Apple challenging FBI demand to hack iphone
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Too bad Trump came out in favor of increased surveillance, but you have to take the good with the bad. Electing Trump won't be worse on surveillance than electing any of the other puppets, but at least we might get some action on immigration and trade in the bargain. Wait for the "perfect" candidate and you'll drop dead first.
eatthishomie
Pelican
Apple is richer than the Treasury. Let's see if they're more powerful than the government. For the sake of our freedom, safety, and privacy I hope so.
FBI: Hey Apple can we have help for this ?
Apple: Yeah sure, here's what we got -gives information-
FBI: Dude, this isn't enough, we need you to make a backdoor and a new iOS
Apple: Nah man, not cool, can't help you with that, slippery slope.
FBI: Alright, well fine then, here's a court order.
Apple:
Meanwhile at Apple headquarters:
Apple: Yeah sure, here's what we got -gives information-
FBI: Dude, this isn't enough, we need you to make a backdoor and a new iOS
Apple: Nah man, not cool, can't help you with that, slippery slope.
FBI: Alright, well fine then, here's a court order.
Apple:
Meanwhile at Apple headquarters:
eatthishomie
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RIslander said:
"First they came for the communists..."
Tim Cook will fold when FBI offers to hunt down and imprison some "homophobic bloggers" in return 
The terrorism crap is a farce, most of the ones they indict are dumbshits who wouldn't plan anything on their own but are goaded into talking big by informants/rats.
Just another pointless public "debate" to distract and confuse the masses while passing unconstitutional laws, similar to gay marriage.
Just another pointless public "debate" to distract and confuse the masses while passing unconstitutional laws, similar to gay marriage.
eatthishomie
Pelican
Handsome Creepy Eel said:Tim Cook will fold when FBI offers to hunt down and imprison some "homophobic bloggers" in return
Either that or he'll wake up one day facing 50+ mysterious 30 year old rape accusations.
Mr. Wolf said:
That older Motorola flip phone won't even work any more in most of the western world :-/
Stimulus
Woodpecker
Well, are there still people that believe governments around the globe don't already have acces to, lets say, ALL of what you do while using the internet?
Ever been in an Apple store for some problems with you iDevice? I've been there. The hooked up my iPhone and they were able to check about everything I ever done with it. Apps I deleted over a year ago? All info was still there. Numer of times used, crashed, total time of use, login fails, everything. Not to mention Apple is the mother of all controlfreaks, yet still losing the battle vs whizkids finding and exploiting those backdoors in order to run a Jailbreak.
And that is just Apple. Don't forget about Facebook and all of it's other apps like Whatsapp, Instagram, etc. Then there's the apps and websites people login to using that same FB account. Ever wondered how facebook keeps spamming 'friend suggestions' of girls you have no relationship with trough FB (no mutual friends etc) whatsoever, other then you got her number via Tinder and moved the convo to whatsapp?
I've always been reluctant to add my phone number to FB. A few weeks ago I got this banner when opening FB saying: "Hello Stimulus, we think your phone number is XXZZ (my number alright), would you like to confirm this phone number and link it to your account?" I clicked 'no', but it doesn't matter anyway.
Windows 10 sending data to their servers about what you are doing while using their OS non-stop.
Google tracking everything you do unless you uncheck some boxes.
Gosh, at some services it's impossible to even create an e-mail account without entering your phone number in order to receive some shitty 'confirmation text'.
Ever been in an Apple store for some problems with you iDevice? I've been there. The hooked up my iPhone and they were able to check about everything I ever done with it. Apps I deleted over a year ago? All info was still there. Numer of times used, crashed, total time of use, login fails, everything. Not to mention Apple is the mother of all controlfreaks, yet still losing the battle vs whizkids finding and exploiting those backdoors in order to run a Jailbreak.
And that is just Apple. Don't forget about Facebook and all of it's other apps like Whatsapp, Instagram, etc. Then there's the apps and websites people login to using that same FB account. Ever wondered how facebook keeps spamming 'friend suggestions' of girls you have no relationship with trough FB (no mutual friends etc) whatsoever, other then you got her number via Tinder and moved the convo to whatsapp?
I've always been reluctant to add my phone number to FB. A few weeks ago I got this banner when opening FB saying: "Hello Stimulus, we think your phone number is XXZZ (my number alright), would you like to confirm this phone number and link it to your account?" I clicked 'no', but it doesn't matter anyway.
Windows 10 sending data to their servers about what you are doing while using their OS non-stop.
Google tracking everything you do unless you uncheck some boxes.
Gosh, at some services it's impossible to even create an e-mail account without entering your phone number in order to receive some shitty 'confirmation text'.
Mr. Wolf said:
There's nothing more un-secure than an old analog cellular phone, anyone could hear your conversation with a cheap 800mhz scanner. Also same goes for the old analog cordless phones. You're not really guaranteed voice privacy on digital CDMA or GSM phones either. Both the cellular carrier and your device need to have it switched on for the conversation data to be encrypted, that's how those "Stingray" devices can spy on you by faking a cell tower.
If you're really paranoid it's possible to see those debug variables during a call to see if it's encrypted or you're connected through a Stingray box.
Also from what I've read Microsoft has also refused to build a backdoor for the feds into BitLocker, the disk encryption built into Windows 7 and up, so you're safe there for now.
Mr. Wolf
Robin
DJ-Matt said:
Yeah, I hear ya. It was really just a luddite backlash attempt at humor. What really bothers me is the fact that Google is actively listening to everything within earshot of your phone, at all times. That's how the "OK Google ..." voice search functionality works. I should sit down and figure out how to disable that. Siri is probably similar.
Foolsgo1d
Peacock
I wonder if George Orwell ever envisioned a device small enough to fit in your pocket, which captures HD images and video, connecting most humans on the planet in a sociopath narcissistic social media network jerk-a-thon, allows tracking of data and renders many of its users unable to function without it ona day to day basis.
Oh and the government can use it to track you.
Oh and the government can use it to track you.
The cynic within me sees this as a marketing tactic. "You see, we totally respect privacy we don't even cave to FBI/CIA/NSA APPLE=PRIVACY."
Apple is likely putting up a bit of a staged fight which has inevitably drawn publicity but will ultimately comply.
Not that I have any issue with breaking into a phone of people that have ALREADY committed a terrorist act resulting in several deaths.
Apple is likely putting up a bit of a staged fight which has inevitably drawn publicity but will ultimately comply.
Not that I have any issue with breaking into a phone of people that have ALREADY committed a terrorist act resulting in several deaths.
For anyone that values their privacy I recommend taking a look at this company's products
https://www.silentcircle.com/
They have software and apps you can download for your phone to encrypt all calls and texts, and they even make their own smartphone that has it's own private OS with all the secure encryptions on it and has no backdoor built into it.
https://www.silentcircle.com/
They have software and apps you can download for your phone to encrypt all calls and texts, and they even make their own smartphone that has it's own private OS with all the secure encryptions on it and has no backdoor built into it.
eatthishomie said:
I honestly don't give two shits about the FBI tracking data. They're not listening to your calls and reading your texts about the married MILF you banged last week. It's just macro analysis of massive amounts of contacts between users, so they can identify trends and identify subversion or terrorism.
Im a law abiding American, it doesn't affect me.
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