentally fucked ratchet sluts who twerk to "Rack City Bitch" and get Grey Goose poured into their mouths by some VIP host at a club in D.C or Atlanta. The saddest part is that my own little sister got her first tattoo this year and nose piercing couple weeks ago. Thinking about the little girl i used to teach how to ride a bike turning into Western trash breaks my heart. Calling her out on it would most likely backfire so i shut my mouth and let her do her do what she wants.

 

[262]

Players being the cock carousel does serve a purpose.

They "uncover" the girls who can't hold their emotions back for a ring. (More on this below.)

That line of thinking helps us answer the question, "Can you burn a virgin without fucking her?"

Yes, but only if she can't control her emotions.

It's the same as guys facing hundreds of approach rejections. In both cases, control of your emotions is required to keep going and stay true.

As for being 100% sure a girl is on Team Hymen, well, nothing is 100% sure. But with the experience that comes with trying to become a player, you can tell which girls are too comfortable with men and have little to no values, and which ones have little to no experience and plenty of values.

What I'm trying to get at is that I want guys to avoid the "man up and accept responsibility for any bullshit" mentality that GOP cuckservatives suggest to men.

Players are not responsible for Westernization. Westernization is responsible for enabling players.

 

[zigZag]

I agree, a girl SHOULD BE held responsible for her actions.

But I'm talking about a broader point of some good women regardless of team hymen being ruined.

You don't need to fuck a virgin to fuck her up in the head.

Remember that.

Speaking of Team Hymen, can you really be sure ?

She could suck a thousand dicks and STILL claim to be a complete pure virgin.

She could get DP'ed in the ass and STILL claim to be a complete virgin.

There are some fallacies in that line of thinking.

Yep. I remember a girl in high school told me she was a virgin even though she took it up the butt and gave a few BJs.... You really can't be sure.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

I agree its also the responsibility of the women to say no but when you spot a good girl, why seduce here for the sake of ruin her? Whats the gain of the temptation beside the sex? There are sluts out there, there are girls in the middle out there. On the other side I understand every man want to get laid and if its possible he will do it. The issue is when the intention to drop her is already there even if she is a good girl. Because some say they are either not ready to contribute something for a LTR, don't believe in it or whatever.

At the end its the struggle of life and everyone is on the quest for his or her own stuff.

What exactly, is a good girl? If she's a good girl, what's she doing choosing pump and dump playboys over the 80% of guys who are signalling their provider status?

Perhaps the idea that a woman is a good girl is just an illusion we use to protect our ego.

Perhaps it's just their nature to ride the carousel when the right social and legal environment presents itself.

Funny how women can portray herself as a raging slut or a good girl depending on how she wants you to perceive her.

Funny how a woman can go wild in her early 20s when she's still finding herself, but turn into a serious woman when she's ready to marry.

Women are the water in the teapot, they take the shape of whatever their environment and options demand of them. If it were otherwise, this thread would be superfluous.

 

[DaveR]

Yep. I remember a girl in high school told me she was a virgin even though she took it up the butt and gave a few BJs.... You really can't be sure.

In my experience with virgins (mostly in Russia), it's very easy to tell when a girl hasn't been naked in front of a man before. The difference in behaviour, how timid she is, etc. is like night and day. That still leaves the possibility of hand/blow jobs, but it's close enough for me to call her a virgin.

I would put this in the "don't listen to what women say" category... they'll hamster up some reason for anal and oral sex not counting and not even feel that they're lying.

 

[DaveR]

I hope all the men thinking about importing foreign wives to the US/UK are reading this thread!

 

[philosophical_recovery]

Anecdotes of 3 EE women:

One was a phd student who told me of how her grandparents were warning her about getting washed up. She had oodles of thirsty men providing her with trips and free stuff (only really a 6.5). She was a nerd's dream. Ultimately, she triggered my learning about roissy then Roosh.

One was a young "virgin". Looks like a brunette next girl pornstar. She stopped going to her parents church. After learning that she gave pornstar head, i found out about the guy she had loved for 2 years and refused to marry her. Would do atm almost on demand. Locked down a thug from her own culture that already had kids and probably was willing to go in debt to give her the bmw or merc she wanted.

The third was a late 20s fish fuck. Dumb, big tits, boring as fuck personality that also wanted to tie me up. Fuck that. Next. Constantly told me how good i was. I think she rode a bunch of lameasses who instantly came over her huge ass titties. Her body and personality didn't bring the freak out in me.

All 3 were born in EE and entered USA right before or after their teens.

Others:

A very low N count European that hid her fiance or whatever from me. Spent 2 weeks with her, moved, found out about the other guy and half jokingly called her a whore. I had swooped her almost fresh off the boat. She still messages me when she's lonely and congratulates me on my younger, hotter girlfriends.

I've mainly avoided asian women otherwise I'd probably have more stories. I'm forgetting some others I'm sure.

I've honestly found some sweeter american babes.

Not gonna mention the brits. No thank you. Not that they count anyway.

 

[xxMarco]

I have a family member who married this mexican fob basically. fresh from mexico they dated for a while and I was his room mate. Noticed the girl was really conservative, would cook almost everyday, clean up the house, shy, barely spoke english, and she really just seemed like a nice girl. They had a kid so I decided to move out.

Fast forward about 2 years and she's completely changed. She got a big ass tattoo on her back. she posts on facebook and instagram partying all the time, shes completely Americanized now. He even bought her a car to get around but she doesn't drive it because she's too embarrassed to be seen in a honda. A while ago I was at the club spitting game on this bird at the bar and out of nowhere my cousins wife comes up to me and shes like heyyy omg so happy to see you cockblocked my game. Then I was like so where is my cousin at, she's like oh well he's out of town for work and i'm here at the club with my girls. Thought to myself, shit, they got her too, why do these things happen.

Now my extended family is pretty much trying to slut shame the girl always gossiping about her and saying how wild she is and that she's no good. When a couple years ago she was the perfect girl.

Thats only one example of many. I have a feeling we're going to have to start shacking girls up and moving to middle of nowhere like Siberia. Roosh wrote about this on his blog about starting small communities and such.

 

[Brodiaga]

When I travel and look for girls online, It is generally a red flag if a girl spent a lot of time in an English speaking country or Western Europe. It's not that I avoid these girls completely, because I'm just looking for quick bangs anyway, but if I were looking for a long term relationship, I would definitely avoid them.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

Not what you'd expect considering the tone of this thread, but I wanted to share what is, thus far, an exception to the rule. My uncle, in his 50s at the time, brought over a Ukranian woman at maybe 20 years old who barely spoke any English. She seemed shy, but was a great cook and cleaned. My female relatives were up in arms, treating her and my uncle with contempt. Not because she was a bad woman, but looking back on it, because they didn't want any of their men to start getting the same idea.

Fast forward to today, he's in his late 60s and she's just turning 30. They just had a kid together. They look happy. How is this possible? I would venture a few guesses. My uncle is an attorney specializing in family and immigration law. That's a kind of soft power, where my aunt knows that whatever she'd try to pull, he'd be 3 steps ahead of her. The other thing is, she works for him as an assistant in his firm. It's just them. He's the boss, and because they spend all day together, he doesn't have to worry about her getting close with coworkers.

He's much older, but also has kept up pretty well for his age, and he's a charmer. They live out in the suburbs so her options aren't as wide. It could all change tomorrow, but she seems to have kept most of her old world values, and I think there's a decent chance it'll work out.