I'm also glad I read this. If I'm honest I very often don't do this, and this is a great reminder that we should always pray and thank God for the meal on our plate.
Are raw salads actually good for you?
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I'm also glad I read this. If I'm honest I very often don't do this, and this is a great reminder that we should always pray and thank God for the meal on our plate.
I do this as well, it's a good practice. And the sky is the limit. The Noma guide to fermentation is not a bad start for those looking to learn.
Humans in Europe were taller in hunter-gatherers times than they were in any period of civilised times, up until fairly recently.
Hunter gatherers likely had hits to their health in the form of periods of food scarcity, sanitation and all manner of issue in childhood. Without those they would have been taller.
My guess is that the healthiest diet is one that resembles hunter-gatherers', which I believe would be high in animal products along with berries. This is for Europeans. The tallest people in the world live on the borders of Bosnia, Serbia and Crna Gora. I don't know what their historic diets were like. But anyone who has been there will know that their diet is heavy with meat. Restaurants often need to cook something not on the menu for vegetarians.
Meat wasn't such a common food in earlier agricultural times. A normal chicken looks like this:
These are vax 'n drugged:
And the former may cost you about $40+, while the latter probably cost less than $10 pre-Sleepy Joe. Earlier diets in Europe contained much less meat, particularly for poorer people.
Cooking makes food safer, but has a nutritional hit. Eating a raw salad in Africa can come with a death penalty. I can't imagine it was common in many places.
As noted in the thread, all bodies are different and react differently to different diets. But what seems to be universally beneficial is supplementation, as any diet will be deficient in hitting recommended daily allowances.
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I used had flu about ten to twelve years straight, and also had quite a few sports injuries until I started taking heavy vitamins+.
I went for five years without any illness or injury. I stopped taking vitamins due to running out in Hong Kong. I became ill a few days later and didn't recover for about six months [this also came with some heavy vertigo]. Some sort of Chinese virus. And not long after I got a sports injury that took over two years to heal.
Vitamins plus give your body what it needs to repel and repair. I know three old people whose arthiritus was batted for six after taking vitamins. I just bought some for someone who seems to suffer from some sort of heat illness. Now they are much better.
Three options I know of:
Beyond Tangy Tangerine:
Animal Pak:
Monster Pak:
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Addendum to that. I got COVID about 6-7 weeks after stopping with these vitamins, as I could not find any and just bought normal ones.
These products contain a blend of what you might find in several products - vitamins, minerals, protein precursors, micronutrients, probiotics, anti-cancer, joint health and enzymes.
The theory is that if your body is not getting the nutrients it needs, then you open yourself up to illness on multiple vectors.
I also eat about 5Kg of protein power per month, which I think helps in the same manner. But I don't eat meat.
Hunter gatherers likely had hits to their health in the form of periods of food scarcity, sanitation and all manner of issue in childhood. Without those they would have been taller.
My guess is that the healthiest diet is one that resembles hunter-gatherers', which I believe would be high in animal products along with berries. This is for Europeans. The tallest people in the world live on the borders of Bosnia, Serbia and Crna Gora. I don't know what their historic diets were like. But anyone who has been there will know that their diet is heavy with meat. Restaurants often need to cook something not on the menu for vegetarians.
Meat wasn't such a common food in earlier agricultural times. A normal chicken looks like this:
These are vax 'n drugged:
And the former may cost you about $40+, while the latter probably cost less than $10 pre-Sleepy Joe. Earlier diets in Europe contained much less meat, particularly for poorer people.
Cooking makes food safer, but has a nutritional hit. Eating a raw salad in Africa can come with a death penalty. I can't imagine it was common in many places.
As noted in the thread, all bodies are different and react differently to different diets. But what seems to be universally beneficial is supplementation, as any diet will be deficient in hitting recommended daily allowances.
Reposting (5th time):
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I used had flu about ten to twelve years straight, and also had quite a few sports injuries until I started taking heavy vitamins+.
I went for five years without any illness or injury. I stopped taking vitamins due to running out in Hong Kong. I became ill a few days later and didn't recover for about six months [this also came with some heavy vertigo]. Some sort of Chinese virus. And not long after I got a sports injury that took over two years to heal.
Vitamins plus give your body what it needs to repel and repair. I know three old people whose arthiritus was batted for six after taking vitamins. I just bought some for someone who seems to suffer from some sort of heat illness. Now they are much better.
Three options I know of:
Beyond Tangy Tangerine:
Animal Pak:
Monster Pak:
*********************************************
Addendum to that. I got COVID about 6-7 weeks after stopping with these vitamins, as I could not find any and just bought normal ones.
These products contain a blend of what you might find in several products - vitamins, minerals, protein precursors, micronutrients, probiotics, anti-cancer, joint health and enzymes.
The theory is that if your body is not getting the nutrients it needs, then you open yourself up to illness on multiple vectors.
I also eat about 5Kg of protein power per month, which I think helps in the same manner. But I don't eat meat.
I really enjoy salads however many kinds of raw veggies such as cucumbers and peppers give me bloating and burping but are fine when cooked. I take this as a sign I wasn't really meant to eat them raw even though they are delicious (I do it anyway, in moderation). Cooked is good too but we should be careful to not overdo it so that the nutrients are lost. Like with so many things in life moderation is the key to success.
And Roosh if you are finding yourself nutrient deficient it may or may not be the food that is lacking. If you are having GI issues you might not be absorbing the nutrients effectively and so it may take a much larger dose to get what you need. This also happens gradually as we get older. I'm sure you have thought of this already though.
And Roosh if you are finding yourself nutrient deficient it may or may not be the food that is lacking. If you are having GI issues you might not be absorbing the nutrients effectively and so it may take a much larger dose to get what you need. This also happens gradually as we get older. I'm sure you have thought of this already though.
Yeah, I also like to blow off since I use to use onions, garlic and pepper a lot.
Raw salad definitely not good for you IMO. Probably another case of needing to do the opposite of what's recommended.
The reason we cook/ferment vegetables is to make the nutritional value more bioavailable and reduce the amount of plant toxins and antinutrients. e.g Oxalates and Lectins. Part of the reason people see success on carnivore is because they completely remove all this stuff.
Went through a period of having big salads every day and always seriously bloated. But instead of listening to my body I ignored the negative reaction I was having because I 'knew' salads were good for me as we're always told in the media etc. lol
Probably can't go too far wrong following the old cookbooks linked in the OP.
The reason we cook/ferment vegetables is to make the nutritional value more bioavailable and reduce the amount of plant toxins and antinutrients. e.g Oxalates and Lectins. Part of the reason people see success on carnivore is because they completely remove all this stuff.
Went through a period of having big salads every day and always seriously bloated. But instead of listening to my body I ignored the negative reaction I was having because I 'knew' salads were good for me as we're always told in the media etc. lol
Probably can't go too far wrong following the old cookbooks linked in the OP.
Going back in time again, what did people do for water? I suspect most drank from wells or streams. I've been drinking a lot of European mineral water such as Pellegrino and Perrier ( a luxury as it isn't cheap). On my last doctor's visit the dolt mentioned my mineral levels as being quite good but he left it at that. He has no curiosity whatsoever.
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Crow
Even getting these fermented vegetables into your diet once a week is helpful to your gut biome.
I was aware that saurkraut and kimchi were fermented, but I didn't know that beets and carrots were - are all of them?
Sauerkraut and Kimchi are types of fermented cabbage. You can lacto-ferment many vegetables.
The question we need to be asking ourselves is if those specific gut bacteria are a positive or negative thing rather than assuming they are beneficial by default. I think research on the gut biome is in its infancy and we actually do not really know half as much as we think we do. Your biome changes based on your diet, so whats to say that a meat heavy diet with minimal fibre is not better? The problem we are seeing is that people are trying to use the gut biome as a justification to support different diets all the time. I think in some cases its genuinely altruistic, but in others its often people trying to justify the diet they prefer or are advocates of by cherry picking what suits their argument. Its bizarre how ideological nutrition has become. 90% of it is quackery and people with half cocked ideas who attach their identities to it all, which just clouds things further
I remember when fruit and vegetables were seasonal. Before we had these globalized supply chains and refrigerated warehouses all over the place there were seasons where certain foods were available. Thats been one of the biggest reasons why the whole vegan movement has given me pause. At no time in our history other than today would it have been possible to get all your nutrition from plants, many of which would be exotic if not for refrigerated shipping.
At the same time I think that the carnivore diet crowd have gone to the other extreme. If you actually do your bloodwork you will see the impact ketogenic diets tend to have on your cortisol levels over time, which affect things like sleep and your other hormones. Im not saying a ketogenic/low carb diet is not beneficial at times but as a permanent lifestyle choice Im not sold that this is correct either. Everyone seems to forget that it was hunting AND gathering, and very often tubers and root vegetables formed a significant part of the diet too. As like almost anything else in life, balance beats excess.
On the issue of bread and wheat, the arguments against it have some merit. However if you have been to Europe you would realize quite quickly that the stuff we are getting in Aldi and supermarkets in western countries is not really bread at all. Its all highly processed, mass produced garbage that used ingredients sourced from industrialized, genetically modified crops where yields are more important than anything else. So is it wheat that is really the issue, or is it more a case of what we have done to the wheat?
Its the same with dairy. For all we know the excessive pasteurization and highly selective breeding, not to mention the way we feed cattle might have resulted in a significant change to how our bodies respond to it, which is why so many people are having issues with lactose these days.
I've noticed raw salads the way we eat them in the U.S. are rare in very traditional places. In Greece, the old people like to eat a boiled greens (usually dandelion, chard, spinach, etc) dish called "Horta," which is topped with olive oil, lemon juice, and salt. They eat most of their vegetables in stews or this way. The only salad they eat contains tomato and cucumber, maybe some red onion. Those vegetables for some reason are enjoyed raw, while lettuce, kale, cabbage and the like, are typically not.
Given that raw vegetables contain a ton of insoluble fiber, they might be good for specific purposes in clearing the digestive tract. However, the downside is that absorption of their nutrients is probably low, and if that fiber sits for too long in the gut, it might contribute to any ongoing gut issues you have with bacteria. Another issue we have to contend with is pesticides. I have also read that some veggies, especially cabbage and broccoli, can be goitrogenic and disrupt thyroid function. For these reasons I tend to keep uncooked vegetables to a minimum, and I pretty much avoid eating leafy greens raw. I still eat vegetables cooked or in stews.
I eat 6-8 eggs a day. I love them and they're the best thing you can eat, raw or boiled in its own shell. They have everything you need.
I do love raw lettuce but then it's usually very little with lots of boiled egg and tuna, tomato and spring onions (and homemade mayonnaise using olive oil and raw yokes, yum!).
Eating raw salads can't be good as we don't have the digestive system of a cow as stated by others before. Cooking vegies in butter or ghee is legit and delicious and very good for you.
Going all vegan or carnivore isn't the way to go as a balanced diet is the healthiest thing for you. God made us able to eat most things for a reason, there are benefits to all but I'd think carnivore would be good for you while vegan is not.
I do love raw lettuce but then it's usually very little with lots of boiled egg and tuna, tomato and spring onions (and homemade mayonnaise using olive oil and raw yokes, yum!).
Eating raw salads can't be good as we don't have the digestive system of a cow as stated by others before. Cooking vegies in butter or ghee is legit and delicious and very good for you.
Going all vegan or carnivore isn't the way to go as a balanced diet is the healthiest thing for you. God made us able to eat most things for a reason, there are benefits to all but I'd think carnivore would be good for you while vegan is not.
They actually didn’t even have tomatoes in Ancient Greece, they’re a relatively modern import from the Americas.
Conversely, you can check old cargo ship manifests to the American colonies (c. 1600s) and see that salad oils were a hot commodity. Or read the writings of the Ancient Greek Hippocrates to see the raw vegetable medleys he prescribed. And of course there are the vegetables upon which the Holy Prophet Daniel and his comrades subsisted.
Of course, we know that God provided Adam and Eve with every seed-bearing plant for sustenance, in addition to fruit trees.
I’m not against eating meat — I love it. But those saying that’s what we were created to eat in opposition to vegetables are all wet. We were created to eat fruits and vegetables as Genesis 1 says. Whether or not you want to cook them is another matter.
Btw, I’m really into Victorian-era cooking, and salads dressed in oil were a regular course at that time. You can check out old cookbooks from the period.
Conversely, you can check old cargo ship manifests to the American colonies (c. 1600s) and see that salad oils were a hot commodity. Or read the writings of the Ancient Greek Hippocrates to see the raw vegetable medleys he prescribed. And of course there are the vegetables upon which the Holy Prophet Daniel and his comrades subsisted.
Of course, we know that God provided Adam and Eve with every seed-bearing plant for sustenance, in addition to fruit trees.
I’m not against eating meat — I love it. But those saying that’s what we were created to eat in opposition to vegetables are all wet. We were created to eat fruits and vegetables as Genesis 1 says. Whether or not you want to cook them is another matter.
Btw, I’m really into Victorian-era cooking, and salads dressed in oil were a regular course at that time. You can check out old cookbooks from the period.
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I was always taught by my parents that salads were important for roughage and fiber, not nutritional content.
So I would think having some a few times a month is sufficient. I do believe in the benefits of dietary fiber from an occasional salad.
It is curious that many other cultures do not serve salad, at least not the American style. I hadn't thought about that, but I typically cannot or do not get salads when abroad.
I'm a big fan of the "blue zones" principle, the 5 or so areas around the world where people naturally live into their 90s and have few health problems. None of them were salad-centric eaters.
As for the digestibility or nutritional content of a raw salad, there are foods that have a much higher nutritional value *cooked* than not.
www.eatthis.com
I read a book several years back called On Food and Cooking about the science behind cooking which discusses things like the Maillard Process, which causes certain foods to visually brown and become more savory and nutritionally altered as they are heated.
So I'm not surprised that raw salads are not particularly good for you, outside of their fiber and roughage.
I do know the latter is important for blood sugar and gut health. Dr. Chris Kesser talks a lot about gut health and I'd be curious his take. I used to listen to his podcast but it just became too much. Hours of discussion every month about micronutrients and gut flora haha.
So I would think having some a few times a month is sufficient. I do believe in the benefits of dietary fiber from an occasional salad.
It is curious that many other cultures do not serve salad, at least not the American style. I hadn't thought about that, but I typically cannot or do not get salads when abroad.
I'm a big fan of the "blue zones" principle, the 5 or so areas around the world where people naturally live into their 90s and have few health problems. None of them were salad-centric eaters.
As for the digestibility or nutritional content of a raw salad, there are foods that have a much higher nutritional value *cooked* than not.
12 Vegetables That Are Healthier Cooked — Eat This Not That
Some speculate that raw vegetables are more nutritious, but that's not true for all! Here are some vegetables that are healthier cooked.
www.eatthis.com
I read a book several years back called On Food and Cooking about the science behind cooking which discusses things like the Maillard Process, which causes certain foods to visually brown and become more savory and nutritionally altered as they are heated.
So I'm not surprised that raw salads are not particularly good for you, outside of their fiber and roughage.
I do know the latter is important for blood sugar and gut health. Dr. Chris Kesser talks a lot about gut health and I'd be curious his take. I used to listen to his podcast but it just became too much. Hours of discussion every month about micronutrients and gut flora haha.
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Crow
Those are fair questions but the people who practice in this area every day say that high fiber diet is good for the beneficial bacteria. There has been a remarkable amount of research in this area in the last 2 decades and they now know that the bad bacteria can secrete neurotransmitters that cause you to crave junk food and sugar, etc.
While crude, the current recommendation is to feed the good bacteria in order to choke out the bad bacteria, sort of like fertilizing your lawn to crowd out the weeds and crabgrass.
There are other therapies including biome replacement but they are a lot more intense - you are likely to have diahrhea for 3 weeks straight but its an experimental therapy for certain conditions like Parkinsons - there is science behind this.
Liver! I remember I ate this stuff pretty frequently in Mother Russia when I was a kid/teenager and enjoyed it.
Thanks for the reminder Roosh. I need to catch up.
Beef liver also costs like 1/3 of your normal ribeye, so you can buy a ton of it from grass-fed cows. I just can't afford grass-fed ribeye on the daily basis (on one salary with wife and kids).
Start eating meat and your health problems will likely vanishHumans in Europe were taller in hunter-gatherers times than they were in any period of civilised times, up until fairly recently.
Hunter gatherers likely had hits to their health in the form of periods of food scarcity, sanitation and all manner of issue in childhood. Without those they would have been taller.
My guess is that the healthiest diet is one that resembles hunter-gatherers', which I believe would be high in animal products along with berries. This is for Europeans. The tallest people in the world live on the borders of Bosnia, Serbia and Crna Gora. I don't know what their historic diets were like. But anyone who has been there will know that their diet is heavy with meat. Restaurants often need to cook something not on the menu for vegetarians.
Meat wasn't such a common food in earlier agricultural times. A normal chicken looks like this:
These are vax 'n drugged:
And the former may cost you about $40+, while the latter probably cost less than $10 pre-Sleepy Joe. Earlier diets in Europe contained much less meat, particularly for poorer people.
Cooking makes food safer, but has a nutritional hit. Eating a raw salad in Africa can come with a death penalty. I can't imagine it was common in many places.
As noted in the thread, all bodies are different and react differently to different diets. But what seems to be universally beneficial is supplementation, as any diet will be deficient in hitting recommended daily allowances.
Reposting (5th time):
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I used had flu about ten to twelve years straight, and also had quite a few sports injuries until I started taking heavy vitamins+.
I went for five years without any illness or injury. I stopped taking vitamins due to running out in Hong Kong. I became ill a few days later and didn't recover for about six months [this also came with some heavy vertigo]. Some sort of Chinese virus. And not long after I got a sports injury that took over two years to heal.
Vitamins plus give your body what it needs to repel and repair. I know three old people whose arthiritus was batted for six after taking vitamins. I just bought some for someone who seems to suffer from some sort of heat illness. Now they are much better.
Three options I know of:
Beyond Tangy Tangerine:
Animal Pak:
Monster Pak:
*********************************************
Addendum to that. I got COVID about 6-7 weeks after stopping with these vitamins, as I could not find any and just bought normal ones.
These products contain a blend of what you might find in several products - vitamins, minerals, protein precursors, micronutrients, probiotics, anti-cancer, joint health and enzymes.
The theory is that if your body is not getting the nutrients it needs, then you open yourself up to illness on multiple vectors.
I also eat about 5Kg of protein power per month, which I think helps in the same manner. But I don't eat meat.
This is obviously anecdotal, but I stopped eating vegetables 4 years ago. No more lettuce, brocoli, spinach, basically the only green foods I consume are chilis and avocados (which are both fruits). I noticed way less digestive issues since I stopped. My diet now is heavy on meats and fats, with occasional fruits like avocados as well as tumblers like potatoes.