Anyone else feel general dislike toward members of your own ethnic group?

[debeguiled]

Actually, this question can be seen as a qualification question for general thoughtfulness and character in a person.

Any person who is introspective and honest will have some problems with themselves, and their introspection will extend to the people they are associated with.

They will also feel a bit of a cringe when people who look like them do stupid things, and feel a measure of responsibility for members of their group.

These are both upright qualities. Self criticism and a sense of responsibility.

A dull and dishonest person will have nothing but good things to say about himself, and by extension, his race.

And on the flip side, a self hating and pandering person will have nothing but bad things to say about his race, gender, whatever, and always kiss up to people of other groups.

They will take no responsibility whatsoever for actions of their group, and secretly believe themselves to be honorary members of other groups.

I wonder what would happen if we asked this question of the women in our lives?

Maybe it's better not to know.

 

[Sumanguru]

I've met too many shitty people from all races to look down on one particular group.

At this point, I only feel kinship with those who prove themselves worthy of my time and loyalty--those who, regardless of their race, earn it.

SJW diversity liberal nonsense aside, I do believe that if you travel enough, stay open-minded, and put yourself outside of your comfort zone, you'll meet lots of dicks from all races but you'll also meet smart, valuable people from all races too. There's no need to hate any group. But no group, outside of those individual humans you choose, should have your love.

 

[Space Cowboy]

When American white chicks claim that they're also "irish" because their granny went to Ireland on her holidays or some shit

Yeah, this thread is confusing. These guys don't have any real connection to "Scandinavians" whatsoever. I've met real Scandis, they're an odd lot. T

 

[Brian Shima]

Half of this forum is Indian? LOL

 

[El Chinito loco]

I think the number 1 thing holding back many Asians is their strong loyalty to family. I see it all the time in China. Sometimes your rice farmer grandma DOESN'T know what's best for you. This isn't to be down on Asians, because many of them are breaking free of that mindset, but I see it every day. Dad believes bullshit passed onto him from grandad and so and so forth and you have a seemingly unbreakable chain of betatude strangling young Asian guys in a way that doesn't happen with Western dudes. This isn't something I hate about asian culture and I really have no business talking about asian problems, but it's just an observation of mine after a year and some change in China.

While this forum does speak a lot about family, sometimes it's worth noting that families can also be the epicenter of really stupid and caustic ideas.

You're close but usually it's not the dad that's the problem but the mom. Asian dads can be notoriously absent when it comes to parenting. I've seen some over the top overbearing shit from friends of mine who have asian families like that. Luckily my immediate family was not jacked up in that way but I have an aunt that is very much like that.

The "tiger mom" thing is semi true however the misconception is that it's all about pushing their kids to succeed. A lot of times asian moms use their kids as proxies to live out the youth they didn't get to live because their mom was also a cunt..so on and so forth for generations.

They also use their kids as trophies to show off for face reasons.

Some will fuck their kids all up socially (and emotionally) as long as they check off a laundry list of "achievements" to gain face.

This parenting method works fine in asia since if you're a guy you can get by on being somewhat socially retarded as long as you have a level of career success and social standing. You can still fumble your way into decent pussy, social success, and marriage. In the west though this type of parenting is cancer and will ruin a kid thus the reason why so many asian-americans *and* indian-americans are all jacked up.

 

[YossariansRight]

I like my women the same way I like my wine and cars: Imported.

I have very, very little in common with typical white American women (I'm a white man). And I'm past any point of giving a shit, which is liberating.

I'm happier socializing/gaming/banging foreign women; my last last two LTRs have been with European imports. Even my last few side pieces have been foreign born. Americunts are mostly invisible to me.

A reply I wrote on ROK for the article "American Girls Are The Papa John’s Of Women":

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[booshala]

I'm 50 shades of white from all over Western Europe. I've tried to identify with a sub-ethnicity, but honestly, I don't even know what I am.

That being said, as long as they are masculine and have a sense of humor, I don't have a problem with American white guys. I don't get along with pussy-whipped, uptight dorks, but the more people I meet the more I discover they make those types in every race.

However, I just CANNOT vibe with 99% of young-professional white women. With very few exceptions, they seem to be carbon copies of one another. They are extremely uptight, easily offended, passive-aggressive, incredibly selfish, and have no personality. They all repeat the same stupid phrases that other white girls constantly say, watch the same retarded TV shows, take the same pictures, etc. I'm not even attracted to them unless they are top of the line - even then, I'm not particularly interested in pursuing them.

I'll admit that I am likely scarred from bad experiences with shitty American white women. At this point, I feel like its taboo or naughty when I take home a white girl. I can't imagine living with one. Maybe I need to travel more.

Your screen name is hilarious now that I know you're white... well done.

 

[Cobra]

Finally a meaningful race thread that hasn't gone up in flames or become trolled.

I'm going to rant a little because I'm enjoying the discussion.

When I first came to the states from India, I was 12. First of all, I loved my life in India. I remember a lot of good moments of myself growing up. Amazing moments that I will forever cherish. I moved to upstate New York. I had a cousin 2 years older than me who we lived with along with his parents, my uncle and aunt who sponsored us. While I was a little fresh off the boat weak, socially inept Indian kid, he was the highly social all-american as can be, private school attending asshole. I believe he was on the track team as well in his middle and high school. He was an only child and his parents sent him to private school. There were stark differences between the two of us. He treated me like shit and I just had to take it. I had no friends; all my other family was in India; even my immediate family was at the mercy of my witch aunt. We stayed at their house for about 4 months and it was the worst 4 months of my life. Every insecurity that I had to shake off later got created around that time. Could I have done something about it? Maybe. I just didn't know how and didn't have guidance.

My mom was a good mother and dad was a good father in India but lost all his strength when he came over here. Neither had transferrable skills so they busted their ass in minimum wage jobs to make ends meet even working 2 jobs at a point. I was the happiest kid in the world when we finally moved out to a shitty apartment near the ghetto. It was short lived and I struggled every day to survive socially and barely made it. One day I decided: Either I'm going to prove to every motherfucker I ever meet that I can become American or I will die trying. I also subconsciously told myself that I'm going to get there by hard work. Hence came my decision to join the Navy after high school. It was one of the most drastic transformations that ever existed from an Inner Game point of view. I just became a different person.

Fast forward to post-Navy:
-I made E5/NCO in less than 4 years of active duty.
-Girls loved me.
-Got out and used the GI bill to get an Accounting degree in the same god-forsaken racist upstate town I grew up in.
-Got a job with one of the biggest accounting firms in the world right in the middle of times square in NYC. Did 7 years there.
-Got a CPA
-Got married, raising 3 great kids.
-One fine day, discovered the forum and went beyond my abilities to "game."
-Got sick of Accounting and made the bold move to go into sales
-2 years later, recently became one of the top sales people in my company
-Company asks me last week to be a "brand ambassador" and eventually speak at events as a "thought leader."

My cousin:
-Got out of his catholic high school
-Messed around with a few girls
-Went to the local State University and fucked around with every girl he possibly could
-Got the lowest GPA he possibly could, so low that there was nothing he could do to get it back up unless he started fresh. He barely attended classes.
-Essentially shitted and pissed his parents money.
-His parents decided enough is enough, he should get married, a good Indian wife will fix him. (*** common toxic Indian parent thought process***)
-In order to repay his parents for all the grief he caused, decided to marry that Indian wife (a nice, kind and homely, pretty, smart Indian girl that gave him 2 beautiful kids) ----- A marriage arranged by manipulating the girls parents into thinking that the family were really well off and their son was a great kid.
(I'm busting my ass in the Navy at the time"equalizing" myself to just be normal)
-He eventually tells her 2 kids later that he "doesn't love her" ... Divorces her after pissing her money as well (he didn't have a good job).
-Fucks up my credit score because I decided to co-sign a car lease for him (one of the dumbest things I have done)
-He keeps asking me for money...
-His wife is a classical dance teacher; she starts to become one of the most recognized names in that area.
-He moves to Texas and shacks up with an ugly mexican girl that doesn't speak English
-Marries the Mexican girl
-Looks like shit
-Keeps asking me and his other cousins for money....
....
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-I break ties with him....

Fuck that guy. He's the epitome of bad Indian parenting, American privilege and a sense of entitlement rolled up in a destructive little package. Reality caught up to him. Funny thing is that he's one of the most social guys I know. He can make you feel like you're on top of the world. So much that you want to impress him. He got a gift. For that reason, he will always survive.

My relationship with him left a dent in my confidence that even to this day affects me since it was at a crucial time in my life when I should have been playing sports, banging girls and working out. He missed every opportunity to be on my side so he could benefit from it. Notice that I didn't say that "he missed every opportunity to help me." The reason is that I became more resilient because of what he did, another words, he helped me even more to succeed by being a dick.

If it wasn't for him, I would never have what I have to this day. I've been in situations (including my current one in sales) which I have only succeeded through because of that resilience this faggot gave me. One of the things I love about sales is failure, or more so the fear of failure. As long as that fear exists, I work harder than everyone around me. Sad part is that it makes it difficult for me to let my guard down and enjoy myself. I'm 38 years old and still coming to terms with all the stuff I missed out on.

That guy is one of the reasons I dislike certain people like him from my ethnic group. I stay away from hoity toity Indian dudes that think they're god's gift to America because they sound so white and so smart. They date within their group of Indian girls too. This isn't all of them (the ones that are honest with themselves and see it red pill, like Russell Peters, I connect extremely well with). Those guys think they're better than both the white and black people AS WELL AS the other Indian dudes. Fuck them. I would rather be around people that look different from me or be around mainland Indian people that aren't tainted by western culture. I relate better to either of these groups than those tryhards in the middle. I guess there are try hards in every race and culture like this and I can't stand any of them.

God damn, opened up old wounds......you fucks.... :dodgy:

 

[philosophical_recovery]

I have a distaste for classless white behavior, mainly because I grew up very close to that environment.

My family comes from the backwoods of the country, an area riddled with meth, subscription drugs, corruption, bad parenting, and broken families. Luckily, my parents escaped their quagmire, but only set their goals on an average middle class life in the suburbs somewhere. I grew up in a bubble, surrounded by white and other trailer trash, oblivious to how the rest of the country was. I was very smart as a kid, but totally socially inept due to some of the guilt-ridden upbringing I had. It had excellent qualities in many ways for keeping me out of serious trouble, but my parents were incredibly overbearing at a point.

The fear of "weed" and child abduction was huge when I was growing up. I remember riding my bike around the neighborhood, going miles from home when I was around 8-10.

I tried to get into skater culture because it was cool then. Got pretty good at some tricks, and ended up getting in a fight because of some kind of jealousy situation. Learned I couldn't trust any of my friends.

When I was an early teen, I was forbidden from going a quarter mile down to the park because I could get abducted or could smoke weed. So restricted, my only real recourse was, per my parents' recommendation, to "watch TV" instead of playing video games or fooling around on a 56k modem. I got deep, deep into online gaming.

As you could expect, my social skills suffered. I became a recluse. Hated life. Incredibly negative. Struggled with girls. Always saw romantic comedy shit on TV because that's what my mom watched. It did a number on not only my self perception but my attitude. I didn't have any good role models. for what I was supposed to be.

Nothing changed until I started lifting weights, putting on muscle, and stopped being such a pussy.

I'm one of the only people I can think of from my small neighborhood that made it out of that part of the country. Everyone else stayed there. One of my highschool friends got disability in his early 20s, put on about 80lbs, knocked a girl up, and sits on his ass to his fathers everloving discontent. I liked his dad more than him anyway. I'm sure there are more examples that I am forgetting now.

I look around, and just about every white guy I see is a fat fuck or a total hipster pussy faggot. Obesity is huge, and I try not to think about it. My father has kept his weight up for 30 or so years, to the point where we can't do anything physical because he is just too out of shape. I never, ever want to be like that.

Luckily, I know a few good families and solid examples, now. They are few and far between. But, I love it when I see a solid family, a father with a backbone, and kids that have their shit together. It gives me hope that one day, that will be me.

 

[Wutang]

I'm Asian American and while I don't have a dislike for other Asians I do agree with a lot of the criticisms that are being leveled on this thread. One thing I would add is that a big thing I notice about Asian Americans is how insulated and in a bubble they are compared to other ethnic groups. I'm not talking about FOBs since it's natural for first generation members of any immigrant group to gravitates other but rather Asian Americans that either born here or at least raised here since childhood. A lot of Asian Americans have a pretty big disinterest in anything that happens outside of their social circles and family. As long as all their friends and family are either in college and are working a nice white collar job and dating other "proper" Asians then the entire world could be going to hell outside of their bubble for all they care. For all the talk about Asians being well-educated and intelligent I've always noticed that seems to be a general trend of lack of intellectual curiosity among them.

The insular nature of Asian American is also reflected in their apoliticalness. There's been lots of stories coming out this election about how Asian Americans are drifting towards the Democrats but they are only discussing the Asians that are actually politically active - a good portion are not. Asian Americans regularly have the lowest voting rate for any ethnic group and I don't think it's any coincidence that politicians do very little outreach to their communities. The black vote, the Latino vote, the Jew vote and other blocs are constantly talked about but it's pretty uncommon to hear people worrying about the Asian vote. I see this trend myself with the Asian Americans I have encountered through out my life and I believe this trend can be traced back to the Asian being confined to their bubbles thing I was discussing.

There's been some mention of lack of game among Indians and East Asians in this thread. I was thinking about why a while ago and a discovery I came up with was that both cultures traditionally have had a lot of match making and a minimal amount of dating. Even when Western society was a lot more stuffy and uptight there was still the idea of courtship and an expectation that a guy still had to charm and win over a potential mate. Buying a girl a drink might be a beta chump move but it sure as hell isn't as beta as offering the girl's father 3 goats.

 

[MikeS]

Parts of my ethnic group, yes, but not yet towards my native country. I like to think that Denmark is still the sanest of the Scandinavian countries - not as overrun by feminism and political correctness as Sweden and Norway, and among the few Western European countries where the politicians at least make a slight effort to curb immigration (a law from last year making the invaders hand over valuables when they arrive for instance, cuts in their social benefits, and a least a pretense of border control).
That said I'm not really picturing myself moving back there in the foreseeable future - if ever - and settle for visiting family a few times a year.

 

[Disco_Volante]

I'm not sure most of my race (whites) even want to survive anymore. They're naive and willfully blind to their ethnic displacement, and what that means for their grandchildren.

 

[Serious Sam]

I'm a super pale white guy who doesn't understand why lots of black guys hate black women. Those plush lips, juicy asses, big ole titties...dayum!








By the way, I fucking hate most white women. Those stuck up, snarky cunts. Have at 'em my black brothers!

 

[Dalaran1991]

One thing that's very precious about Asian parents in general though, that I dont find in any other race, is the willing financial support for their children.

I wont speak for others, but Vietnamese parents still have this motto: if you dont work hard for yourselves, work hard for your children. Also part of the reason why they dont divorce that often. Mostly every Viet families I know simply assumed that they will support their children until they are financially independent, which might mean well into their late 20s. Even after that, they are still saving up money so they can pass a sizable inheritance to their children.

I realize not long ago how lucky I am that if, whenever I desperately need money, I could ask my parents for help without it being a huge deal (my ego aside)

When I was a student in Paris I noticed how most middle-class Asian students spent money much more than Parisians, thanks to the whole financial weight of their family behind them.

Compared that to the occasional news "white brat sues her parents for not paying her college", I actually quite appreciate being Viet.

 

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

I'm pretty fond of my family and other Viet friends, but I have a general disgust toward the Vietnamese people

I took a dim view of the Vietnamese in college, after experiencing living with them in the dorms. A couple of the women were very friendly, the rest? Mostly thugs. Every ethnic group would have their special functions on campus. The Vietnamese ones would always end up with someone pulling a gun on someone else.

One particular incident that I recall was how abusive they were to the guys who delivered for the local Chinese take-out place. They were literally blocking this guy from doing his job, reveling in their sadism. I ended up intervening, letting the Chinese guy pass, and got death threats from the Vietnamese for my trouble.

 

[Sumanguru]

Huh. It's interesting to hear from the Asian members of this board. Thanks for opening up and being real.

Funny, growing up in Baltimore, I always respected the handful of Asian people I came across. They always owned the stores in my neighborhood and their kids did well in school. I still wish (poor/middle class) black people were doing those two things, we'd be a lot better off.

However, when I went off to college, I met *a lot* of depressed and unhappy Asian-Americans [usually Chinese, Korean, or Japanese-American]. They often had the same story: overbearing parents, especially mom, who didn't give them their own space to grow as a human being. Made them learn violin/piano/generic Western instrument. Beat them if they got less than an A. Their parents and culture worshipped lighter skin, and many of the girls felt ugly being the only Asian girl in their neighborhood/school, so the girls worshipped white cock and the guys were normally beta.

(Note that this dynamic is a lot rarer in Hawaii, but in HI you have Asians who've been there for 3 or 4 generations, they've fully assimilated and are comfortable in their own skin in a way that I just haven't seen from East Coast Asians.)

In a way, Asians were the exact opposite of the poor inner-city black people I grew up with. Whereas many of the poor black people I knew had parents who didn't give a shit and didn't expect them to do anything with their lives, the Asian parents hovered over their kids like helicopters and demanded nothing but becoming elite. When I have kids, I'd like to be in a middle of those two extremes: high expectations for my kids, but also give them space and let them live their lives.

 

[MdWanderer]

I must say that I do not feel a general dislike towards members of my own ethnic group, however, I absolutely HATE what we eventually became (through no fault of our own).

I feel black American culture prior to the 70s was the best. We produced great music, great food, very religious and patriarchal, family oriented, and stressed education and getting ahead in life. The number of single moms in black culture was low, and even then they would send theirs boys off to their grandparents or uncles to raise them. I talk to older blacks all the time, especially the women, and you'd get a sense they would jump through a fire for you.

Nowadays being around a lot of Americans blacks is hard. It's no so much how the culture has degraded, but how we celebrate it. Black music on the radio sucks. Nothing but Beyoncé, Rihanna and rappers who you can't understand the words to what they are saying. The reliance on the Democratic Party is another thing. Over 88% of blacks are going to the polls to vote for a known racist, feminist, and a woman who has compromised national security on numerous occasions over a guy who just said bad things about illegal immigrants, only because of that "D" next to her name. And speaking of Hillary Clinton, her "it takes a village to raise a child" quote is taken too literally by black women, where 75% of them are single moms but have their cousins, siblings, parents, etc. bear the financial and sometimes emotional burden of raising their kids. And they do it gladly rather than condemn the woman for her actions.

We are also marching for the completely wrong reasons. When drug dealers get shot by police, you have marches, protests, riots, and even celebrities and athletes sitting for the National Anthem. But nobody gets upset about the lack of black businesses in black neighborhoods, single motherhood, black on black crime, the federal government's promotion of feminism and drugs in black neighborhoods, and racism on college campuses and in the workplace.

Lastly there is the small mindedness in the black community in the U.S that needs to change. Blacks don't want to hang out with other blacks they perceive as different from the "norm" in Black America: the hip-hop, NBA, swag culture. I rarely encounter blacks who like traveling to other countries, going to beer festivals, hanging out in groups with different ethnicities etc. Traveling for most black people in America is going to Miami or New York. Most of my black friends in college were either Black Canadians, people from the Caribbean, or Africans.

 

[kaotic]

That guy is one of the reasons I dislike certain people like him from my ethnic group. I stay away from hoity toity Indian dudes that think they're god's gift to America because they sound so white and so smart. They date within their group of Indian girls too. This isn't all of them (the ones that are honest with themselves and see it red pill, like Russell Peters, I connect extremely well with). Those guys think they're better than both the white and black people AS WELL AS the other Indian dudes. Fuck them. I would rather be around people that look different from me or be around mainland Indian people that aren't tainted by western culture. I relate better to either of these groups than those tryhards in the middle. I guess there are try hards in every race and culture like this and I can't stand any of them.

God damn, opened up old wounds......you fucks.... :dodgy:

Cobra I'd red you 5 times for this if I could.

Most the Paki's and Indians I've run across are the hoity toity type OR extreme fobs who have interest in immersing themselves in American culture, you know exactly who they are, jeans with sandals, shitty combover hair, and BO lol.

There's been maybe a handful of men from the sub continent that I could relate to, a druggie surfer one, a wigger but smart as fuck one, and a Hindu turned Mormon became a lawyer.

The girls, I don't fuck with them much, I don't even try to game them at all. I've fucked a stuck up obnoxious and lousy 6 that thought she was a 8. Another was a 21 year old whose twin sister was a feminazi, she was a 7. Then there was this 8 - who was a great white buffalo.

I just don't really vibe well with most culture from South Asia, I'm also not religious either also, so that brings more conflict from the Paki side.

 

[Tim in real life]

Filipino by birth here.

I do have an internal love/hate relationship with my own heritage, while my own maternal clan is pushing me towards exogamy.

As for the OP, keep in mind the Anglo elite wants to monopolize European culture, to the point Anglo women are being put in charge of monopoly on gender roles.

 

[Swooper]

This thread makes it seem like RVF is mostly black and Indian followed by some whites. It's rather different than what most would assume the demographic for such a place would be.

As an ethnic Chinese, my culture is something I've learned to draw great strength from. However, I don't focus on race too, too much because it limits one from seeing the big picture.