Anglo girls' lack of social skills/want to be approached[Abstract discussion thread]

[Heuristics]

My working theory is that #metoo culture, coupled with smartphones and modern attention spans has all but inoculated women to approaches. We could also add to that Tinder and associated dating apps which have put women in a situation where it is no longer necessary for men to approach them. In fact they get all the validation of men approaching them but no creepiness or drawn out interactions that are not desirable to her. With a dating app, or the internet, she can find everything out she wants to about you, compare you to other suitors, and then if she runs out of energy just use both you and your competitor for shits and giggles on a hungover Sunday. Anti-natalist trends that are becoming the norm in the West ensure that women's wombs are literally drying up while they take their pick of alpha dick (for both pre- and post- wall women), all while pursuing their meaningful career and adding to their cat collection.

Most women are not interesting and their dating profiles read like NPC dating profiles. When its a market skewed in favor of women (I'm absolutely convinced it is), women become ridiculously entitled, bitchy (especially in regards to politics), and generally they become boring to spend extended periods of time with. Most millennial women can not socialize, while paradoxically their social media/ technology IQ is high. Say one wrong line to one of these girls on your pick of communication modes and you're sunk. There's plenty of other betas willing to take your place.

 

[GT777733]

The absolute base reason for it if you really want to know is this:

Environment.

In Australia specifically, it's a risk-averse culture, with a high quality of living, with a good health care system and public benefits, with very liberal schools and media, with well paying jobs, parents who pay for things for their kids, with highly connected social circles at the top.

Both men and women already have much of what they need here. Most things are in excess - so people take the path of least resistance.

What pressure is there for both men and women here to take more risks, develop more self awareness, be more open, be more understanding, level up as a person, go outside their immediate social circles?

Very little. You've already got a family, a dog, a pet, a job, money, you travel, you probably are going to buy a house.

Let's compare that to a place like Russia.

Way more females than males. Lots of poverty in rural areas. Lots of competition between females (because there are many beautiful girls there). Way less excess opportunities and resources there so you have to work harder for what you get. It's just a lower quality society economically per capita in many ways (lots of very poor families, and standard of living for a lot of people can be harder) than a place like Australia. It's also a different culture to Australia with less liberalism - coming from ex communist times (which were very tough times).

An average girl born in Australia is born with a silver spoon in her mouth. A girl in Russia is more likely to be born with no spoon at all.

Which one do you think has more incentive to build character and engage with the outside world?

It's simple environmental evolutionary pressure.

It's mostly environment that creates most people. Very few people have the focus and willpower to turn out anything different than what their environment encourages them to be.

 

[GT777733]

One other thing I'd probably note is this - majority of pickup guys probably don't deserve some of the girls they approach, and/or they do it in completely the wrong way.

I say this because it takes a guy usually his entire 20's hustling to start building real value and rounding himself out. In addition to that, put yourself in the girls shoes. Me personally, I'd start getting pretty annoyed if every time I walked out the house, girls that were 6's or 7's and below came up and asked for my number or expected me to stop and talk to them while I was doing something or while I was trying to enjoy myself. I don't blame girls for coming across as bitchy or cold if this is happening to them regularly.

I don't think guys even think about that - the girl's experience.

As a guy, start being realistic about girls and cold approach. Work on maximising your value, and be both realistic and natural about the girls you approach and talk to.

 

[scrambled]

Are guys approaching that much inreal life, daygame? Hard to believe. It ain't easy.

 

[Rorogue]

It's not a lack of social skills...the anglo girls are withdrawing, they don't want to be randomly approached.

They don't want a random thug, Asian, indian, African wannbae players harassing them in the supermarket, shopping center, etc. etc

They have friends to impress, families to explain shit to, their own sense of identity...which is being eroded everyday

Some guys here discuss reclaiming culture and identity, and regret the problems that we have via immigration, etc

The anglo girls also see this, and they express it by withdrawing

They also don't want to be bothered by 70% of Anglo men.

I don't think it's national identity as much as hypergamy and what they deem as valuable.

A 6'3/muscular/famous/very good looking non white man will be invited to defile her.

They may have thoughts of tribalism but their biology will usually win out in this environment

 

[Sgt Donger]

RE: Anglo girls' lack of social skills/want to be approached[Abstract discussion

They also don't want to be bothered by 70% of Anglo men.

This is also true. More like they don't want to be bothered by 90% of Anglo men.

What is happening is that they want the top 10% of men (like all women do) and they are happy to be approached by the top 10% (or maybe top 20%), but it has to be in the right context for them. For some women the right context is when they are out at a club or on holidays etc...which is where a lot of pick-up talk happens and the women know that and allow themselves to be "picked-up".

However, the anglo girls can be a bit different. They have been brought up and educated with a mostly anglo-centric world view. But now the world is changing rapidly and they are not comfortable with the more aggressive American style pick-up routines, the in-your-face African guy routine, the rehearsed pick-up lines from others, and they don't feel comfortable being approached when they are in situations where traditionally they feel like they are just doing basic day-to-day stuff like shopping.

Sure, there are always ho's that are up for it. But I think we are talking about the higher level girls here, not the ho's or club sluts or tinderellas.

Maybe try looking at it from a different perspective. For example, are the traditional Chinese or Indian girls comfortable with being approached by people that are outside what they have been bought up with, educated with, what their family values would suggest that they should be doing and what they would be comfortable sharing with their friends?

For those guys that might suggest that anglo girls are just like all the other sluts and that they all want to get fucked up the arse by an exotic man...well, you have a lot to learn

 

[Kid Twist]

The absolute base reason for it if you really want to know is this:

Environment.

In Australia specifically, it's a risk-averse culture, with a high quality of living, with a good health care system and public benefits, with very liberal schools and media, with well paying jobs, parents who pay for things for their kids, with highly connected social circles at the top.

Both men and women already have much of what they need here. Most things are in excess - so people take the path of least resistance.

What pressure is there for both men and women here to take more risks, develop more self awareness, be more open, be more understanding, level up as a person, go outside their immediate social circles?

Very little. You've already got a family, a dog, a pet, a job, money, you travel, you probably are going to buy a house.

Let's compare that to a place like Russia.

Way more females than males. Lots of poverty in rural areas. Lots of competition between females (because there are many beautiful girls there). Way less excess opportunities and resources there so you have to work harder for what you get. It's just a lower quality society economically per capita in many ways (lots of very poor families, and standard of living for a lot of people can be harder) than a place like Australia. It's also a different culture to Australia with less liberalism - coming from ex communist times (which were very tough times).

An average girl born in Australia is born with a silver spoon in her mouth. A girl in Russia is more likely to be born with no spoon at all.

Which one do you think has more incentive to build character and engage with the outside world?

It's simple environmental evolutionary pressure.

It's mostly environment that creates most people. Very few people have the focus and willpower to turn out anything different than what their environment encourages them to be.

Solid gold. I'll note also that the first part I emphasized is the surroundings we (not all but almost all of us) evolved with as a dimorphic species. That's why now is so weird. Russia still retains old school society and roles of men and women, but more importantly has the reality check --- not just the idea --- of demographic pressure on women.

It's a snowball effect. More men = more weak [really, "average"] men and soft men, more resources for (with gov't providing for women and selling out men) which equals exponentially worse women for reasons stated, crazy feedback loop until the reset, whatever that means, takes place.

 

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

RE: Anglo girls' lack of social skills/want to

Me personally, I'd start getting pretty annoyed if every time I walked out the house, girls that were 6's or 7's and below came up and asked for my number or expected me to stop and talk to them while I was doing something or while I was trying to enjoy myself. I don't blame girls for coming across as bitchy or cold if this is happening to them regularly.

No. How many men are into day gaming and approach random chicks during the day? I'd say it's about 1-5% of the male population. It can't be happening too often. Besides that, most times women are just doing dull shit anyway on their phone. They're always just scrolling Instagram when you see them, aren't they?

It's not like these women are in the middle of a huge business deal with wealthy Arabs and are trying to arrange a meeting.

Or wait...

Actually?

Maybe

OH SHIT

:mindblown:

 

[Garuda]

There's a culture of disrespect now.

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/physician-american-children-immersed-culture-disrespect

We also have to factor in that these women are likely on medication, which screws up a person's train of thought. If they're on valium or oxy, there's no getting through to them.

 

[thedarkknight]

They also don't want to be bothered by 70% of Anglo men.

This is also true. More like they don't want to be bothered by 90% of Anglo men.

What is happening is that they want the top 10% of men (like all women do) and they are happy to be approached by the top 10% (or maybe top 20%), but it has to be in the right context for them. For some women the right context is when they are out at a club or on holidays etc...which is where a lot of pick-up talk happens and the women know that and allow themselves to be "picked-up".

However, the anglo girls can be a bit different. They have been brought up and educated with a mostly anglo-centric world view. But now the world is changing rapidly and they are not comfortable with the more aggressive American style pick-up routines, the in-your-face African guy routine, the rehearsed pick-up lines from others, and they don't feel comfortable being approached when they are in situations where traditionally they feel like they are just doing basic day-to-day stuff like shopping.

Sure, there are always ho's that are up for it. But I think we are talking about the higher level girls here, not the ho's or club sluts or tinderellas.

Maybe try looking at it from a different perspective. For example, are the traditional Chinese or Indian girls comfortable with being approached by people that are outside what they have been bought up with, educated with, what their family values would suggest that they should be doing and what they would be comfortable sharing with their friends?

For those guys that might suggest that anglo girls are just like all the other sluts and that they all want to get fucked up the arse by an exotic man...well, you have a lot to learn

The bold: You are right. I've always got the impression that Anglo girls may well be the most loyal and discriminatory women on earth. I'm serious. They have the most freedom and compared to say Indian women, who are every endogamous, there is no threat of disowning, honour killing, yet they settle with their own most of the time.

The italics: Very rational and sensible point.

Have a rep.

TDK

 

[The Catalyst]

I can't agree with the sentiment that Anglo girls are non-slutty, and at least in the case of NZ, most discriminatory.

Anglo girls have the highest notch counts of any girl and in NZ I see decent looking girls with guys that are relatively unattractive and/or losers all the time. Not at all what redpill keyboard jockeys say about value and shit.

Basically if you're in the social circle you're in like Flynn almost no matter how horrible you are and otherwise you're out almost no matter how good.

Also in NZ no one approaches anyone ever(roughly speaking). So it isn't that. In fact I believe I might be fucked over because of that(Anglo thinks/violation of expectation "who is this dude that's forcing me to be social?", instead of "oh, just another pickup/approacher trying his luck")

 

[thedarkknight]

I can't agree with the sentiment that Anglo girls are non-slutty, and at least in the case of NZ, most discriminatory.

Anglo girls have the highest notch counts of any girl and in NZ I see decent looking girls with guys that are relatively unattractive and/or losers all the time. Not at all what redpill keyboard jockeys say about value and shit.

Basically if you're in the social circle you're in like Flynn almost no matter how horrible you are and otherwise you're out almost no matter how good.

Also in NZ no one approaches anyone ever(roughly speaking). So it isn't that. In fact I believe I might be fucked over because of that(Anglo thinks/violation of expectation "who is this dude that's forcing me to be social?", instead of "oh, just another pickup/approacher trying his luck")

Maybe you're right. I don't have much experience with anglo women, to be honest.

TDK

 

[Manbeline]

Smartphone girls are the nerds of this generation. It is suppose to be the book nerd or computer geek not looking up from his laptop to socialize with the people around him. As the girls laugh and the guys boast in his environment, he is the only one lost in his own virtual world. Now we have the girls doing the same thing. And we all know what happens when you try to approach a computer geek. He freaks out and instantly retreats into his shell. I was friends with these types of people. It took ages to get them more open. You will not get a girl open like that in one night. This is a good foundation to the anti social anglo girl mindset, and may lead you all to clues as to how to get them to become normal again.

 

[Elmore]

Smartphone girls are the nerds of this generation. It is suppose to be the book nerd or computer geek not looking up from his laptop to socialize with the people around him. As the girls laugh and the guys boast in his environment, he is the only one lost in his own virtual world. Now we have the girls doing the same thing. And we all know what happens when you try to approach a computer geek. He freaks out and instantly retreats into his shell. I was friends with these types of people. It took ages to get them more open. You will not get a girl open like that in one night. This is a good foundation to the anti social anglo girl mindset, and may lead you all to clues as to how to get them to become normal again.

That's a pipe-dream frankly. Once a girl is into all that online gratification, or spending all day on WhatsApp, Tinder, God knows what else, then she isn't going to suddenly move past it. How many girls do you know who've ditched their social media? I can't think of any. I know a few (and it is a few sadly) who have never been into it. But once they get on that S-Media endorphin crack pipe, it's hard to come off.

Same applies to men most likely, to varying degrees.

 

[VNvet]

This is a good foundation to the anti social anglo girl mindset, and may lead you all to clues as to how to get them to become normal again.

Here's how you get Anglo women to behave well again:

1. Illegal for women to vote.

Everything else will fall into place once we get that solved.

It's the only culture wide solution.

 

[AntoniusofEfa]

The system is just generally fucked. There is a very good reason why women were traditionally not given many powers: they just did not know how to use them properly.

One of the few upsides to the current world we live in,is that no one pressures men in the west to get married. This means that we all have more time to work on ourselves, gather wealth, and plan our tax structure so that the state and government get as little as possible from our incomes.

From my experience in Germany, the younger girls here respond well to a a day game approach, as long as the guy approaching them looks good, and has some sort of demonstrable status. I had to get at least decent in day game, since I do not have the benefit of having a social circle with women in it, as I am studying and working in a STEM field. The chances of rejection during day game are high, but I find the experience much more pleasant than using any sort of an Online app.

I am actually not sure that social circle is the best thing for an average guy anyway. Most of the ones I know who met their LTR's or wives in a social circle type of a situation (work, Uni class) are rather miserable, generally clueless and could have done better for themselves.

 

[Elmore]

I am actually not sure that social circle is the best thing for an average guy anyway. Most of the ones I know who met their LTR's or wives in a social circle type of a situation (work, Uni class) are rather miserable, generally clueless and could have done better for themselves.

Agree with this. For the average person, how big a pool is their social circle? Ten years ago you'd have said people are dumb to be settling on social circle for meeting girls, but then the rest of the arenas have gotten so much more worse in that time, that maybe in this day and age iit seems the best of a bad lot.

 

[nek]

The absolute base reason for it if you really want to know is this:

Environment.

In Australia specifically, it's a risk-averse culture, with a high quality of living, with a good health care system and public benefits, with very liberal schools and media, with well paying jobs, parents who pay for things for their kids, with highly connected social circles at the top.

Both men and women already have much of what they need here. Most things are in excess - so people take the path of least resistance.

What pressure is there for both men and women here to take more risks, develop more self awareness, be more open, be more understanding, level up as a person, go outside their immediate social circles?

Very little. You've already got a family, a dog, a pet, a job, money, you travel, you probably are going to buy a house.

Let's compare that to a place like Russia.

Way more females than males. Lots of poverty in rural areas. Lots of competition between females (because there are many beautiful girls there). Way less excess opportunities and resources there so you have to work harder for what you get. It's just a lower quality society economically per capita in many ways (lots of very poor families, and standard of living for a lot of people can be harder) than a place like Australia. It's also a different culture to Australia with less liberalism - coming from ex communist times (which were very tough times).

An average girl born in Australia is born with a silver spoon in her mouth. A girl in Russia is more likely to be born with no spoon at all.

Which one do you think has more incentive to build character and engage with the outside world?

It's simple environmental evolutionary pressure.

It's mostly environment that creates most people. Very few people have the focus and willpower to turn out anything different than what their environment encourages them to be.

Very solid post. I get a chuckle when people talk about the caliber of people from the Greatest Generation as being better. As if, they were somehow genetically different in some way vice generations afterwards. Plenty of guys in that generation that became hardened due to economic depression/war would've ended up as gamer soyboys had they been born in the 80s/90s instead.

The amount of people that are self-motivated enough to pursue greatness independent of environmental pressures is far and few between, but they usually shine. For you guys that follow MMA, think GSP, Penn, etc. Neither came from poverty - BJ is rich - yet they still WANTED to get in a cage and fight savages.

 

[nek]

All of this is just regressing to the mean of human social dynamics.