Anti Christian memes refutation thread

EgoDeath

Robin
Non-Christian
Proselytize by rebuking, debunking and refuting 4chan's (mostly) anti Christian memes "with facts and logic".

Post meme(s), have at them or let the learned brothers have a go with zeal and rigour.

Here are a 3 to kick things off.


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Whoever made the "Christianity has never been tried" meme does not appear to have a solid grasp of what Christianity is. Basically, he just points out some stuff done by Christians and identifies it as Christianity. But we actually have a standard by which to judge if people's actions are Christian: the gospel. And if someone needs concrete examples of what living out the Gospel looks like in the post-Biblical world, he needs only to read the lives of the saints - those who the Church has identified as particularly good role models for the Christian life. Not the people who sacked Constantinople.

It's an obvious parody of "real communism has never been tried before". But the obvious difference is that communism seeks to build an earthly utopia, and humanity's innate inability to implement "real communism" is one of the primary reasons we should cease attempting to. Whereas Christianity looks forward to a heavenly utopia, and the fact that we fail at it is the reason why we need it in the first place. They that are well do not need a physician.

Lastly, some of the examples don't even make sense, like blaming the burning of the Library of Alexandria on the Christians. The fact that some Christians destroyed what little was left after the pagans let it fall to pieces hardly puts Christianity at fault for such a tragic loss of Greek wisdom. And if Christian civilization is so backwards, why exactly would anyone be upset that the crusaders sacked Constantinople? The examples were not carefully picked.

The maker of the meme needs our prayers.
 

JoeChill

Robin
Protestant
Gold Member
The neo-pagans love to complain about Emperor Theodosius' persecution of the pagans, but they never consider the context in which that persecution arose. For starters, they completely ignore the countless persecutions Christians suffered at the hands of pagans long before Emperor Theodosius assumed the throne.

The anti-Theodosius/Christianity meme also ignores the fact that Emperor Constantine appointed both Christians and pagans to the highest positions in the empire. 56% of the men appointed to high office by Emperor Constantine were Christian, 18% were pagan, and the remainder were of unknown/undisclosed faith (see page 57 of Bearing False Witness by Rodney Stark. It's safe to assume that most of the unknown/undisclosed appointees were pagan given that pagans made up the majority of the empire's population. If Christianity was so hateful to non-believers, why did the Christian Emperor Constantine continue to make public funds available to pagan temples, appoint pagans to high office, and call for religious toleration in his famous Edict to the Palestinians?

So why did the relations between Roman Christians and pagans, which were relatively good under Emperor Constantine, sour? Enter Julian the Apostate. Once Julian assumed the throne, he became haughty in his contempt of the Galileans (his derogatory term for Christians) and set about antagonizing the Christian population of the Roman Empire.

Julian the Apostate did not continue the bloody persecution of older pagan emperors, but he did discriminate against Christians and even closed his eyes to the murder of Christians living in the Roman Empire. He condoned the torture of several bishops, exiled others, and ignored the "summary executions that seem to have taken place in large numbers in central and southern Syria during [his] reign." Thus, there was no imperial response when the "holy virgins [in Heliopolis] were rent limb from limb and their remains thrown to the pigs."

Pagans in Alexandria became emboldened by Julian the Apostate's hatred of Christianity and decided to torture the city's Christian bishop (tearing the poor man limb from limb) and crucifying many Christians. Julian did not bother to lift a finger to avenge the deaths of these (and other) innocents. Instead, he had the nerve to use the bishop's death as an opportunity to steal the bishop's library for himself!

Julian revived the sacrifice of animals, annoying Christians. He removed state funding for churches while keeping state funding for pagan temples. He fired Christians from high office and replaced them with pagans. He even went so far as to make it illegal for Christians to teach the classics! Why did this matter? Without training in the classics, Christians couldn't join elite/upper class society.

Julian then squandered Roman/White lives and treasure on a disastrous war with the Persian Empire, causing Rome to lose territory and effectively ending Roman influence in Mesopotamia! https://www.historynet.com/julians-gamble-desert.htm

When their government turned on them, banned them from employment, looked the other way while they were being murdered, discriminated against them, and humiliated itself on the international stage, is it any wonder why Christians like Theodosius began to treat pagans harshly? They did it because they feared the rise of another Julian the Apostate and a renewal of Christian suffering!

Lastly, please keep in mind that /pol/ users, and other WN types, are first and foremost propagandists. They are not interested in a nuanced understanding of history, all they want to do is present Christians in the worst light possible. They will never point out any examples of Christians and pagans living in harmony. Contrary to what /pol/ would have us believe, paganism wasn't rapidly extinguished through overwhelming violence. It died a slow, lingering death. The pagan academy at Athens did not close until 529 and "even in most Christian Eddessa [...] organized communities of pagans were still sacrificing to Zeus-Hadad in the last quarter of the sixth century." When Muslim forces threatened Carrhea (Harran) in 639, pagans outnumbered Christians in that city, all of the delegates sent to treat with the Muslims were pagans.
 

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Lawrence87

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Basically anyone in the West who criticises Christianity on moral grounds is a retarded hypocrite. They don't realise that the morality they espouse is derived from Christianity. Of course there is plenty of examples of Christians not acting Christian throughout history, but this is not a refutation of Christian morality. And as I said you can't really criticise these morals whilst using them.
 

Arktos

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
"Christianity has never been tried"

It's an obvious parody of "real communism has never been tried before".
This really displays how they approach these issues as struggles between different secular societal ideologies, not as serious theological, spiritual or metaphysical questions. They really can’t fathom the fact that there are people now and in the past who actually believe in a living God. They always frame ancient paganism as some sort of deeply “psychological” and philosophical approach to natural phenomena, however thanks to historical record and archeology we know that the ancients quite literally believed in bearded men throwing spears and hammers from the sky and prayers to them were not only symbolical acts but genuine requests for aid. Why would they sacrifice perfectly good lifestock just as a symbolical act?

EDIT, here are some links about the library and ancient learning. They are written for ignorant atheists but then again all neopagans, especially the white nationalist variety are essentially atheist, so they should answer their criticisms.


 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
The meme that Christianity, or any religion as a matter of fact, is ''misogynistic''. The more I understand about natural male/female roles that's, as to be expected in the reversed truth world, the biggest crock of nonsense I've ever heard.

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