Anti-Boomer Sentiment: Identity Politics

Papaya

Peacock
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TigOlBitties said:
Boomers do give a lot of shitty advice, especially regarding college.

They say go to college to find yourself and get an education, or you'll be a loser without it. Meanwhile in reality, you don't need a bunch of useless classes to be educated in today's world. We have easy access to an incredible amount of information. You also don't need adult day care, I mean college, to find yourself. This can be accomplished by working multiple jobs after high school, travelling, volunteering, researching things on your own, meeting people on your own, etc.

They give feel good advice and say to major in your passion. This may have worked in the past when any bachelor's degree was still impressive and the costs weren't out of control, but the economy is different and the amount of people going to college has skyrocketed, diminishing the value of a degree. And to add to this point, they don't stress the importance of keeping college costs/debt as low as possible, and how important it is to graduate with an employable degree, or at the very least have a plan for why you're going to college.

A lot of conservative boomers will rightfully bitch about the Marxists on campuses brainwashing their kids and creating insane SJWs. But then they'll still send their kids to these colleges, and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process, further contributing to the problem and keeping cockcucker leftists in positions of power.

Boomers also act like blue collar workers are losers, when many of these guys are making six figures without any debt, make more than many college graduates and have better job satisfaction and all kinds of career opportunities. It's also possible to work white collar jobs without a degree, mainly in things like sales, tech, supply chain, etc. But no one ever mentions this.

You don't need college to be successful, and in many cases it will make becoming successful even harder. It should only be utilized for people that desire careers that actually require certain degrees.

Ill ask you the same question...So what exactly does boomers' points of view have to do with the outcomes you desire in your life as of now and moving forward?
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
Grodin said:
I think Trump was a compromise between gen x and boomers

Trump is a Boomer.













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rpg

Ostrich
Ever work for a boomer? Holy shit they are terrible greedy motherfuckers with not even a clue about how to groom leadership and loyalty.
I went self employed for a while because of boomers and now work with Gen X.
Most boomers will be out of the workplace shortly. They are old and sick.
Millenial liberals are like boomers but more shrill and not convincing at all with their bullshit.
 

Nordwand

Kingfisher
The problem for me is their dismissal of the young as feckless and lazy, combined with a refusal to admit that their success is largely a case of benefitting from prevailing economic circumstances, rather than being due to their financial acumen. They didn't have it easy (I don't think the rank and file ever have), but they certainly had it easier than todays youngsters.
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
Nordwand said:
The problem for me is their dismissal of the young as feckless and lazy

Well, apparently Millenials have the worst high school employment rate ever, so there's some truth to that. Aside from guys like us, Millenials have the worst work ethic in the history of mankind.

According to the (Obama) White House:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/millennials_report.pdf

Millennials, in particular, have been less likely to work while enrolled in high school. Since 2000, labor force participation rates among high school and college students have fallen more sharply than those who are not enrolled...The result is that more students are focused exclusively on their studies during school years.

Again, I refer to Aaron Clarey:

 

N°6

Hummingbird
I don’t blame millennials for trying to avoid working during school and college at all - given that the value of academic qualifications has decreased but the cost as increased.
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
N°6 said:
I don’t blame millennials for trying to avoid working during school and college at all - given that the value of academic qualifications has decreased but the cost as increased.

Wouldn't that be just more motivation to work on the side and save money?
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
I think there was a period that was at it's peak starting from about 10 years ago until now that a lot of young adults were marched into a life of student debt servitude while being trapped in a shitty job market by the time they graduated college.

I don't think it falls 100% to a high school graduate to be able to see the writing on the wall. They're still just kids. The prevailing advice at the time was still simply "pick something you like and get a degree".

Talk about shit advice from lazy parents. People from that era are justified in being just a little bit angry about where they've ended up in life, but they have their parents to blame for that, not the boomers.
 
The main beef with the boomers comes from the fact that they defined themselves as, or allowed their generation to be defined (speaking about boomer "conservatives" here) as one that "sought to make great changes" because they thought they knew better than our forefathers, and...oh I don't know...thousands of years of human history...and that we are now dealing with much of the fallout from such poor, arrogant decision making.

Most of the cultural changes that occurred because of the boomers, occurred during the 60's when they were still young, feckless, and bratty. Their parents really should be more to blame. Why are most millennials faggy soyboys or feminists? Because their parents were boomers. Ok so who raised the boomers?

I think the greatest generation probably could have cracked the whip harder on them than they did. Hell this was BEFORE every institution in the fucking country had been taken over by card-carrying marxists, so what fucking excuse do they have for letting this happen on their watch?

@PapayaTapper


So what exactly does boomers' points of view have to do with the outcomes you desire in your life as of now and moving forward?


Kinda funny how neither of those posters had an answer. Probably haven't thought much further than finger pointing and the sky is falling rhetoric.

So in summary...yes boomers suck. My personal bone to pick with them is the rise of cheesy corporate america crap. I hate that shit. They also inherited the most prosperous economy ever to exist and somehow turned it into a massive debt. But PT is right...what are you going to do about it? Because that's what matters.

I think the hatred from the right of the boomers is more aimed at cuckservatives, which are basically boomer conservatives. They seemed to be (and still seem to be) utterly ineffectual. Thus far, they have not even managed to conserve the women's restroom...literally. They love to bitch about the media, but never developed their alternatives (fox news is the exception) and in the big picture LOST THE CULTURE by being so fucking uncool. That actually started with George HW and not Reagan. HW's had a slogan "A kinder and gentler America" or something to that affect.

Where Boomer Leftists seemed cutthroat, cunning, brutal, and evil..they were EFFECTIVE. Right wing boomers, not so much.
 

N°6

Hummingbird
Perhaps not. When only 10-20% went to university when the elite boomers came of age, a graduate could still get a well paid job with a Third or a 2:2 and thus he could afford to lose study time with a part-time job.

Also, student labour has largely been replaced by more reliable migrant labour. When the boomers were young, Western labour markets were closed shops owing to widespread acceptance of the reserve labour pool theory.

In the boomers’ defence, they tended to live more spartan student lives (living in dorms and eating in college canteens) as access to usury was limited.
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
^^Fair points.

Regarding the raising of Boomers, it was only natural; the Greatest Generation grew up during the Great Depression/Dust Bowl, then lived through World War II. That's essentially 16 straight years of insanity that most of us can't even imagine. This is what Millenials don't get when they rail against the post-war period too; a white picket fence, Leave It To Beaver lifestyle wasn't Hell, it was a blessing after the previous 16 years for many. Anyway, the Greatests were bound to spoil their kids rotten after what they went through. The fact that they inherited the greatest economy ever didn't help matters.

Or put another way:

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Suits

 
Super_Fire said:
Well, apparently Millenials have the worst high school employment rate ever, so there's some truth to that. Aside from guys like us, Millenials have the worst work ethic in the history of mankind.

According to the (Obama) White House:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/millennials_report.pdf

Millennials, in particular, have been less likely to work while enrolled in high school. Since 2000, labor force participation rates among high school and college students have fallen more sharply than those who are not enrolled...The result is that more students are focused exclusively on their studies during school years.

Lazier high school students or fewer jobs available to high school students?
 
You guys assume somehow that the boomer generation created itself.

They were the first ones who were bombarded beginning in the 1950s and then continuing in the 1960s with cultural marxism 24/7.

"Don't trust anyone above 30." was designed to make them distrust the previous generations.
All the rebel movies that Hollywood spat out in the 1950s with James Dean were designed to spit at the previous generations. Those movies were clever propaganda of making the "old guys" who fought in WWII and lived through the depression appear like capitalist squares.

Outright communism was beginning to be taught at universities and if you look back at the 60s and the 70s even there was a lot of actually marxist leaning in the US at least for certain parts of the country.

Generations only partly are shaped organically in our times. Most of it is done by the media, entertainment, current-day economic and political climate, wars and lack of wars. Fucault and other intellectual thinkers came into being back in the 1960s, there was also Vietnam with the boomers fighting that conflict - never forget that. Rambo was a boomer as well.

The advice that boomers give about college, rolling up your sleeves and going to work is based on the fact that they had it simply easier. In the 1960s a lowly unskilled steel mill workers could pay down a house in 10 years, pay for 2 cars, a non-working house wife and 2 kids. That began to change in the 1970s and was only ameliorated in the 80s due to an economic boom and the advent of credit cards and the necessity to women to start working to keep up with the same lifestyle.

Generation X came upon a totally different time that was rather directionless, but the indoctrination picked up a notch with the Millennial. Also Xers and Millennials each have deteriorating economic conditions (more immigration, less entry level and teenager-jobs, lower real disposable income, more competition, massive off-shoring, huge cost-ratio of education).

In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

Also in terms of economics - the unskilled steel worker from the 1960s made more money in tersm of real disposable income than a middle manager at most corporations in the 2010s. You just don't realize it as much as anyone is in debt through the eyeballs, both spouses are working, credit cards are readily available and loaded up and the mortgage runs 30 years instead of the 10 years that was common in the 60s and even 70s.

The boomers don't know better.
The Xes don't know better.
The Millennials don't know better.
And the Zs might know better, but they haven't hit college yet - most of them - so we don't know how bad those fuckers will turn out.

To break free from all of that would have meant that you have access to knowledge in order to see it as propaganda and see beyond it - also understand the underlying forces trying to shape your mind and accept the changing nature of the environment. Advice form the 1960s would not have helped you in the 80s, 90s and certainly not 2010s. And the climate is changing ever faster.

The indoctrination continues unabated in this late stage of Rome.
 
Zelcorpion said:
In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

I just want to note that US universities are among the most capistalistic institutions on earth, as they own much of the property in their cities, granting entrance into the middle class and the professions. The richer ones are run by Goldman Sachs and Wall street. Compare that with Europe, where universities are owned by the state.

You could still call US universities "neo-marxist," and explain the banks that own them "globalist." But that is hard to swallow when there is a much more obvious and more plausible explanation. US universities embody classical American liberalism. Identity politics and capitalism go hand in hand. This bullshit originated in America, not Europe.
 

Que enspastic

Ostrich
Gold Member
My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the importance that relative inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.
 

Que enspastic

Ostrich
Gold Member
My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the important inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.
 
churros said:
Zelcorpion said:
In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

I just want to note that US universities are among the most capistalistic institutions on earth, as they own much of the property in their cities, granting entrance into the middle class and the professions. The richer ones are run by Goldman Sachs and Wall street. Compare that with Europe, where universities are owned by the state.

You could still call US universities "neo-marxist," and explain the banks that own them "globalist." But that is hard to swallow when there is a much more obvious and more plausible explanation. US universities embody classical American liberalism. Identity politics and capitalism go hand in hand. This bullshit originated in America, not Europe.


If you honestly think that university tuitions across the entire country went up like crazy just because of capitalism and they did it organically, then I cannot help you mate.

The crap has been on the rise for two reasons:

1) Ability of every student to get government funded almost unlimited student debt - get every serf started with debt makes for obedient serfs

2) All the diversity and political stuff costs cash like Diversity Commissars who make 350.000$/year and the administrative staff is as big as the teaching staff. In the past the teachers were over 90% of the staff and administration was a tiny part - sometimes the teachers did part of the administrative tasks.

This is not something organic, but is top-down and has jack-shit to do with true liberalism. John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Izerbyt Thompson detailed all of this in massive books.
 
Zelcorpion said:

OK but the debt model is widespread in America, and an idiosyncratic part of US capitalism. Credit cards, homes, cars. No?

To focus on diversity bureaucrats is a little disingenuous. I hate it as much as you do. But bloat is omnipresent in universities, due to their expansion into property, sports, and so on.

Bloat comes from HR. HR is essentially a capitalistic managerial enterprise. They allow the owners (Goldman Sachs) to control and passify the serfs.
 

Nordwand

Kingfisher
Que enspastic said:
My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the important inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.

A very succinct post, bearing out my experience that the ones who do get it are very sympathetic; sadly most don't/aren't.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
What happened to godfather dust?

The OP was actually a very level headed and mature post for someone as young as thirty. He is seeing through the matrix to the divide and conquer strategies that keep us at each others' throats while the elite sip sweet tea with gold flakes in it so they get shiny shits.

Millennials, Gen X, and Boomers are far more like each other than they are different from each other, and have more in common with each than they do with people from most of the rest of the world of any age.

Just like Western women have far more privilege than any other group in history except for a tiny minority of rich white guys.

Dialectics abide.

I'm a tail end boomer, too young for Woodstock, Vietnam, Free Love, and you know what? My parents, Silent Generation folk, were the ones smoking weed and wearing hippie leather jackets and peace signs, and squandering money on weird projects, and getting all New Age and pop psych in their views, giving loads of bad advice, and living the bad advice they gave.

When I think of all the insane people they invited over for dinner, or just to *rap,* it gives me the shakes. Brainless hippies who thought they had all the answers with no visible means of support, for their lives or their ideas. My siblings and I just would look at each other and roll our eyes at the insane adults who had no clue. Sometimes we would get in trouble for imitating the accents and affectations of speech of these people at the dinner table.

I am in a way confirming what Zelco was saying, looking back and seeing the social engineering for what it was, but also, just saying, that all the things you guys are saying about boomers, many of them true, we were saying about our parents of the Silent Generation and it was equally true.

Also, back then, trust for politicians was still higher as well as information sparser, so you couldn't Google something, you had to really go and search out information you wanted, and, like all people of every generation, when someone is telling you what you want to hear, you don't sweat the details.

I wouldn't even be surprised if defining yourself as your generation is something cooked up in the think tanks of the elite institution in order to alienate people from each other, and generation from generation.

It's working pretty good.

(P.S. That Heather MacDonald is criminally underappreciated.)
 
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