Any of you guys work Remote?

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
I bigger issue is a manager attempting to justify paying a remote digital marketer or bookkeeper 80k plus benefits and PTO because that employee lives in a high COL area like NY, when they can find an equally capable remote worker who lives in a low COL area, and he can pay them 50k plus benefits.

As soon as businesses take that logical step in their thinking, many folks become expendable.

Of course the step after that is offshoring…. I could easily source a college grad, fluent in English bookkeeper with 5+ years experience for $7/hr from abroad.

And if I can do it for a bookkeeper I can do it for 10+ roles.

IMO American remote workers outside of sales who think they’re gonna keep their jobs and salaries for the next 5-10+ years while doing 4-6 hours of work will have a rude awakening in the not too distant future.

Better have clear revenue you’re earning for your employer which you can point to.
This is already where they're going anyway. as the COVID forced telework stuff was just a bump in the road along that direction. In fact, outsourcing was already pretty common even before the current era of telework.

However, what you're missing is that there is a huge competence gap between (red-blooded) American workers and overseas Pajeets. This shows up a lot in my line of work in technology, where the Pajeets can only kind of barely in a technically-meets-specs way do the job. They can do the job, but the product of their work is often riddled with errors and maintainability concerns, and often just barely meets the technical requirements for the product. In some cases, there's even a monkey's paw effect with asking them to do things where yes, you get what you asked from them, but... it's not quite what you had in mind when you asked for it. You had a purpose in mind, but the Pajeet only sees the checkbox that needs to be checked, not the purpose.

It's like getting a car that doesn't run on gas, but where you have to move it by your feet like a Flintstones car. Technically, it's a car. Technically, it's got wheels and a propulsion method. You just didn't specify the propulsion method, so they just did the absolute minimum there. But foot propulsion meets the basic requirements, so you get a Flintstones car.

It's why corporate products suck nowadays. But there are companies that recognize the need for good products, so they pay the competence premium.
 

bubs

Woodpecker
Protestant
I hate listening to podcasters who say things like “companies are looking to layoff remote workers first”. It makes it sound like there is a clear stereotype that all remote jobs are expendable. For the success of the company Sure there is a segment of staff not producing same output remotely than if they have a boss hovering over them all day in cube, but I think that isn’t the majority of people working remote. Best thing would be to clear out the leadership who convinced the approval to hire the people that they thought were the best choice for the company’s success and they turned out to be a turd of an employee. If it’s a forced diversity hire that proved to be useless then hold the HR manager accountable for screwing up that poor hiring decision. Also managers that overhire “ie empire build”, hold them accountable for rushing in a warm body to fill a seat to build their fiefdom. Get rid of the BS artists in a company and you’ll have a great company.
 
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rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
I work from home and there are times I really miss getting out and conversing with other professionals face to face.

Never mind with two kids under 5 it can be near impossible to get work done at times. Love them but 15hr workdays with a startup and heavy focus doesn’t mix with a 4 yr old chasing his little sister with a stick.

I’m moving soon and after I do I’m strongly considering renting an office in one of those cowork places. That’s still somewhat WFH as I’d come and go as I please and there’s no boss.

I’ve also slowly come to the conclusion high pressure work should occur in a separate venue than family time. There is the old adage of leave your work at the office. I can’t.

Have a friend who turned a shed into a full home office with electric and insulation. That’s an option.
 
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bubs

Woodpecker
Protestant
I work from home and there are times I really miss getting out and conversing with other professionals face to face.

Never mind with two kids under 5 it can be near impossible to get work done at times. Love them but 15hr workdays with a startup and heavy focus doesn’t mix with a 4 yr old chasing his little sister with a stick.

I’m moving soon and after I do I’m strongly considering renting an office in one of those cowork places. That’s still somewhat WFH as I’d come and go as I please and there’s no boss.

I’ve also slowly come to the conclusion high pressure work should occur in a separate venue than family time. There is the old adage of leave your work at the office. I can’t.

Have a friend who turned a shed into a full home office with electric and insulation. That’s an option.
Similar, I have new respect for those trying to juggle small children while focusing on work and meetings and such. I have a 4 month old puppy, and very similar…I pretty much can only work while she is taking naps in her crate which is 50% the time. She’s been with us for 6 weeks now and not getting easier…just learning that multitasking work and babysitting a pup can’t be done (at least not by me). So my workday runs closer to 11-12 hours to account for naps and when my wife comes home for a handoff of the pup.
 
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