Is it ethical to work 2 remote jobs at the same time? I've thought of doing this but the ethics of it all holds me back. How do you pull it off without lying?
Any of you guys work Remote?
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Wutang thank you for sharing, when I hear people like you doing all of these various ventures, I always have a fascination with the psychology behind people deciding to take on so much (assuming you are getting by fine financially with your 1 job). Do you mind answering a few questions I was wondering:
1) Assuming juggling 2-3 different work ventures has you fully engaged 16+hrs a day leaving no free time for rest, nor non-work enjoyment/time with family &friends, so what is your motivation/drive to spend every waking hour for the pursuit of increased cash flow (or is it for other reasons)?
2) I’ve always had a theory that natural energy level (non-chemical stimulants) is something that is more genetic based for individual people. Some people just naturally have low energy, some averag and some very high energy that can never rest and sit for an hour and relax. Sure diet, exercise, drugs, how one was raised etc. could adjust a person slightly but I have always had the opinion that energy level mostly is genetic based. Do you (or others) agree/disagree with this theory on energy level being “hardwired” into a person?
1) You mentioned a 16 hour work day which I'm assuming you must have thought the two jobs are one after the other and that for both roles you have to work 8 hours straight. Rather, the hours for both jobs are simultaneous and the truth is that neither job requires me to work for 8 straight hours to satisfy my responsibilities. If my first job did consistently soak up 8 straight hours each day then I wouldn't have considered taking on a second job. Rather, I was noticing that I was regularly meeting the tasks that was set out for me with enough spare time where I could spend time on another job. That said, I do often find myself using my weekends to catch up on work though when all my hours are added up but it still doesn't add up to 80 hours per week.
There's another factor that is more unique to me is that my first job is for a IT consulting firm that assign it's employees to various different clients that are looking to outsource their tech roles. Once a project is done you are placed on what they call "the bench" during which time you still collect your full salary and your benefits. There's been times when I've spent 3 months on the bench before getting my next assignment This has been a big help for me being able to juggle both roles and avoiding major burn out.
Another thing is that I don't go on vacations so what I'll do is if one role has some big assignments coming up I'll use my vacation days for the other role so I can fully concentrate on the big assignments.
2) I've always been pretty high energy. I've had multiple people both family members and others suggest that I go get checked to see if I have ADHD but I've always refused since I have no interest in getting medicated. I've also been described as "hyper". This isn't as much of an issue, but when I was young I had a lot of trouble falling asleep since my mind constantly be racing at 1000 miles per second. I've also been very blessed with good health with both sides of my family been exceptionally healthy and my grandparents on both sides still going strong despite being in their 90s.
There's another factor that is more unique to me is that my first job is for a IT consulting firm that assign it's employees to various different clients that are looking to outsource their tech roles. Once a project is done you are placed on what they call "the bench" during which time you still collect your full salary and your benefits. There's been times when I've spent 3 months on the bench before getting my next assignment This has been a big help for me being able to juggle both roles and avoiding major burn out.
Another thing is that I don't go on vacations so what I'll do is if one role has some big assignments coming up I'll use my vacation days for the other role so I can fully concentrate on the big assignments.
2) I've always been pretty high energy. I've had multiple people both family members and others suggest that I go get checked to see if I have ADHD but I've always refused since I have no interest in getting medicated. I've also been described as "hyper". This isn't as much of an issue, but when I was young I had a lot of trouble falling asleep since my mind constantly be racing at 1000 miles per second. I've also been very blessed with good health with both sides of my family been exceptionally healthy and my grandparents on both sides still going strong despite being in their 90s.
Thanks for clarifying how you juggled your multiple remote jobs, I misread and also thought you started your brink & mortar business while doing the 2 jobs (it was only 1 remote job that was easily done in <8 hrs a day). As to the 2nd point (personal energy level), this strays from the posting topic but Ive been observing people (who is career or financially successful vs who is not), and more and more I’m leaning more black-pilled in my views that it’s a lot more genetic based than what any self help YouTuber or book would tell you the secrets to success).
I've been thinking about this overemployed thing @Wutang is talking about. There could be ethical arguments about it, but I know plenty of very competent people who work remotely. Incompetent people, due to their demographics, are getting the jobs competent "undesirable" people should be getting. If we as competent people are being stiffed for promotions, and we, due to our skills/work ethic/ higher efficiency, are getting a 40 hour job done in 8 hours a week, why not work something else? I've actually cleared it with my managers that they're okay with me working a second job, I did that previously with construction on the side but now I'm thinking of doing something else "remote," maybe making a business or taking another job similar to what I'm doing.
This is really how we get around persecution and "unfairness" in the job market. You don't want to make such and such a manager or pay them what they're worth because they're a white/Christian/male? Okay, then they'll just get multiple of those lower tiered jobs and do them better than the people who are only competent at doing one of those jobs, or they'll become entrepreneurs and keep remote job 1 as a nice reliable income stream.
Think about it - many people are getting jobs done in just a few hours that takes a diversity hire all week to do. For example, I know data entry and data management tricks that I can't teach certain people - I've tried. It's not difficult, but some people just won't or can't do it. So they'll spend hours doing a task that might take me 15 minutes. The powers that be think they're keeping us down by limiting us to jobs of lower competency, but if you just leverage that and take more work, you're flipping the script on them.
This is really how we get around persecution and "unfairness" in the job market. You don't want to make such and such a manager or pay them what they're worth because they're a white/Christian/male? Okay, then they'll just get multiple of those lower tiered jobs and do them better than the people who are only competent at doing one of those jobs, or they'll become entrepreneurs and keep remote job 1 as a nice reliable income stream.
Think about it - many people are getting jobs done in just a few hours that takes a diversity hire all week to do. For example, I know data entry and data management tricks that I can't teach certain people - I've tried. It's not difficult, but some people just won't or can't do it. So they'll spend hours doing a task that might take me 15 minutes. The powers that be think they're keeping us down by limiting us to jobs of lower competency, but if you just leverage that and take more work, you're flipping the script on them.
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I love my remote job as well. I joked with my wife the other day that I can only think of 2 things I miss from going to the office. 1) listing to music or podcasts in the car 2) able to run errands/ make pitstops coming and going between work and home without feeling like I’m wasting gas and time. So basically nothing about the office itself.
I think it’s perfectly ethical, personally.
Employment at its foundation is the exchange of money for work completed. Some may say ‘time’ but I differentiate between the two as there can be a lot of time watching the clock. Dead time. Many people get paid while watching porn or skimming insta because they’re simply on the clock.
So I go back to, if the employer hasn’t filled your time, and you uphold your end of the equation and complete all worked asked of you, then your ability to earn outside of completion of those tasks should not be limited.
If you work on an assembly line you’re gonna have 40 hrs of work. So no doubling up. But if you’re remote you lean far closer to a relationship based on trust and getting the work done, like a web designer, CPA, attorney, etc.
Easy_C
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As long as you can do what you're being paid to do, then yes.
I keep listening to podcasts where the owners/leadership of company’s want (key word want, not need) remote employees back into the office or at minimum a hybrid work schedule (few days home and few days at the office). From a profit margin perspective, if the work is getting done remotely, there should be substantial reduction of Overhead expenses for the company with no one using the office space. Office supplies, janitorial services, just to name a Few off the top of my head. If the company leases/rents the office space they can get out of that lease once it’s up (unless they are locked into a long term lease with heavy penalties to get out of). If they own the property, they could sell it, lease it out or if a large building, sublease a portion of the building out. So with so many cost savings/profit boosting measures with remote white collar work, why is there such a push be executives to get everyone back into an office space? Simple, they thrive on power and office politics, showing off who’s in charge in front of a live audience. Wielding their influence, charisma etc to exploit people for their gain. Without all of the in-person BS, they are somewhat neutered in their demonstration of power and control amongst the servants within the company and those under their command. Ego, power and control by leadership is driving the “want” to get people back to the office not increased profit (just my theory).
The one thing the pandemic and remote work has really exposed, is that most all of the travel done over past decades by senior leaders of a company or government organizations really isn’t a necessity at all. It’s all been mostly a scam be the people in high positions to get a lot of free travel perks on top of their exponentially higher salary and an escape from their cushy offices while most of the company maintains their low salary, stuck in a cube, and if they want to travel for vacation they pay out of their pocket from their low salary. Just another way people at the top of the food chain exponentially get abundance over others from our current societal norms. Sorry straying off topic but just random thoughts.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't like your job
What percent of westerners enjoy their job? I would guess less than 10%, probably even less than 5%.
It is being pushed down. Larry Fink, CEO of Blackrock, has already said that one of their big priorities is getting people back into the office. And they, with State Street and Vanguard, pull the strings of power. Their excuse is that "people working from home, not spending money on gas and clothing, is hurting the economy". The real reason is for the first time ever middle class Americans got a slight benefit and some even saved up extra money and took back a slight amount from these parasites of Wall Street. So, their big push is to end the loophole that allowed some middle class Americans a little bit of time in their life back and some extra coins in their pocket.
If you are an employee at a business, and the business only has 1 customer, that's a gigantic risk that everyone agrees needs to be fixed ASAP.
But for people, working more than one job is some crazy immoral thing? It seems dramatically more immoral to even have work contract options where employers "own" people's whole lives like that.
"A salary is the drug they give you to help you forget about your dreams"
Easy_C
Peacock
No, I worked in one of those traveling jobs. You’re not entirely wrong. For us it wasn’t “unnecessary” from a business perspective but it definitely was from a practical perspective.
I would say it depends. Does your work have an explicit policy against working a second job during work hours?
I doubt that's the fully story.
From a management perspective, it helps to have workers in the office. There are some things you can say face-to-face that are difficult to communicate via a screen. Also, there are good teamwork effects from being in-person.
That being said, now that women work in male workplaces, those benefits have been diluted.
Money is slavery.
We have been given free will by God.
With money we can guide / control the free will of the other. With money we can make them do whatever we want.
And the other way around they can guide / control us in exchange of money
What is essential: This is not free will.
If you help your father or a neighbor because you want to, it's free will.
Money is always a form of control.
This is essential, when we loose the desire to control the other we loose the desire for money.
I have been hearing quite a lot in my surroundings of people going for more communal living. Essentially it's about this.
The regime is trying is trying to make everything part of this money system as they can tax it with direct taxing and tax with money printing.
E.g. care of the sick, the elderly, kids has now become a function of money. I have a female friend who works in daycare, she has a manager who tells her what she needs to do with the kids, what the kids need to eat, there is a pedagogue who is making plans for the education and while she loves kids, she is more and more hating her job in daycare.
This is a pattern.
We don't like to be controlled, we want to work from our own will that will make us happier. But money is also great.
E.g. no man will work on an oil rig from free will 3 months in a row. So money is not bad.
But.. what we see now is that many many of our interactions are money related.
E.g. going our for dinner and paying others to cook for you, kids to daycare paying others to care, paying for apples.
Compare that to a friend who invites you for dinner, or having kids at family or friends, helping a friend picking apples in his garden and taking a bag home.
That last example is 10x better as it is real, from free will.
Though we see the first example growing and growing, especially when women became part of "professional" life, this got drastically worse.
Working for money is a burden and should be done as little as possible to finance the home operation. And we can act from love of God instead of greed.