Any of you guys work Remote?

[palsofchaos]

I would say it depends. Does your work have an explicit policy against working a second job during work hours?

My current contract has a clause stating I must notify my current employer if I am working a second job. It is not a breach of contract to work a second job. Many of the contracts I have signed over the last decade have had this clause so I am guessing it’s industry standard. Is a breach of contract considered lying?

 

[bubs]

What percent of westerners enjoy their job? I would guess

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't like your job

Well, 5 posts before yours, I said I love my remote job. But honestly the work itself doesn’t offer me very much fulfillment, it’s all of the other factors that I love.

 

[Eusebius Erasmus]

My current contract has a clause stating I must notify my current employer if I am working a second job. It is not a breach of contract to work a second job. Many of the contracts I have signed over the last decade have had this clause so I am guessing it’s industry standard. Is a breach of contract considered lying?

If you don't notify your employer when you're supposed to, then it certainly is dishonest.

 

[Blade Runner]

If you don't notify your employer when you're supposed to, then it certainly is dishonest.

The way the current culture is, I'd say it's more along the lines of "not being open" rather than being dishonest.

Yes, this is what happens after all the years that they made the culture a situational one with scams almost always (always?) favoring employers for no real good reason. See the quiet quitting thread.

If another job hurts your performance, they should notice and fire you. Market factors, plain and simple. "Tell us you have another job" is like them saying "get in our cubicle" because if you don't, we don't like it - forget the whole productivity part - you know, the actual point of the job.

 

[DanielH]

The way the current culture is, I'd say it's more along the lines of "not being open" rather than being dishonest.

Yes, this is what happens after all the years that they made the culture a situational one with scams almost always (always?) favoring employers for no real good reason. See the quiet quitting thread.

If another job hurts your performance, they should notice and fire you. Market factors, plain and simple. "Tell us you have another job" is like them saying "get in our cubicle" because if you don't, we don't like it - forget the whole productivity part - you know, the actual point of the job.

You know the whole economy is broken when people are out there working two full time jobs, and neither employer realizes. Just think about the implications of that. Does that mean both jobs are fake? Or that the average worker is so lazy that a diligent person can work multiple and still exceed the average worker? Or that employers are so stingy that they won't compensate those diligent workers for their skill and effort?

What should be happening in the tech/remote work world, is that these top 10-20 percent of workers should be making 150-200k a year while contributing a reasonable amount of hours a day to that job, probably something like 6 hours a day, accounting for lunch and breaks. Slackers would be making less than that commensurate to their level of effort and skill. However, what we're seeing, if that diligent worker is a white or east asian male, they are only making, at best, slightly more than the worst workers of their same title and education, in the range of 60-100k. Hardly enough to comfortably support a family in the poorest locales of America, certainly not enough to build generational wealth.

Due to this economic calculus, we can see that it is better financially for a skilled and diligent worker to actually work two jobs simultaneously (whether the second job is remote or an entrepreneurial side hustle), because apparently just 2-3 hours of work a day in many or most tech or remote jobs is enough to make employing that person worth it to the company at a standard salary. This has certainly been my observation where my entire team is remote work employees, and I can guarantee none of them are putting in 6 hour days or more except for my manager (who doesn't determine pay), God bless him.

If America is ever independent again, free from Jewish monetary enslavement and diversity quotas, this situation will no longer be the case. Employees will get paid generously (like how the great Henry Ford did) for a hard day's labor, and these low effort remote jobs where 2 hours of work gets you the same compensation as 8 hours of work, will disappear.

 

[bubs]

Since most larger corporate or Government organizations have a lot of dark triad personality types that rise thru the ranks, my best guess is that the company doesn’t want their employees working a second job as that doesn’t allow for them to ask you to take on extra work to increase their own profits. Greed, control and ensuring superiority over their underling staff. Question: besides professional sports and the entertainment industry, is there any places of employment where an outstanding/star employee makes more than their boss? I can’t think of any.

 

[DanielH]

Question: besides professional sports and the entertainment industry, is there any places of employment where an outstanding/star employee makes more than their boss? I can’t think of any.

I think this might actually be the case with some higher risk, high skilled blue-collar jobs, like your specialist welders and linesmen.

 

[cosine]

Since most larger corporate or Government organizations have a lot of dark triad personality types that rise thru the ranks, my best guess is that the company doesn’t want their employees working a second job as that doesn’t allow for them to ask you to take on extra work to increase their own profits. Greed, control and ensuring superiority over their underling staff.

If you're a remote tech worker in the energy industry in Texas and also have a second job in healthcare in Chicago, I don't see a problem.
There are also legitimate conflicts of interest. I know a law professor at a big name university who was paid $2M just for a 5-year noncompete agreement with particular consulting firms. Literally paid $400k/year just to not do something.

Question: besides professional sports and the entertainment industry, is there any places of employment where an outstanding/star employee makes more than their boss? I can’t think of any.

I worked at a 1000 person company where the two highest paid people were rockstar salesmen.

One guy would chase "whales" and occaisionally get one that would net him $300k/year. The other guy just consistently sold quality and the company also paid him a high salary/bonus to train other salesmen.

 

[cosine]

My current contract has a clause stating I must notify my current employer if I am working a second job. It is not a breach of contract to work a second job. Many of the contracts I have signed over the last decade have had this clause so I am guessing it’s industry standard. Is a breach of contract considered lying?

By your actions you agreed to the terms of the contract. If you read the two-jobs clause and intentionally didn't notify them, you didn't sign the contract in good faith. I would say it is lying. You could breach it gently, "by the way, I was solicited for an additional freelance gig" and keep it vague while you see how they respond.

That being said, I simply find it hard to be truly honest with most employers.
- Do they share FULL pay transparency with you?
- Do they ever fire or lay people off? Do they fire the one actual jerk but keep all the decent people?
- Does it ever feel like they have a master/slave relationship over you?
- If you provide real value, do they compensate you decently?

Pay transparency is massive. Instead most companies have an opaque "don't ask don't tell" system for how the company actually values everyone.

I find with most employers I don't feel particularly valued. At my current company I provided massive value and was given a 9% raise, meanwhile inflation is roughly the same. I should just look for a new or additional job.

Also, the company just slowly gets more woke. My manager is a decent guy, but the company doesn't align with my values.

Really appreciate the discussion here, gents.

 

[Eusebius Erasmus]

The way the current culture is, I'd say it's more along the lines of "not being open" rather than being dishonest.

Yes, this is what happens after all the years that they made the culture a situational one with scams almost always (always?) favoring employers for no real good reason. See the quiet quitting thread.

If another job hurts your performance, they should notice and fire you. Market factors, plain and simple. "Tell us you have another job" is like them saying "get in our cubicle" because if you don't, we don't like it - forget the whole productivity part - you know, the actual point of the job.

I get it, I'm also in the grind of corporate life -- but it's still dishonest. If the terms of your contract require you to abide by company policies, and you knowingly violate them for your side hustle, it's dishonest at the very least.

Ultimately, ask your spiritual father about this.

 

[Blade Runner]

You know the whole economy is broken when people are out there working two full time jobs, and neither employer realizes. Just think about the implications of that. Does that mean both jobs are fake? Or that the average worker is so lazy that a diligent person can work multiple and still exceed the average worker? Or that employers are so stingy that they won't compensate those diligent workers for their skill and effort?

Yes, yes, yes
sorry but gotta do this

That being said, I simply find it hard to be truly honest with most employers.
- Do they share FULL pay transparency with you?
- Do they ever fire or lay people off? Do they fire the one actual jerk but keep all the decent people?
- Does it ever feel like they have a master/slave relationship over you?
- If you provide real value, do they compensate you decently?

Trust me, I wasn't raised to think in any way like this, the country has shown me what they value, and how sick the corporate gov fascist connection is. They have no loyalty. I think it's situational at this point, clearly. They've been abusing workers for years and stealing productivity from everyone, and the Cantillon effect is in major play, to this day

Our current reality is that we are slaves to evil politicians and the boomer + older class. We get very little in relationships and fulfillment in life, rather, just surveillance and debasement, and weak men and women opining and running things. Everything is a risk, so I'd just take the risk and see how the market reacts. As long as you are ok with whatever they say, that's what I'd go by: risk/reward. We're too close to the end of this fake money system to be a sucker for them, still

 

[It_is_my_time]

I just heard an interview, where a to CPA says they expect up to 300,000 accountants to be gone by the end of this year. The reason is a mix of boomer retirements, lack of qualified college graduates (diversity quotas not panning out in the real world) and a lot of people quitting due to being overworked.

I am sure this is becoming true in a lot of fields. The conversation of the USA into a third world country is picking up pace. We struggle to simply keep the lights on and the system afloat, completely forget about an improvement to the system. Diversity is killing everything in the west, which is in the end, the greatest benefit for Putin/Iran, unfortunately we are all stuck with it for the time being.

I have thought about this from a philosophical angle, what is the purpose of work? The purpose of "work" is to make our lives better, more efficient, and pass on a better world to our children. But does our work today do that? Not at all, our work is to pander to some diversity hires, flood the nation with scab employees to drive down labor costs, and work ourselves like slaves so the elites can have more money and power, to make our lives even more miserable. I am glad to see people starting to say, "no more". The next step is to point them in the right direction. It isn't Democrats or Republicans to blame, it is the Wall Street mafia who owns both parties and are constantly looking at ways to make life harder and harder for us, and easier for themselves.

Working from home was the first time the American workers got something back. They got more time in their lives and they don't want to let that go. But Wall Street will fight tooth and nail to take it away, as Larry Fink has talked about, and the big battle is about to begin on this subject.

 

[Enoch]

I just heard an interview, where a to CPA says they expect up to 300,000 accountants to be gone by the end of this year. The reason is a mix of boomer retirements, lack of qualified college graduates (diversity quotas not panning out in the real world) and a lot of people quitting due to being overworked.

I am sure this is becoming true in a lot of fields. The conversation of the USA into a third world country is picking up pace. We struggle to simply keep the lights on and the system afloat, completely forget about an improvement to the system. Diversity is killing everything in the west, which is in the end, the greatest benefit for Putin/Iran, unfortunately we are all stuck with it for the time being.

I have thought about this from a philosophical angle, what is the purpose of work? The purpose of "work" is to make our lives better, more efficient, and pass on a better world to our children. But does our work today do that? Not at all, our work is to pander to some diversity hires, flood the nation with scab employees to drive down labor costs, and work ourselves like slaves so the elites can have more money and power, to make our lives even more miserable. I am glad to see people starting to say, "no more". The next step is to point them in the right direction. It isn't Democrats or Republicans to blame, it is the Wall Street mafia who owns both parties and are constantly looking at ways to make life harder and harder for us, and easier for themselves.

Working from home was the first time the American workers got something back. They got more time in their lives and they don't want to let that go. But Wall Street will fight tooth and nail to take it away, as Larry Fink has talked about, and the big battle is about to begin on this subject.

Interesting how they started doing the race and gender stuff after Occupy Wall Street. Got a little too close to the real centers of power.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Interesting how they started doing the race and gender stuff after Occupy Wall Street. Got a little too close to the real centers of power.

Yea, some of the podcasts I listen to have people that were on the ground very early in Occupy Wall Street. When it started to pick up steam, all of a sudden these "organizers" showed up and started to direct them in what they could and could not say.

 

[cosine]

Interesting how they started doing the race and gender stuff after Occupy Wall Street. Got a little too close to the real centers of power.

Occupy Wall Street seemed like populism packaged poorly for the masses to get on board, but about the correct topic. The gender thing didn't really stick, it seems like society figured out white women don't have it that bad.

But then they hit the country right in the racism!

 

[bubs]

One other positive thought about remote work. It actually helps a company by reducing the creation of fake work just to keep employees busy 8+hrs a day by managers.

Example: If either a manager justifies the need to hire a new person to their team (either a BS empire build pitch or a legitimate business need for added labor force), and that person comes in and is able to get their work done in 6hrs a day. There is no way that manager is going to allow 2 hour lunches or letting his staff cut out early, or them surfing the web for hours at their desk. The optics look bad on him by either his peer managers or higher managers. Then he must create fake work to fill their day so his team looks really busy all the time (or let staff go despite they are achieving their profit margins). Remote work this all disappears.

 

[rainy]

One other positive thought about remote work. It actually helps a company by reducing the creation of fake work just to keep employees busy 8+hrs a day by managers.

Example: If either a manager justifies the need to hire a new person to their team (either a BS empire build pitch or a legitimate business need for added labor force), and that person comes in and is able to get their work done in 6hrs a day. There is no way that manager is going to allow 2 hour lunches or letting his staff cut out early, or them surfing the web for hours at their desk. The optics look bad on him by either his peer managers or higher managers. Then he must create fake work to fill their day so his team looks really busy all the time (or let staff go despite they are achieving their profit margins). Remote work this all disappears.

I bigger issue is a manager attempting to justify paying a remote digital marketer or bookkeeper 80k plus benefits and PTO because that employee lives in a high COL area like NY, when they can find an equally capable remote worker who lives in a low COL area, and he can pay them 50k plus benefits.

As soon as businesses take that logical step in their thinking, many folks become expendable.

Of course the step after that is offshoring…. I could easily source a college grad, fluent in English bookkeeper with 5+ years experience for $7/hr from abroad.

And if I can do it for a bookkeeper I can do it for 10+ roles.

IMO American remote workers outside of sales who think they’re gonna keep their jobs and salaries for the next 5-10+ years while doing 4-6 hours of work will have a rude awakening in the not too distant future.

Better have clear revenue you’re earning for your employer which you can point to.

 

[bubs]

I bigger issue is a manager attempting to justify paying a remote digital marketer or bookkeeper 80k plus benefits and PTO because that employee lives in a high COL area like NY, when they can find an equally capable remote worker who lives in a low COL area, and he can pay them 50k plus benefits.

As soon as businesses take that logical step in their thinking, many folks become expendable.

Of course the step after that is offshoring…. I could easily source a college grad, fluent in English bookkeeper with 5+ years experience for $7/hr from abroad.

And if I can do it for a bookkeeper I can do it for 10+ roles.

IMO American remote workers outside of sales who think they’re gonna keep their jobs and salaries for the next 5-10+ years while doing 4-6 hours of work will have a rude awakening in the not too distant future.

Better have clear revenue you’re earning for your employer which you can point to.

So greed & evil will prevail as usual? Meaning, if the company’s goal was a 10% profit margin for 2022 and that was achieved successfully with use of high wage COL US employees working average 6 hrs a day, the ownership would still likely toss many of those people aside for 3rd world staff? I can see all of the big publicly traded companies doing that because they have no soul, but I would think most small companies that treat people with humanity wouldn’t churn them over like expendable units.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

So greed & evil will prevail as usual? Meaning, if the company’s goal was a 10% profit margin for 2022 and that was achieved successfully with use of high wage COL US employees working average 6 hrs a day, the ownership would still likely toss many of those people aside for 3rd world staff? I can see all of the big publicly traded companies doing that because they have no soul, but I would think most small companies that treat people with humanity wouldn’t churn them over like expendable units.

I actually prefer working for a corporation. I don't see a problem with people being expendable if they are expandable. Can't expect to be rewarded for seniority if you're in data entry. All you got to do is a find a corporation that tries to prevent turnover and you'll be golden. What's ideal and what's possible are two different things. Considering no one ever asks at whose expense we got all these millionaires everywhere I'd say we deserve to be expendable. Can't worship money like that and then pretend there should be some unwritten socialism and honor system everywhere. All these rich people got there by taking advantage of markets and labor, squeezing out every dollar they can.

When I was working for a small company it was horrible. Low wages and constant guilt tripping about how it's a gift from God they gave you a job. There's also a ton of unprofessionalism because everyone wants to act like it's some family get together. I also enjoyed being told once the manager retires in 20 years I take his position. Lovely.

 

[rainy]

So greed & evil will prevail as usual? Meaning, if the company’s goal was a 10% profit margin for 2022 and that was achieved successfully with use of high wage COL US employees working average 6 hrs a day, the ownership would still likely toss many of those people aside for 3rd world staff? I can see all of the big publicly traded companies doing that because they have no soul, but I would think most small companies that treat people with humanity wouldn’t churn them over like expendable units.

For the largest companies it would be greed.

For many others it would be a byproduct of survival. It is very tough out there for small businesses. And it ain’t really their fault.