Floridian1
Pigeon
Try fasting. It is a natural way to boost HGH.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-4922.html?highlight=fasting
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-4922.html?highlight=fasting
Approaching and Hitting the Male Wall
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Male wall victim hit hard at 68.
NewMeta
Kingfisher
CrashBangWallop said:
I'd have an idea if I had a time machine, would want to be sick at either gymnastics or olympic weightlifting and attempt to make it to the olympics. Impossible goal now though, only realistic one is to compete in powerlifting where you peak in your early 30's, which I've been passively preparing for (at least squat and bench, I can't quite cope with deadlift in my routine anymore).
And there in lies the problem, I figure out how to live my life to the fullest when it is already too late. I need to have a son and live my life vicariously through him and make him the olympic athlete I wouldve wanted to be
xxMarco
Robin
Interesting read. I'm turning 29 this year and I'm starting to experience more joint pain and hangovers that keep me in bed. I've also noticed I don't have motivation to approach women as much as I used to. Could be low testosterone.
Otherwise I'm in the best shape I've ever been. I hope I have a few more years left before toning down my workouts.
Otherwise I'm in the best shape I've ever been. I hope I have a few more years left before toning down my workouts.
Sidney Crosby said:Male wall victim hit hard at 68.
My guess is Letterman is having a great time. I couldn't imagine being on TV all the time for decades, constantly on-air and under scrutiny. He is just blowing off some steam and giving all that BS a hearty fuck you. Good for him. Guy is loaded and can do anything he wants. What he wants now might be strange to us mortals, but he is in rare company.
When im 70 I hope to be in a similar state where most of life was incredible and now I don't give a shit, just grow a huge beard, exercise, read, look at some grandchildren.
I find I get more attention now than I did 20 years ago, this is because so many other men my age have let themselves go and /or due to there genes they just look like shit.
If you do all the positive things that are repeated over and over again on this forum as you age, you will be that diamond in the rough, you will have that edge that you could not have perhaps had when you were 20 (when I was 20 I looked like a pimple faced young teenager) competition is fierce in the 20s, its hard to stand out as a prime specimen among so many others.
The one thing with this though is that most of the attention you get will be from older women, this doesn't bother me though as there are plenty of hot early 30s women around.
I am 40 and I still get regular attention and IOIs from young girls but I NEVER tell them my real age unless they are 25 plus.
If you do all the positive things that are repeated over and over again on this forum as you age, you will be that diamond in the rough, you will have that edge that you could not have perhaps had when you were 20 (when I was 20 I looked like a pimple faced young teenager) competition is fierce in the 20s, its hard to stand out as a prime specimen among so many others.
The one thing with this though is that most of the attention you get will be from older women, this doesn't bother me though as there are plenty of hot early 30s women around.
I am 40 and I still get regular attention and IOIs from young girls but I NEVER tell them my real age unless they are 25 plus.
Tully Mars
Robin
I think one thing being overlooked in this post is setting yourself up for "options" later in life to help avoid that wall. I am by no means a wealthy man, but I was able to figure out a way to match my career into an international lifestyle which is heads and shoulders above anything I would be living in the USA.
I am 41 and know if I was still in the USA I would be a chunky, alcoholic, drug using, middle aged man chasing around single mothers or easy bar sluts. Who knows maybe I would of married some average single mom, living in a cookie cutter suburban home.....bulldozing my way into the "WALL".
I go back home once a year to visit. I am amazed to see how my friends and family are all almost invisible to the opposite sex. How many are overweight, and gone to shit. Many walk around in a foggy almost lifeless state, stoked mainly about the next big sporting event. I feel so lucky I was able to get out before I was settling into a life I didn't want.
Living abroad, has given me a boost, a second life. Physically I started TRT last year and find the physical and mental boost a game changer. My sex life is great, and I have dates with young femine women, when I go out solo I almost always meet a women or feel some warmth and reciprocity towards my advances. This would not happen in my home city in the USA, here women simply don't have the same hang ups about my age.
I feel like there are endless possibilities and opportunities while most men my age are going through a mid-life crisis, stressing out and fearing their later years! Again my advice to the young men, set yourself up now so you have "options" for a life/career overseas away from Western culture!
I am 41 and know if I was still in the USA I would be a chunky, alcoholic, drug using, middle aged man chasing around single mothers or easy bar sluts. Who knows maybe I would of married some average single mom, living in a cookie cutter suburban home.....bulldozing my way into the "WALL".
I go back home once a year to visit. I am amazed to see how my friends and family are all almost invisible to the opposite sex. How many are overweight, and gone to shit. Many walk around in a foggy almost lifeless state, stoked mainly about the next big sporting event. I feel so lucky I was able to get out before I was settling into a life I didn't want.
Living abroad, has given me a boost, a second life. Physically I started TRT last year and find the physical and mental boost a game changer. My sex life is great, and I have dates with young femine women, when I go out solo I almost always meet a women or feel some warmth and reciprocity towards my advances. This would not happen in my home city in the USA, here women simply don't have the same hang ups about my age.
I feel like there are endless possibilities and opportunities while most men my age are going through a mid-life crisis, stressing out and fearing their later years! Again my advice to the young men, set yourself up now so you have "options" for a life/career overseas away from Western culture!
Great topic and one that is long overdue.
I am in my late 40s and I guess you could say I am one of the lucky ones. I generally get pegged for being in my mid 30s, which is a relief.
There is no way you can hit the wall in your 20's and even 30's, you keep growing until you are 25.
Too many guys take their bodies for granted, if you keep mistreating it eventually it will say fuck you.
Case in point I know of three guys who passed away this month, the age range is between 36 -50.
I wish guys would stop referring to TV personalities, you should only be concerned with the person in the mirror. I don't know Letterman, but I am sure he doesn't give two shits about what people think of him.
As you get older exercise and diet become way more important. Junk food should be eaten at a minimum, once a week or once a month at best.
I am in my late 40s and I guess you could say I am one of the lucky ones. I generally get pegged for being in my mid 30s, which is a relief.
There is no way you can hit the wall in your 20's and even 30's, you keep growing until you are 25.
Too many guys take their bodies for granted, if you keep mistreating it eventually it will say fuck you.
Case in point I know of three guys who passed away this month, the age range is between 36 -50.
I wish guys would stop referring to TV personalities, you should only be concerned with the person in the mirror. I don't know Letterman, but I am sure he doesn't give two shits about what people think of him.
As you get older exercise and diet become way more important. Junk food should be eaten at a minimum, once a week or once a month at best.
I predict a thread like this would be moot in about 15 years.
Between stem cell replacement therapy, collagen replacement, nano plastic surgery etc... it will be all about having the money to refuel yourself.
The exercise and diet focuses and fads will go from 80% importance in a pie chart to about 5%.
No matter how many avocados, cyrofreeze sessions, stretches, or workouts you do, you will still age.
Scientific intervention is the only thing that can literally turn back time.
Sometimes I just hope guys think long term in this regard and how the importance of money will grow exponentially as both you age and as each year goes by to afford the super healthcare and cosmetic cares of the future.
I think in 25 years you will literally be able to make "best version of your face" with nano plastic surgery and gene therapy for an affordable cost with little pain / recovery.
Michael Jackson style as if his plan worked out as intended to the fullest with out all the bandages and pain killers. It will be strange.
Between stem cell replacement therapy, collagen replacement, nano plastic surgery etc... it will be all about having the money to refuel yourself.
The exercise and diet focuses and fads will go from 80% importance in a pie chart to about 5%.
No matter how many avocados, cyrofreeze sessions, stretches, or workouts you do, you will still age.
Scientific intervention is the only thing that can literally turn back time.
Sometimes I just hope guys think long term in this regard and how the importance of money will grow exponentially as both you age and as each year goes by to afford the super healthcare and cosmetic cares of the future.
I think in 25 years you will literally be able to make "best version of your face" with nano plastic surgery and gene therapy for an affordable cost with little pain / recovery.
Michael Jackson style as if his plan worked out as intended to the fullest with out all the bandages and pain killers. It will be strange.
Medical treatments cannot replace the human will and spirit to live a healthy life-style.
Self control and discipline are mindsets extended through exercise and diet to keep us healthy for life.
Increased availability of "fountain of youth" procedures will allow more people to simply abuse themselves and later re-up their dosages.
I am all for progress in medical tech, but unintended consequences come with the upgrades.
In 1850, no one would have imagined all the fatties we have today either.
Self control and discipline are mindsets extended through exercise and diet to keep us healthy for life.
Increased availability of "fountain of youth" procedures will allow more people to simply abuse themselves and later re-up their dosages.
I am all for progress in medical tech, but unintended consequences come with the upgrades.
In 1850, no one would have imagined all the fatties we have today either.
Travesty said:
I'd imagine some milenials would cry wall at 20 something. I guess it happened.
It's important to define what "The Wall" really is.
"The Wall" is the point in your life where you are past the peak of your SMV. You can no longer increase or even sustain your SMV.
This is a difficult metric to measure with men.
It is easy with women because the way we generally define their value is with their beauty, youth, firtility, and ability to care and nurture for family and household. Therefor, "The Wall" for a woman is typically when their looks and ability to reproduce and rear children decline.
A man's value is defined by a number of different variables that are not all entirely governed by age. Not to mention that generally a man can still be very attractive and sexually competitive into his 50's and beyond given his lifestyle. Women do not value youth in men like men value youth in women.
Looking at the cream of he crop with the best access to personal health, there are far more attractive middle aged men in Hollywood than women.
A man's wall is the point in his life where he is no longer able to leverage his assets to gain desirable women who would want him to father their children.
Given the state of "family" in the West the "fathering their children" thing may seem archaic but you get the picture.
A man could be in his 60's or even 70's as long as he's in good physical shape, financially sound, and can still get it up and make babies then he's still in the game.
"The Wall" is the point in your life where you are past the peak of your SMV. You can no longer increase or even sustain your SMV.
This is a difficult metric to measure with men.
It is easy with women because the way we generally define their value is with their beauty, youth, firtility, and ability to care and nurture for family and household. Therefor, "The Wall" for a woman is typically when their looks and ability to reproduce and rear children decline.
A man's value is defined by a number of different variables that are not all entirely governed by age. Not to mention that generally a man can still be very attractive and sexually competitive into his 50's and beyond given his lifestyle. Women do not value youth in men like men value youth in women.
Looking at the cream of he crop with the best access to personal health, there are far more attractive middle aged men in Hollywood than women.
A man's wall is the point in his life where he is no longer able to leverage his assets to gain desirable women who would want him to father their children.
Given the state of "family" in the West the "fathering their children" thing may seem archaic but you get the picture.
A man could be in his 60's or even 70's as long as he's in good physical shape, financially sound, and can still get it up and make babies then he's still in the game.
Yes, at age 48 years, 7 months my peak distance was 20,000 meters (long course) per day (low intensity doing 8,000-10,000 meters in the morning with weights (45-60 minutes) afterward 3-4 days per week followed by 8,000-12,000 meters in the afternoon. The afternoon workout was preceded by (30-45 minutes) of dryland training 3-4 days per week. Morning practice is generally in the water at 0500 and finishing at 0700-0730 (weights followed). In the afternoon, dryland training began at 1430 and then in the water at 1500-1515 until 1700-1800. Sometimes we had mental training in the evenings depending on the meso-cycles and competitions. Saturday practices were/are normally a 3 hour ordeal often with weights or dryland and/or mental training afterward. I dropped down to 18,000 meters peak distance shortly afterward during the next training cycle. Now I am at 16,000 meters peak distance and my next dip will be to 14,000-14,500 meters. My body fat is normally 6-6.5% during peak distance (where my fat intake is moderate, cholesterol in range and my T-levels near 800) and will drop down to 4.5-5% during taper where my body super compensates and I compete. When I am surfing more my body fat is 6-8% and I am a little meatier as surfing is more power and less endurance than swimming in general. If you are interested in workouts, sets, intervals or other specifics, send me a PM.