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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stoyan" data-source="post: 1587382" data-attributes="member: 24958">My counterargument.This your statement sounds like.This is an extremely liberal bias here. I would just respectfully disagree on that one. The current state of culture and society in the west is because people said that there is no such thing as "Christian" culture. In doing so, they demolished their own ancient Christian culture and replaced it with an even more hollow and shallow, fake and made up "pop culture" or "liberal culture".Why are Middle Eastern Islamic countries maintaining traditional patriarchal societies to this day? Because they have Imams or authorities who are able to draw a clear line what is Islamic culture, and what is culture of a foreign civilization. For example, we can clearly picture what is Islamic clothing: gowns and robes, hijab, ghutra hoods, fez caps and turbans. There is a certain kind of Islamic architectural style, or collection of related architectural styles. There is also Islamic art, which is very distinctive and easily recognizable. In the Islamic world imams forbid women to wear yoga pants. You might think that's crazy, but they are actually preserving their civilization from foreign influences.Similarly, take a look at the Amish. There is a distinctive Amish look and feel, in their clothes, their architecture, their music, their art, their lifestyle, their language. They are probably the only White people who preserved their own culture and didn't assimilate in the United States! I can't not respect such people.Your idea that there is no such thing as "Christian" culture is another response to the thread "What is wrong with Protestantism as a Christian denomination according to Orthodoxy?" Look at mainstream American Protestants, how very different they are to the Amish! Except for extant churches which were built in the 19th century, modern Protestant churches are just brutalist concrete and glass structures, like of some kind of corporation. And the priests inside wear suits and ties just like any corporate or political worldly people. "Western Christians" in general are only Christians in matters of personal beliefs only. However they live worldly lives, wear secular clothing, participate in the pop culture. That is their main folly, unlike the Amish they don't care about their traditional culture, art, music, clothing, etc ... because, just as you say, they deny that such a culture even exists to begin with.If not having traditional culture, then what is the replacement? It is a fake made up culture. Instead of traditional clothing, lousy T shirts with corporate logos. Instead of traditional home made healthy food, made up junk food laced with preservatives, artificial colors, and excessive sugars, such as burgers and donuts. Instead of Victorian Art Novaeu architecture, modernist glass cubes. Instead of traditional "extended" families, rainbow families. You see where this is going??! Even ancient pagan mythologies such as Greko-Roman and Hindu Indian, they have lots of heroes and demigods with epic quests, but these stories were passed along over thousands of years, and often have very deep philosophical implications to teach children some lesson. However Marvel super heroes are just made up, their clothes are weird, and they do not teach children anything other than who has the most powers wins the fight.A very sad example of this is Japan. I like the traditional Japanese clothing, art, and architecture. It is so very beautiful. Unfortunately there are places in modern Japan where you could walk around the city for hours and not find any authentic Japanese culture. Sure, the people are ethnically Japanese and their language is a slang form of Japanese, but their traditional culture was heavily distorted because of exposure to the Western culture, and failed to properly defend it to a large extent, didn't failed completely as there still are traditional martial arts and hanfu communities.One advantage that Orthodoxy has over Protestantism is that Orthodox priests have their own traditional clothing, their own architecture style with the domes, arches, and frescoes, iconostas, bells etc. Hence there are guidelines drawn what falls within the bounds of the Orthodox culture, and what outside. Clothes for non-members of the priesthood maybe ethnic Eastern European clothes (which were even worn at the start of the 20th century), or like clothes that Russian Old Believers wear to this day. For example women wear long skirts and head scarves, often with embroidery.I think that my position should be clear by now, that people have to be conservatives such as Muslims, Amish, or Eastern European Orthodox, if they want to preserve their culture. So use your traditions as a fortress against the Western fake made up pop culture. In the contrary situation, you lose your traditions, you lose your culture, and such people who don't have a sense of identity are much easier to control in the short term (cucked conformists), and in the long term society collapses. Remember who your ancestors were, they created a remarkable culture over hundreds, even thousands of years. Do not let it be forgotten in only a few generations, it's your cultural kind of DNA. It would be a shame. What does religion have to do with traditional culture? Everything! Because the culture is the soul of the people. If the soul of a people is spiritually corrupt, then you have cultural decay. If the soul of a people is spiritually healthy, then you have traditional culture and worldviews, with all the constructive effects on society as a whole.So going back to heavy metal music, from an Orthodox point of view, such kind of music wasn't around during the Byzantine Empire, or during the Russian Empire, so it shouldn't be used. The strong association of such music with Western atheistic pop culture, and even crazy Satanist cults, is an even greater reason why it should be avoided.</blockquote>

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