Anyone bet on Marilyn Manson being thrown under the bus in 2021...?

Towgunner

Woodpecker
On one hand, I'm somewhat pleased, but, on the other I still don't like to see this kind of unpersoning/cancel culture unfolding. This guy was used to disrupt traditional America many years ago. I liken this to what happened to ellen degenerate, who is another media personality that helped push radical and undesirable social things into the open. Much of that hollyweird/entertainment mob has been taken down over the past several months. Remember Kevin Spacey? Yep, he's not only done but an outed pederast. That said, I wonder why this is happening. This could all be just hysteria from "me too" and nothing more, but, I sense something else. Perhaps a purge of sorts. Yuri Bezmenov once said that the useful idiots are the first to go after the revolution is over because they 1. know too much and are 2. prone to revolution. Since the revolution is over "they" don't want any more revolution ergo they purge the revolutionaries. I wonder if this is the case. For someone like Manson he probably does know that his subversive music was part of a larger sinister plot to destabilize the youth and culture and country. Certainly, ellen knew she was part of a pro-homosexual propaganda campaign.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I've always liked Nine Inch Nails. Manson was, back some time ago, a protege of Trent Reznor, and often collaborated with him - so as a result of that, I've never minded his music much. It's nothing special, though, really, so back when he was cool in high school I just shrugged at it. Nowadays, I find it pretty cringe, but I also miss the late 1990s and early aughts. (I also thought his take on the Columbine tragedy in that documentary Bowling for Columbine was pretty refreshing, as his music was blamed by some politicians as a cause of it.)
I never heard of him endorsing Crowley, but he did meet with Anton Lavey of the Church of Satan and was made a priest in the church by him. That's straight from Manson's autobiography.

I read his autobiography some time ago out of curiosity. He is definitely an intelligent guy (total midwit, though) who became a degenerate because he hated his upbringing. It was about four years ago, though, and since it's far from a great book, I've forgotten like 80% of it.

The LaVey part I remember pretty clearly, but not entirely - I guess according to LaVey he freaked out the right people, so he made him an honorary priest? Manson didn't really seem too thrilled about it from what I remember, though, and thought the church was just a bunch of stupid posturing by a flim-flam man trying to be outrageous. I appreciated his honesty when it came to that.

The thing about his book that irritated me the most though was his clueless ego. When he began fronting his band, he described it as "With my band, I wanted to snap society out of their self-induced Christian funk! I wanted to make people angry and bother them." Yeah right, Marylin Manson, you and your gay little band aren't going to undo two thousand years of Western history.
 

Gimlet

Kingfisher
I could never stomach his screaming loud style of music, but if I were his lawyer, my defense would be he doesn't even have a benis.

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To this day, when I tell people transgenderism is satanism, they laugh and say I am a lunatic.
 

Aloha50

Pigeon
On one hand, I'm somewhat pleased, but, on the other I still don't like to see this kind of unpersoning/cancel culture unfolding. This guy was used to disrupt traditional America many years ago. I liken this to what happened to ellen degenerate, who is another media personality that helped push radical and undesirable social things into the open. Much of that hollyweird/entertainment mob has been taken down over the past several months. Remember Kevin Spacey? Yep, he's not only done but an outed pederast. That said, I wonder why this is happening. This could all be just hysteria from "me too" and nothing more, but, I sense something else. Perhaps a purge of sorts. Yuri Bezmenov once said that the useful idiots are the first to go after the revolution is over because they 1. know too much and are 2. prone to revolution. Since the revolution is over "they" don't want any more revolution ergo they purge the revolutionaries. I wonder if this is the case. For someone like Manson he probably does know that his subversive music was part of a larger sinister plot to destabilize the youth and culture and country. Certainly, ellen knew she was part of a pro-homosexual propaganda campaign.
I'm very pleased; you reap what you sow. With most of these cases or charges levied, I take with a grain of salt - someone looking for a payout. But with this cat, I tend to believe the charges.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Woodpecker
I would just have thought that, a distinctly sinister individual such as Manson, would be of more use to Hellywood within the system.
Yet as I say, he must have farted in the wrong elevator or some such, cause he's clearly on his own now.

When Manson's music was hot in the 90s, it was partly due to shock value: nobody had seen anything so Satanic being blasted on MTV during prime time.

Today, this is normalized. Just watch the Weekend's Super Bowl performance, or a typical Billie Eilish music video.

Satanism is commonplace.

Manson served his purpose of normalizing Satanic and evil imagery. That's why he is now disposable. His last great contribution was probably in the anti-gun movie Bowling for Columbine.
 
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Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I read his autobiography some time ago out of curiosity. He is definitely an intelligent guy (total midwit, though) who became a degenerate because he hated his upbringing. It was about four years ago, though, and since it's far from a great book, I've forgotten like 80% of it.

The LaVey part I remember pretty clearly, but not entirely - I guess according to LaVey he freaked out the right people, so he made him an honorary priest? Manson didn't really seem too thrilled about it from what I remember, though, and thought the church was just a bunch of stupid posturing by a flim-flam man trying to be outrageous. I appreciated his honesty when it came to that.
I read the book like 15 years ago and what I remember was that he some bored kid from the Midwest that got into heavy metal and the other things that come along with it. His grandfather was a degenerate that was into cross dressing and spent a lot of the time in the attic beating his meat to old pornographic films. Manson's book had a scene where he talked about hiding in the room and watching his grandfather in the middle of the act. Manson's father also talked about he was going to buy him a hooker once he turned 18.

His story reminded me of films like Gummo - the story of a disaffected youth living in a small town where most people didn't have much of a future so they either just go along with the path to mediocrity or they look for a way to rebel. I recall there was a quote of Manson's classmate from this private Christian school he was forced to attend talking about how she became a witch and how both her reaction and Manson's reaction was a response to what they saw as a stifling environment. If Manson was less intelligent I could have seen him becoming a juggalo or whatever the equivalent of that was back then when he was younger.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
Back in the day when I thought it was all just "entertainment" I was a fan. The man was always broken but he showed a lot of sense of humor in his interviews. I disliked mainstream pop and especially hip-hop so I saw him as a rebel against the mainstream (nevermind him being on MTV a lot). Some quotes that sound smart but were just empty (Dawkins, Hitchens style). The TV shows that tried to attack him ended up making him look more interesting and approachable than he really was.

Musically I though he lost it decades ago. Interestingly, he mentioned a few times that he wanted to marry some of his previous partners but it did not work out. Now I see darker days ahead for him.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I read the book like 15 years ago and what I remember was that he some bored kid from the Midwest that got into heavy metal and the other things that come along with it. His grandfather was a degenerate that was into cross dressing and spent a lot of the time in the attic beating his meat to old pornographic films. Manson's book had a scene where he talked about hiding in the room and watching his grandfather in the middle of the act. Manson's father also talked about he was going to buy him a hooker once he turned 18.

His story reminded me of films like Gummo - the story of a disaffected youth living in a small town where most people didn't have much of a future so they either just go along with the path to mediocrity or they look for a way to rebel. I recall there was a quote of Manson's classmate from this private Christian school he was forced to attend talking about how she became a witch and how both her reaction and Manson's reaction was a response to what they saw as a stifling environment. If Manson was less intelligent I could have seen him becoming a juggalo or whatever the equivalent of that was back then when he was younger.
(Off-topic, but I'm happy to see someone else suffered through Gummo. I pretty strongly disliked it, but can't deny that it did have a certain aesthetic going for it. I can see how it has its fans.)
 

El Chinito loco

Crow
Gold Member
To this day, when I tell people transgenderism is satanism, they laugh and say I am a lunatic.

When you look at ancient depictions of demons and other underworld minions they are always some kind of tainted human form. Different cultures have their own specific depiction of evil but this is the most common aspect. I believe most cultures understand that true evil seeks to make a mockery of mankind and in doing so it always seeks to twist what is beautiful and natural.
 

El Chinito loco

Crow
Gold Member
(Off-topic, but I'm happy to see someone else suffered through Gummo. I pretty strongly disliked it, but can't deny that it did have a certain aesthetic going for it. I can see how it has its fans.)
Films like this are meant to disparage small town USA. Harmony Korine is the protege of Larry Clark who did that film Kids. I'm not sure if Clark is a Jew but Korine is definitely Jewish. Nearly all their films mock American youth in some way. There is some truth in their films but you get the feeling that they really revel in the degeneracy.
 

fokker

Ostrich
The Crazy Days & Nights guy now seems to think Trent Reznor got up to a bit of sexual impropriety:


Crazy Days & Nights said:
A woman has come forward alleging that the lead singer of this band/lengthy hardware store product raped her friend when the friend was 13, and did so after drugging her.
 

Cicero12

Sparrow
I could never stomach his screaming loud style of music, but if I were his lawyer, my defense would be he doesn't even have a benis.

Lmao that album cover always freaked me out as a kid!! I could never stand that guy's music, he's always been a degenerate provocateur. He was always one of their first useful idiots to push this sexual deviant demonic angle.

The Lana Del Rey roast was based tho :laughter:
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
Another thought.
Manson had begun to appear in TV shows. Thus his newer vocation was reading TV scripts.

If "The Big Club" deemed it so.
Perhaps they had one last use for Manson.
Force him to take part in the script where he has to play the villain in real life, in another "toxic masculinity / domestic violence" propaganda push.

Said "toxic masculinity" propaganda push would be much more effective for "Them" than having Manson appear in obscure TV shows.
 
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