Any of you guys MMA fans?

TravelerKai

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Dr Mantis Toboggan said:
That is terrifying.
It can be.

I used to HATE grappling tournaments way back in the day, when it was not really cage fighting back then but Pancrase/Shooto (the only strikes allowed were slaps) style NAGA-ish stuff, and I would have wrestlers as opponents.

I was doing BJJ and Judo only at the time, and these cornfed fuckers from the midwest and the military were just strong as fuck Greco-Roman/Freestyle wrestlers. Some of them could toss you into the air and would slam you any chance they got. There is nothing more frustrating than applying a lock (arm, triangle, key, etc.) and then the fucker gets up and picks you up while the lock is still on and just smashes you to get loose. Some of them could just use their fingers and hands and literally PEEL your lock OFF their bodies. Just stupid ridiculous strong. Like some Kurt Angle shit.

BJJ/Judo teaches you to stay calm and work diligently, but Wrestling is full power, full speed, non-stop motor running fuck you power until the whistle. Their entire style is predicated on pressure.

I thought when I got my purple belt things were gonna get easier. NAH!

All that did was just show me that I need to do Strength & Conditioning and learn kettlebells. Work on my neck strength and do finger/grip exercises.

Once I got to a certain level on that, then I had to learn how to bait submissions to make them peel out an escape then roll them into another submission until they get a mental fart and get fully locked in for the tap. That's the normal progression for anyone going from purple -> black belt, but still.... it's still an annoyance to deal with in submission grappling and unless someone explains it to you, you will never understand it and may burn out and quit out of frustration.
 

Cr33pin

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The only changing of my mind is changing from liking this thread and the views in it to probably not bothering anymore.... The choke debate is one thing and I'm fine with having different opinion on it.... but then to trash Robbie Lawlers performance as weak and claim he wouldn't be able to beat anyone else... and that the slam was nothing more then wasted energy. I'm 100% done

I love you bro's as bros and certainly respect pretty much everything you have ever said in every other thread an will continue to do so.... but in MMA thread......... you're dead to me
 

TravelerKai

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Also, some men are just physical freaks of nature.

Dennis Rogers, Mark Henry, Kurt Angle, Eddie Hall, Brian Shaw, Dan Severn, Matt Hughes, Rampage Jackson, Silva, Feydor, James Harrison, Terrell Owens, Saquan Barkely, etc. Of course cannot forget Ben Askren!

Their tendons tightness are way beyond normal men's typical specification. They can perform super human like feats and can do things to other professional men that others cannot do. Just getting into an entanglement with some of these guys I listed could get your limbs ripped out of socket or severely dislocated. Dennis Rogers can pull a persons skin off their arm, I think Dan had similar strength to Dennis too.

As for some of these dudes being on TRT or other possible roids, yeah that does matter a little bit, but me being on TRT does not qualify me to deadlift anywhere near what Eddie Hall or Mark Henry can lift either. I could run augmented on AAS and train everyday my entire life and still not be able to lift even half of what Eddie can lift.

Power is always number one fellas. Always!
 

TravelerKai

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Cr33pin said:
The only changing of my mind is changing from liking this thread and the views in it to probably not bothering anymore.... The choke debate is one thing and I'm fine with having different opinion on it.... but then to trash Robbie Lawlers performance as weak and claim he wouldn't be able to beat anyone else... and that the slam was nothing more then wasted energy. I'm 100% done

I love you bro's as bros and certainly respect pretty much everything you have ever said in every other thread an will continue to do so.... but in MMA thread......... you're dead to me
LOOL!

Don't be like that. I do not think Lawler is 100% done for the record. I thought he did okay, just not enough to beat Ben. He certainly is better than most of the young dudes that fight on the free TV shows. He certainly isn't the worst in his division.

I will say that he is definitely past his prime though. Probably should retire within a few years for sure.
 

Fortis

Crow
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You can be skinny and on roids, you can also be fat and on roids. A lot of those super lean distance runners could be on TRT and you'd never know.

Same with fat-as-fuck power lifters.

Being on roids is not an instant recipe for a shredded physique. Fedor was monstrously strong. He could have easily still been on testosterone.

Anyway, I only posted that because Teut claims it's a weak mindset to believe that everyone is cheating in sports and that only the cheaters really win. JJ has been caught many times and he's butchering the competition. DC? never popped once and he's eating losses to JJ like burgers.

I won't go too deep into this, but if there are millions on the line, guys are cheating. If you don't believe that, then I think you guys aren't really reading this forum.
 
I'd disagree that Lawler's performance was weak. Nobody has ever given Ben Askren a beating like that. He took more damage in that fight than his whole career with One FC.

Lawler could still guve anyone in the top 10 a bad day in the office.
 

Fortis

Crow
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Cr33pin, of course it's nothing personal. You know it ain't like that. :lol:

Lawler is still decent but I think his best days are way, way over.

Askren is pretty much a pure wrestler. He has 0 hands. Lawler has great takedown defense and he's a way better striker and he was unable to put down Askren despite landing some "big" hits on him. Lawler should have been able to finish Askren but I think he's just weak now.

That slam absolutely was wasted energy. I'm sorry but it was. He would have been better off keeping Askren standing and landing at will like he was doing. Pcking up and slamming a wrestler of askren's caliber is just giving the dude time to rest. He's too hardened from years of rolling around on mats to get seriously damaged from that. It was pretty, though. I will admit that much.

I'm of the opinion that Lawler only was able to even do any of that because Askren has no hands. If he had been fighting someone with some stand up I think he would have gotten himself TKO'd fast. He is just not as strong as he used to be.

It's easy to look good when your opponent has a big hole in their defense but I don't see what was so amazing about Lawler's performance when he was literally controlling the fight and landing shots at will and was unable to finish someone.

Of course, you could just say Askren is that good, but I think we also need to admit that Lawler needs to retire soon.
 
Askren himself said that slam nearly knocked him out. The only reason Lawler was able to land that ground and pound on Askren (whos the G&P king) was because he was dazed from that slam.

Lawler has taken an ungodly amount of punishment during his career, but some people are just built differently. Hes still a terminator.
 

Fortis

Crow
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Askren could be being polite. Fighters say things like that all the time. Just like Lawler says he was not out from the bulldog choke. You can go out for a second and not even know it. The way his hand went limp is too suspect. Everyone keeps saying it was him trying to conserve energy as he waited out the choke, but I don't see it.

Also, knowing that Lawler is an amazing G&P fighter only further reinforces my claim that he really isn't "back." If he was really as good as everyone keeps saying he was that night, he would have finished Askren. He had every advantage going for him and then he still got put out. Tried to maul

He looks good if you just look at the fact that he was moving forward the entire time, but when you step back and think about it, all that aggression should have been more than enough to put away a guy with no stand-up game, but it wasn't. I think he's lost something these past few years and it shows.

He's officially gatekeeper status to me, like Jacare.
 

Oberrheiner

Kingfisher
Fortis said:
You can be skinny and on roids, you can also be fat and on roids. A lot of those super lean distance runners could be on TRT and you'd never know.

Same with fat-as-fuck power lifters.

Being on roids is not an instant recipe for a shredded physique. Fedor was monstrously strong. He could have easily still been on testosterone.
Sure, you can look like anything on roids.
However when you are a world-level athlete, and train daily, and are on roids, I don't see how you get or keep a worse-than-dad bod.

Doesn't mean he doesn't do other things of course.
Konstantinov had a couple videos where we talked about what they did and it was pretty crazy honestly (bloodletting, plasmapharesis, etc).
 

Wutang

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Brazilian amateur MMA fighter punches guy who is whacking off to her during her beach photoshoot

https://nypost.com/2019/04/19/mma-f...w&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

The 27-year-old was taking part in a swimwear photo shoot where a male individual is claimed to have performed a sex act in Rio de Janeiro.

The Brazilian fighter has stated that the person in question, named in reports as Josenei Viana Ferreira, 26, began masturbating in front of her and an unnamed friend.

Vieira — a specialist in Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu — decided to take action after the man refused to speak to her about what he was doing.

“When I looked over there he had his shorts down and was standing on a path where people pass all the time, including children,” Vieira said. “He was visibly erect, making sounds and moaning.”
 

Ringo

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From MMA Junkie:

UFC's Yoel Romero wins tainted supplement lawsuit, awarded $27 million in damages

Yoel Romero’s name has been further cleared of wrongdoing after a failed drug test from 2016 was proven to have stemmed from a tainted supplement.

Romero (13-3 MMA, 9-2 UFC) on Tuesday won a lawsuit based in New Jersey against Gold Star Performance Products with total damages of $27.45 million, according to Romero’s agent, Abraham Kawa. The UFC middleweight sued the company after a failed drug test caused him to be suspended from competition by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

According to Romero’s team, which includes attorney Howard Jacobs and Kawa, the breakdown of the damages was roughly $3 million for lost wages, $3 million for reputable harm and $3 million for emotional damage. The damages triple when a company is “found out to have committed consumer fraud,” per the New Jersey “Consumer Fraud Act.”

Romero shared his reaction to the news on social media (via Twitter):

@YoelRomeroMMA
God is always good #iseeyousoonboi thank you @Abraham_kawa @FirstRoundMgmt @malkikawa @athleteslawyer #iluhju

In February 2016, Romero was informed by USADA that he tested positive for the banned substance Ibutamoren. Facing a potential two-year suspension, Romero immediately claimed innocence and pointed to a tainted supplement for the issue.

USADA confirmed that the supplement was provided to them, and they were able to confirm the presence of Ibutamoren – which was not listed as an ingredient – and Romero was suspended six months.

In January 2018, reports surfaced Romero had officially filed legal action against Gold Stare Performance Products. More than year later, his pursuit bared fruit (via Instagram).

"He looked me in the eyes and said “Ibra! I don’t do nothing!” I told him I’d fight with him all the way through. Today we won and we won big, sure $27.45mil is a lot of money and I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t. That was not what we expected going into this thing but as I told @yoelromeromma after, God is always good and always on time! So we stopped and he got himself a watch before we headed back home #frm"

Given the relatively small scope of Gold Star Performance Products compared to supplement industry leaders, it remains to be see what percentage of the $27.45 million Romero will receive before the company is devoid of cashflow and assets and forced to file for bankruptcy.

Romero is currently scheduled to fight Paulo Costa in a key middleweight bout at UFC 242 on Aug. 17. The event takes place at Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif, and airs on pay-per-view following prelims expected on ESPN and ESPN+.
Actual footage of Yoel and his lawyer shortly after the sentencing:

 

RiskIt4Biscuit

Sparrow
Gold Member
" Given the relatively small scope of Gold Star Performance Products compared to supplement industry leaders, it remains to be see what percentage of the $27.45 million Romero will receive before the company is devoid of cashflow and assets and forced to file for bankruptcy."

How does this work in the US?
Any realistic chance Romero gets the money or can companies easily avoid the punishment?
 

Cr33pin

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Gold Member

Also I only had Jon Jones winning the third and fourth rounds of his fight... so he should have lost the belt. But you know what they say "In order to be the champ you gotta beat the champ"
 

bgbusiness

Kingfisher
I went to Hooters with a friend to watch the fight.

Nate Diaz vs Jorge Masvidal was disappointing at least. So much hype before the fight, maybe that's why I felt disappointed.
I am sure they both got half mil or a mil purse for their fight and both are financially well off, but still wanted it to be one of the biggest fight so that they can have their NEXT fight which can be bigger.

Oh well, looking forward to UFC 245 where 3 titles are on the line.
I am also going to watch Fight Night 165, which has my Korean boy, Chan Sung Jung in it.

Conor McGregor is so out of the picture, don't even care much right now if he does come back, not sure.
 
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