Are most married couples unhappy?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.

 

[John Dodds]

Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.

I was married throughout the whole process.
In the 1990s my wife became entitled to half my pension and my inherited house on divorce.
In 2003 I could suddenly 'rape' my wife.

None of it was done with my consent, or even the chance for me to opt out of the marriage.
In 2009 she divorced me taking everything she could and claiming I had been raping her for 20 years. (The judge had to point out she could only claim rape for 6 years)
50% of women applying for divorce now claim rape, It gets the husband excluded from the family home, and 100% child custody immediately.

At no point in time was I given any choices.
The only choice a man has, is not to get married.
Did it matter that I married the mythical 19 year old Christian Virgin from a good Christian family? not one bit!
Don't do it guys, marriage in the western world is a lose lose contract for men.
At least you millennials have been given the information, if you still decide to get married, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

In the immortal words of WOPR, "The only way to win this game is not to play"

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Yeah - they changed the game in the end. Rollo Tomassi despite being happily married recommends no marriage for young men in our current times and especially in the US. Maybe if you are high-networth you can afford the best prenups and lawyers so that even a rape allegation does not fly.

Even in terms of Game awareness you have to realize that marriage just gives women more mental power as well and the women certainly don't need that anymore in our times.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Though obviously there are plenty of exceptions.

PewDiPie married a virgin/near-virgin girl that he knew since she was 18, he is Red Pilled to some degree and has even some Game.

Plus a divorce wouldn't hurt him since he is worth tens of millions - going into hundreds of millions in the future.

On top of it - he does not marry in the insane US legal climate, my guess is that it's Sweden which have quite amicable divorce proceedings.

There are also other caveats - you absolutely have to make sure to get a woman that is immunized against the constant relentless propaganda, essentially also accepting the Red Pill with you. Otherwise due to the relentless programming of feminism and empowerment, she is going to change over time. Now obviously no one knew much about it in the 1950s except for a few dozen people who found about the details in documents like the Reece Congressional Committee, but this still worked on the people.

In a way you need to get a woman who is detached from the mainstream programming and even entertainment. PewDiPie's wife fits that bill to a great degree - you can find other such women who don't give a rat's ass about the mainstream, think they are all liers as well and who hate most modern entertainment. However if you don't do that, then you will rue the day - the media will reprogram your little darling over time. Plus her friends will do the rest as they are getting the same job done on them.

 

[FullThrottleTX]

As I get more and more burned out from each random lay or from attempting to constantly keep plates spinning I keep turning back to serious monogamous relationships. My only real hiccup here is that I find that hard to fit into my plans of wanting to travel much more often in the near future(within the next couple of years) and I'm not sure if I want kids or not(I think life may be more fulfilling with them), but thats a whole separate discussion.

Oh and the fact that I feel like almost every married couple I know is either miserable or two closer friends I know that are married to women from SEA and appear to be happy are also quite blue pilled and live a more "yes dear" life and are eventually going to end up bring their families over. Sometimes I do envy their ignorance but its also sad at the same time. However I honestly expect their relationships to last as the women seem caring and appreciative towards them.

Any other couple I know have nothing but constant problems or are quite unfaithful. I feel like I watch more and more relationships unfold than come out successful these days. Red pill knowledge tells me to never get married because it is a losing game and that I don't disagree with, but its also unrealistic if you're trying to start a family with a women overseas unless you move to her place, and even then marriage there might be more convenient for citizenship.

I'm on the fence about marry in the US, it seems to be a zero sum game here. Not even for the financial risk but just the simple fact that everyone seems damn miserable. Curious to hear others opinions though and if my sample I'm looking at is just a miserable bunch.

From someone who is divorced...

I think the man is to blame for the misery 3/4 of the time. If you're able to see ahead into the future and keep things spicy, you can have a happy marriage.

Without kids, marriage is very pointless and becomes more empty and lonely over time. My old boss just let me know his wife divorced him at 55. They were growing apart, and the big hanging chad was he knocked up some chick overseas and has a 4 year old kid. He told me the main reason they grew apart was a lack of children in their 50s. Makes sense... He seems happier divorced with a bastard kid overseas than he was before lol. I was smart and got out of this situation before I turned 30.

With kids, the main issue is the numale relationship to parenting that is a disease amongst the millennials. It's very unattractive for a woman to see a man acting like a mother. These behaviors: kissing/hugging kids excessively, pushing a baby stroller, a man wearing an Indian bupta pouch with a kid in it, a man being overly involved in things like changing poopy diapers and PTA meetings, ect. I see it all the time at work, my male coworkers with kids have fear if they don't return home from work before their wives do, the kids will be permanently damaged - or the wife will be mad. Either or both. I always ask these guys when they can't hang out after work because of kids, "where's your wife?".

If you want a good example of a man who raised his kids appropriately, Don Draper from Mad Men. He wasn't around often, he was working and philandering. But when he was, it counted a lot. The kids respected him. What Don Draper didn't do right though was keep his marriage spicy. He neglected it too much. It's okay for a man to neglect his kids, but it's not okay for a man to neglect his wife...

Modern men neglect their wives and care for their kids (out of fear of their wives). It's sad. I will never have that relationship, I'd rather be alone forever.

So when choosing a wife, you've gotta find one comfortable for taking the lead in parenting, with you as the assertive hell raising backup. Your job is to provide and defend, hers is to raise the kids. I swear, even modern couples I know that have this arrangement (including boomers) are way happier.

Honestly, no chick is "immune from propaganda" and you can't control what they think, but the likelihood you turn some kind of Tinder or bar hoe into a good mother is pretty slim. Most of you guys, if you want this, should probably go to church.

 

[Captain Gh]

Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.

I was married throughout the whole process.
In the 1990s my wife became entitled to half my pension and my inherited house on divorce.
In 2003 I could suddenly 'rape' my wife.

None of it was done with my consent, or even the chance for me to opt out of the marriage.
In 2009 she divorced me taking everything she could and claiming I had been raping her for 20 years. (The judge had to point out she could only claim rape for 6 years)
50% of women applying for divorce now claim rape, It gets the husband excluded from the family home, and 100% child custody immediately.

At no point in time was I given any choices.
The only choice a man has, is not to get married.
Did it matter that I married the mythical 19 year old Christian Virgin from a good Christian family? not one bit!
Don't do it guys, marriage in the western world is a lose lose contract for men.
At least you millennials have been given the information, if you still decide to get married, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

In the immortal words of WOPR, "The only way to win this game is not to play"

Rape Your Wife????

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:mindblown:

Clown World is Firmly Here Folks!

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Honestly, no chick is "immune from propaganda" and you can't control what they think, but the likelihood you turn some kind of Tinder or bar hoe into a good mother is pretty slim. Most of you guys, if you want this, should probably go to church.

Immunity from propaganda comes by you being fully updated on all the globalist scams and talking about that to your woman. It also comes with her accepting and following your lead on those topics. It's not that uncommon frankly, but it takes a thorough investment of yours into all areas.

Women usually follow the lead of their men. I know a champagne-socialist woman who became an outright champagne-communist because her new husband was a smart guy all being into it.

My own girl not only accepted all my non-mainstream political awareness even if she does not care about them too much as women simply don't. But it was funny when I told her about Game and Red Pill. She began to notice interactions of couples she met and witnessed even in the streets. She realized when a man behaved too Beta, she became aware of good and bad Game etc.

Obviously that cannot be done with all women and it probably depends on the strength and depth of your persuasions. Though the elite knows that married women do vote very similar to their husbands, so if it works on the Democrat-Republican spectrum, then it works also on a metric beyond that mainstream dichotomy.

 

[John Dodds]

Rape Your Wife????
Clown World is Firmly Here Folks!

In the UK
Before 2003 consent for sex was considered implicit in the marriage contract. If you were married, she had already given consent, no need to ask again, she can't call the police.
After 2003, the marriage contract was no longer considered consent, and she could claim rape if she felt like it, same as a girl you met the night before on a date.

What actually didn't you understand?

 

[Geremia]

The Baltimore Catechism 4.*290 explains why:

Q. Why do many marriages prove unhappy?

A. Many marriages prove unhappy because they are entered into hastily and without worthy motives.

"Hastily"--without knowing the person well or considering their character or dispositions; without trying to discover whether they are sober, industrious, virtuous, and the like; whether they know and practice their religion, or whether, on the contrary, they are given to vices forbidden by good morals, and totally forgetful of their religious duties. In a word, those wishing to marry should look for enduring qualities in their lifelong companions, and not for characteristics that please the fancy for the time being. They should, besides, truly love each other. Again, the persons should be nearly equals in education, social standing, etc., for it helps greatly to secure harmony between families and unity of thought and action between themselves.

"Worthy motives." The motives are worthy when persons marry to fulfill the end for which God instituted marriage. It would, for example, be an unworthy motive to marry solely for money, property, or other advantage, without any regard for the holiness and end of the Sacrament. There are many motives that may present themselves to the minds of persons wishing to marry, and they will know whether they are worthy or unworthy, good or bad, if by serious consideration they weigh them well and value them by their desire to please God and lead a good life. Every person's motive in getting married or in entering into any new state of life should be that he may be able to serve God better in that state than in any other.

 

[beaupre]

I haven't read through all the replies here yet, but I will. Apologies in advance if I'm rehashing anything that's already been said. Anyway, I think 75% of my friends have been married and divorced, many of them bitter divorces. My parents had screaming matches all through my childhood. So I've been really scared of marriage even though deep in my heart I'd like to get married and raise a family because I'm a bit of a romantic.

They say the person you married 20 years ago or even 5 years ago is not the same person you're married to today. It's hard work sometimes. A friend from my church met his wife through a mutual friend. They started dating (platonic) and had a cute and charming courtship. But after they got married they stopped doing that and now they're two people occupying the same house. That's another thing I'm afraid of happening to me.

I have one friend who's on his second marriage and told me to never get married, that I'm not missing a single thing. He said raising kids is fine, as he loves his kids, who he had with his first wife. He's miserable now and wants a divorce. His wife targeted him because of his income and played him like a fiddle. He's like a brother to me so I feel really bad about the whole thing.

I guess one advantage to being broke is I'll never have to worry about a woman marrying me for my money because I have none!

 

[Zenta]

I just want to update the OP almost a year later to say one of the two friends that I thought was in a more stable marriage with a SEA woman is now getting divorced by her now that she has her green card solidly locked in. Looks like he was played from the start. From what I heard from another friend she wanted a better man who could give her more. Give her more? My friend already had given her his hand in marriage, bought a house of her choosing to be able to have enough rooms to bring her family over(which I found out that his wife wanted to move to somewhere like Florida shortly after buying the house because she didn't like it), and generally treated her well going along with everything she made him do. He never had a good job and was planning to goto school after she finished her school but I guess that was another ruse to lead him on by her part. Becareful who you trust out there. He is keeping the house but I do not know the details, but very surprised at that, she made much more money than him by doing nails at her family business so perhaps she felt sorry for him.

The other one who shares the same nationality of his wife remains in a happy marriage and it puts a smile on my face every time I see them.

 

[andy dufresne]

As a former marriage slave all I can add are two words:

MGTOW forever.

 

[Cr33pin]

Well the simple solution would be to live by the motto "HAPPY WIFE HAPPY LIFE"
Then everyone in the marriage is happy amirite??

 

[JamalH]

If you let the woman do things her way of course you'll be unhappy. If you want sex, tell her, don't complain about not getting any and not say anything to her at all. That's where all your issues are, you accommodate to what she wants. You train her that way BEFORE you marry, if she doesn't follow the way you want things to be before you marry then dont marry her.

 

[beaupre]

 

[Thomas More]

I wonder how many of the guys bitching about marriage and women being so bad are actually married.

and of those that are, or were, maybe you should consider that to have a good woman who will be submissive, you need to be the kind of man that is worth submitting to.

I'm married. A lot of previous posters are divorced.

Being alpha and leading your wife works for a while, sometimes, and marrying a traditionally raised, true believing religious girl helps. However, as the years go by, the strong dominant husband ends up being gaslighted into the patriarchal oppressor, who thinks he owns his wife like a slave. The traditional young woman you married ends up in her late 30s becoming a zealous feminist.

Yeah, there are long lasting happy marriages. However, they are a pretty small percentage, and even those started with a traditional woman from 40-50 years ago. The odds of a young woman today staying sweet are much lower.

 

[Blade Runner]

Everything ultimately comes down to what the culture supports or incents. Normal people can't even discipline their own children without being called some type of abuser these days, so it's not that hard to imagine that over time, with this culture you just have to deal with more and more BS - and no one has your back.

 

[Lionheart]

I was married throughout the whole process.
In the 1990s my wife became entitled to half my pension and my inherited house on divorce.
In 2003 I could suddenly 'rape' my wife.

None of it was done with my consent, or even the chance for me to opt out of the marriage.
In 2009 she divorced me taking everything she could and claiming I had been raping her for 20 years. (The judge had to point out she could only claim rape for 6 years)
50% of women applying for divorce now claim rape, It gets the husband excluded from the family home, and 100% child custody immediately.

At no point in time was I given any choices.
The only choice a man has, is not to get married.
Did it matter that I married the mythical 19 year old Christian Virgin from a good Christian family? not one bit!
Don't do it guys, marriage in the western world is a lose lose contract for men.
At least you millennials have been given the information, if you still decide to get married, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

In the immortal words of WOPR, "The only way to win this game is not to play"

I knew when they passed those marriage rape laws it was a divorce attorney's dream come true. We as men are caught between a rock and a hard place. If we get married we could lose everything, if we stay single we will never have anything.

 

[jgiordano]

I was married and then divorce raped. I told myself never again. I am now a 55 year-old sugar daddy living alone and having weekly sex with a 21-yr old college hottie. Life is good!

 

[Lionheart]

I was married and then divorce raped. I told myself never again. I am now a 55 year-old sugar daddy living alone and having weekly sex with a 21-yr old college hottie. Life is good!

It is a tragedy what has come of American marriages in the last 30 or 40 years. A man getting married is gambling with his future with at least a 70% chance of failure.