eddie_7 said:
iknowexactly said:
Goldin Boy said:
Black American here.
I don't dislike Blacks. I don't like them either.
So OP is 100% certain he hates it despite never having had boots on the ground? And this dislike reasons, while they maybe partially true, are just regurgitated boilerplate alt-right/manosphere blogger talking points re: Scandinavia. I'd encourage you to go, I'm planning on do so next year, but it sounds like you've let some others make your mind for you.
The romanticization of Slavic countries as OP seems to be doing falls apart quickly for many or most Americans I'd venture.
Experiencing the extensive details up close of how a low trust culture, although people look similar, makes you feel alienated is hard.
Pricing seems predatory, people are too cynical--I've only lived in Ukraine and Russia about 6 months and didn't learn the language so I'm not really able to give a fair assessment, but others have found it hard to deal with. Someplace like Poland seemed a lot more welcoming although still cold and gloomy.
Interesting idea. As someone who has considered emigrating to EE to live their long term, I've been considering between several countries: Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine and Russia. Poland seems to have the balance between Western comforts and Slavic tradition.
Can you elaborate on the "low trust culture"? From what I've read, the people in these cultures seems less open, less smiling to foreigners or strangers on the get go but if you can get them to warm up to you and build trust gradually, they will open up a lot more. To me it seems like friendships in these cultures are fewer in number but deeper compared to the Western culture of having many but superficial acquaintances, but having never been to these cultures I wouldn't know if this is true. What do you think?
It has more to do with general 'fuck you!' attitude or
tumiwisizm I was writing about here:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58484-post-1402817.html#pid1402817
I will give you a real life example:
In my apartments block a neighbor renovates his apartment. I asked him to conduct all pneumatic hammer drills in the time I am not here, between 11 am - 3 pm. I asked politely, after researching I even said that there were court judgements obliging an investor to minimize the inconvenience for a neighbor. All I have heard back is more or less: fuck you, I do not care at all!
So the only choice left to me to impose some civility is to sue him....I got a lot of negative energy out of it, and I must somehow utilize it, so maybe I will do that.
This is why we say in Poland that Poles are together only in times of disaster, like Solidarity movement in '80ties, Smolensk 2010 catastrophe, Pope John Paul II death in 2005.
Otherwise it is
'każdy sobie rzepkę skrobie', a known Polish proverb which tells you, 'it's every man for himself'.
You could also name the man's behaviour
chamstwo,
chamstwo being a Polish word for every kind of uncivil conduct "in your eyes". However,
chamstwo expressed also a disregarding attitude towards peasants on the side of the old Polish nobility culture, since all peasants were to come from biblical Cham (Ham) and the old, archaic meaning of
chamstwo/chamy is just that, peasants, simply; hence, there is an undertone of hierarchic society here. On the other side, there is a theme of rebelliousness and a fight for equality... the practical expression thereof being disregard and anarchy.
It is just to remind you that evaluative framework of culture is very old, sometimes...
For you, the practical conclusion of that arcane semantics of past is that living in Poland means also fighting for your equality sometimes, as it is not taken for granted.
