Are Pickup artists merely "Simps" in Denial?

[Mr Freedom]

(I think members who were around during the old version of this forum may agree with some of these points)

Across the Red Pill manosphere there seems to be this "understanding" among some (who I will not name on this forum) that becoming a pickup artist or engaging in daygame in some city in the Western World, Eastern Europe or SE Asia etc.. is the key that will solve a young gentleman's problems in the 21st century and turn him into a real fully bonafide alpha male.

However is this even true? First of all you must look at what a PUA/Daygamer does and how he behaves to assess how "Alpha" these guys really are:

Most guys who are into pickup/daygame wake up in the morning using facial products to enhance their looks and wear carefully crafted clothes and are rather in tune with fashion. This type of behavior actually mirrors the way homosexuals behave (this has been covered before by Roosh and others on this forum So I am going to focus on the "Simp" part). They only do this to increase there attraction to modern women. Is this a way a true alpha male behaves or acts? I think not. A true alpha male would not worry much about his appearance in relation to how women may view him. Verdict: Simp Behavior

They go out 3-4 times a week (maybe even more) cruising the streets looking to attract or speak to different women. To simply put it a complete waste of precious time that could be spent bettering one's self or helping one's own family and community instead of chasing skirt in a city centre somewhere. Verdict: Simp Behaviour

They spend alot of time taking rubbish from multiple women that they meet every daygame session. Most Shit-tests are essentially involve a woman insulting the PUA/Daygamer and them laughing it off or coming up with a neg of their own to counter it. Whilst this tactic may work in pursuing the end goal of a one night stand or getting a friend with benefits is it worth the mental and psychological hassle of free abuse from a person you barely know? Would you accept this behaviour from another person be it a male or an unattractive women you encounter? Most likely not. Verdict: Simp Behavior

They are only after sex for pleasure. The PUA/Daygame lifestyle consists of a man trying to get happiness from sex for pleasure. He essentially degrades himself to a sex toy for a woman he may have found from a daygame session and vice-versa for the women who becomes his fleshlight. This is a type of mutual masturbation that is essentially the antithesis of how a real man should behave.

A Pickup artist may not think he is a "Simp" because he pumps and dumps woman. However the process in which he gets to that goal involves him behaving like a Simp. Ultimately putting maximum effort in order to attract women for a short thrill. Hey may not try to please them directly or openly like most "Simps" do but like them his life is utterly devoted to the multiple women he pursues each week. It's ultimately a road that leads to nowhere and a waste of a mans physical and mental energy which should be reserved for building and protecting his own family.

We all exist on this forum because our ancestors never engaged in sex for pleasure. They were committed to sex for procreation. To create life and carry there bloodline into future generations. It is the duty of men (and I mean real men) to carry on the task of spreading their seed so that their bloodline can continue long past the day you become food for maggots.

 

[stugatz]

I would say that dedicating your whole existence to women is simp-leaning, but it isn’t quite the same thing as being in a subordinate position begging for approval.

You raise a lot of interesting questions, though.

 

[Ember]

Who cares if PUA's are simping? Surely not the Christians here? PUA should be a dead topic here.

 

[InquiringMind]

(I think members who were around during the old version of this forum may agree with some of these points)

Across the Red Pill manosphere there seems to be this "understanding" among some (who I will not name on this forum) that becoming a pickup artist or engaging in daygame in some city in the Western World, Eastern Europe or SE Asia etc.. is the key that will solve a young gentleman's problems in the 21st century and turn him into a real fully bonafide alpha male.

However is this even true? First of all you must look at what a PUA/Daygamer does and how he behaves to assess how "Alpha" these guys really are:

Most guys who are into pickup/daygame wake up in the morning using facial products to enhance their looks and wear carefully crafted clothes and are rather in tune with fashion. This type of behavior actually mirrors the way homosexuals behave (this has been covered before by Roosh and others on this forum So I am going to focus on the "Simp" part). They only do this to increase there attraction to modern women. Is this a way a true alpha male behaves or acts? I think not. A true alpha male would not worry much about his appearance in relation to how women may view him. Verdict: Simp Behavior

They go out 3-4 times a week (maybe even more) cruising the streets looking to attract or speak to different women. To simply put it a complete waste of precious time that could be spent bettering one's self or helping one's own family and community instead of chasing skirt in a city centre somewhere. Verdict: Simp Behaviour

They spend alot of time taking rubbish from multiple women that they meet every daygame session. Most Shit-tests are essentially involve a woman insulting the PUA/Daygamer and them laughing it off or coming up with a neg of their own to counter it. Whilst this tactic may work in pursuing the end goal of a one night stand or getting a friend with benefits is it worth the mental and psychological hassle of free abuse from a person you barely know? Would you accept this behaviour from another person be it a male or an unattractive women you encounter? Most likely not. Verdict: Simp Behavior

They are only after sex for pleasure. The PUA/Daygame lifestyle consists of a man trying to get happiness from sex for pleasure. He essentially degrades himself to a sex toy for a woman he may have found from a daygame session and vice-versa for the women who becomes his fleshlight. This is a type of mutual masturbation that is essentially the antithesis of how a real man should behave.

A Pickup artist may not think he is a "Simp" because he pumps and dumps woman. However the process in which he gets to that goal involves him behaving like a Simp. Ultimately putting maximum effort in order to attract women for a short thrill. Hey may not try to please them directly or openly like most "Simps" do but like them his life is utterly devoted to the multiple women he pursues each week. It's ultimately a road that leads to nowhere and a waste of a mans physical and mental energy which should be reserved for building and protecting his own family.

We all exist on this forum because our ancestors never engaged in sex for pleasure. They were committed to sex for procreation. To create life and carry there bloodline into future generations. It is the duty of men (and I mean real men) to carry on the task of spreading their seed so that their bloodline can continue long past the day you become food for maggots.

I believe PUA is a topic that youa re no longer allowed to discuss here. And rightly so. This is a Christian-leaning forum now.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Yes it ends in disaster as many of us know.

 

[Slim Whitman]

In my view there's an important distinction between Game and PUA. Game is shorthand for knowing how to handle women in a way that produces a favorable outcome for both parties. PUA is the act of pandering to women's preferences in order to procure casual sex. Game has an important place in society, for establishing and maintaining patriarchy, and keeping peace in the home. PUA on the other hand is largely simp behavior like you describe, but I do think it has it's place as sort of training wheels to help young men build more confidence with women, so as to avoid becoming full-on simps. In the age of feminism and gynocracy it's never been more important for young men to realize that they are the prize, they are the ones in charge, and they are the leaders. There are vanishingly few ways to establish this confidence in the modern world, short of taking back some of the male power which has been stripped away.

 

[loremipsum]

Yes and PUA is borderline autistic and homosexual. Very jewish too, acting like a bitchy female.
It's the male equivalence of female solipsism. Pumping and dumping yet blaming women for being so easy.
Not to mention how both porn and PUA alters the mind of the practicioner very badly.
I think we all know people who were into PUA and have problems commiting to a single woman.

That's not to say it didn't give some positive benefits, like self esteem and social skills ("game"). However those could have been attained without staining the soul. I am not happy for damaging both women and myself in the years of making.

 

[Blade Runner]

The biggest issue with most men in the west is having a good to great materially existence (and working hard to get this or towards it) yet not having many options for what men consider suitable, whether right or wrong. It leaves one in a conundrum, especially on this forum, of polarization, since the pool of women is so unappetizing: conflict about having sex or just becoming a monk.

It's hard for people who are successful and workout/have testosterone to not be manipulated by nature/the world/spiritual forces, let's just be frank. As I've said in many places here before, the only solution beyond joining a monastery (let's face it, most of us won't cut it until maybe 70 years old lol) is to be in a location where women have surroundings that require them to make sane decisions with their lives.

 

[STG]

Absolutely.

You have men serving the gynocentric system whether they realize it or not.

All the attention from women and the fornication, you play the game the gynocentric system sets for you, you seek the approval of women making them the leaders of society, and you try to justify it by having empty sexual relations that bear no children.

Are the original famous PUAs Mystery and Style not divorced and failed in relationships?

The time that has been wasted by having to rationalize everything and figure it all out for ourselves when all we had to do was obey the Bible.

Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.”

 

[RonaldB]

PUA is one of the most shallow and superficial activities you can do. I remember when I was trying to get over "Approach Anxiety" by approaching women, I've never felt so inauthentic and fake as when trying to approach strangers in a mall or park. The women I dated were always compatible with me and I had zero problems talking to them when I first met them.

INTERESTING ANECDOTE:

One time, I went to San Francisco to do approaches. I was at a place called METREON when suddenly I saw this guy who looked familiar to me. He was Lance Mason owner of a company called PickUp101. In Neal Strauss's "The Game" he is referred as Sensei. I knew Lance because I attended one of his seminars. He was playing with the Wii consoles that were in the mall. I looked at him from afar expecting that if a beautiful woman would appear, he would just stop playing an approach the woman. However, none of that happened. His girlfriend at the time (I don't know if they're still together) came over and they just left. They both looked very happy, and at that moment, I wished I could be in a relationship like that, but as I was young I kept trying to do the PUA shit, and eventually got a girlfriend who I ended up leaving because I wanted more women.

In the end, PUA is another kind of poison, similar but no equal to porn, and I'm glad that some (but not all) PUAS have found God after years of pursuing empty goals.

 

[SunDance57]

Funny how PUA can lead to God. Maybe all paths lead that way. I think PUA discussion is ok here. It lead me to Roosh long ago. I even purchased his books.

PUA, it is an empty path, but looks so fantastic from the outside. At least, it looked good to me.

I am glad I learned Game and upped my SMV. But glad I didn't walk the PUA path and instead married and had kids.

 

[stugatz]

Funny how PUA can lead to God. Maybe all paths lead that way. I think PUA discussion is ok here. It lead me to Roosh long ago. I even purchased his books.

PUA, it is an empty path, but looks so fantastic from the outside. At least, it looked good to me.

I am glad I learned Game and upped my SMV. But glad I didn't walk the PUA path and instead married and had kids.

I think that if we discuss PUA intending to criticize it, it’s not such a bad thing, OP isn’t encouraging it. Although it’s not a constructive discussion, so I really don’t have much worth saying.

 

[Kish]

(I think members who were around during the old version of this forum may agree with some of these points)

I think what you are refering to here is about spam approaching women. This forum and the members that used to be here weren't about that. We weren't simps. Dating apps didn't always exist. It's sad many of you don't remember.

 

[Mr Freedom]

I think what you are refering to here is about spam approaching women. This forum and the members that used to be here weren't about that. We weren't simps. Dating apps didn't always exist. It's sad many of you don't remember.

Not quiet

I am talking about "Game" in the modern era. Or from 2015 onwards to be precise. In the olden days "John Wayne" game could work in which by simply being a charismatic alpha male you could get a decent looking woman.

Nowadays men are spending their whole lives maxing out their looks trying to look like an NBA point guard athletically in order to get a woman which is rather homosexual of them to do so if I may add.

It's just sad many in the manosphere think that "pickup/game" in this day and age is still okay when it cleary is not as to change the state of affairs of men we must revert to a more Christian morals based society instead of thinking that playing clown game with women will fix all of our problems. I don't mean to be harsh but this even goes for guys like Rollo and Rich Cooper too who don't seem to get that.

 

[Jay]

No.
Simp/nice guy/beta tendency is to never critique women, for fear of being rejected or excluded.
PUAs just abuse red pill awareness for hedonistic purposes.

 

[Barron]

No.
Simp/nice guy/beta tendency is to never critique women, for fear of being rejected or excluded.
PUAs just abuse red pill awareness for hedonistic purposes.

Maybe, but it still takes work. It still requires you to defeat your ego and take the rejections over and over and build a thicker skin and develop parts of yourself that you normally wouldn't. And I think this is healthy.

What isn't healthy is taking it to its extreme end of empty fornication.

 

[FrancisK]

If a man is molding his life around sleeping with as many women as possible there is something deeper which is wrong. That is a man who needs help finding a better path, a more meaningful life and overcoming whatever it is that led him to that existence, not ridicule.

I’m not some crusader and I’ll let he who is without sin cast the first stone, I have my own demons even if this was never one of them, but I would try to help any man who I cared about that was living that way. It doesn’t even have to be about Christ, it’s simply something which is not healthy for a man and a waste of life, it is indicative of a larger underlying issue.

 

[Low Voltage]

Yes and PUA is borderline autistic and homosexual. Very jewish too, acting like a bitchy female.
It's the male equivalence of female solipsism. Pumping and dumping yet blaming women for being so easy.
Not to mention how both porn and PUA alters the mind of the practicioner very badly.
I think we all know people who were into PUA and have problems commiting to a single woman.

That's not to say it didn't give some positive benefits, like self esteem and social skills ("game"). However those could have been attained without staining the soul. I am not happy for damaging both women and myself in the years of making.

"acting like a bitchy female."

 

[Low Voltage]

Yes and PUA is borderline autistic and homosexual. Very jewish too, acting like a bitchy female.
It's the male equivalence of female solipsism. Pumping and dumping yet blaming women for being so easy.
Not to mention how both porn and PUA alters the mind of the practicioner very badly.
I think we all know people who were into PUA and have problems commiting to a single woman.

That's not to say it didn't give some positive benefits, like self esteem and social skills ("game"). However those could have been attained without staining the soul. I am not happy for damaging both women and myself in the years of making.

"acting like a bitchy female."

 

[skyhigh1]

Yes. I think they are. Making women your sole purpose in life sounds like this. Participating in the formal 'dating' scene is simping since it requires you to act as the women likes.

Moderately taking care of your appearance and talking with various people if this is done for your benefit (to find a wife) to be more successful in your career and to improve your conversational skills/meet new people (not just women for sexual encounters) is not.