Are raw salads actually good for you?

Hannibal

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member
Vegetables are, generally, trash.

Turn of the century Americans got 40% or more of their daily calories from animal products. Now we think that a double cheeseburger is an "unhealthy amount of meat".

Read the book Fiber Menace, you will learn why farmers bothered to peel literally every vegetable, even carrots.

Every digestive malady is caused by fiber. Frankly, the less of it you can afford to eat, the better.

Vegetables commonly provide one nutrient, only to leech another. Coffee for example is a very common cause of mineral deficiencies. Vegetable nutrients are not bioavailaible to humans, we dont have four stomachs and we dont chew cud.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
Vegetables are, generally, trash.

Turn of the century Americans got 40% or more of their daily calories from animal products. Now we think that a double cheeseburger is an "unhealthy amount of meat".

Read the book Fiber Menace, you will learn why farmers bothered to peel literally every vegetable, even carrots.

Every digestive malady is caused by fiber. Frankly, the less of it you can afford to eat, the better.

Vegetables commonly provide one nutrient, only to leech another. Coffee for example is a very common cause of mineral deficiencies. Vegetable nutrients are not bioavailaible to humans, we dont have four stomachs and we dont chew cud.
My digestive system is normally ruined after eating any high fiber meal. I'm told I need to get used to it, but even at the end of a 40 day Orthodox fast, small amount of beans and oatmeal still mess with me. Why would I want to "get used" to more fiber anyways if that food is less nutritious than foods low in fiber?
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
My digestive system is normally ruined after eating any high fiber meal. I'm told I need to get used to it, but even at the end of a 40 day Orthodox fast, small amount of beans and oatmeal still mess with me. Why would I want to "get used" to more fiber anyways if that food is less nutritious than foods low in fiber?
I do think genetics play a factor. If your ancestry is Northern European, you probably can't handle much fiber and bread. My ancestors are from the Middle East ("the bread basket") where even today they treat bread like a main dish. Oatmeal and bread actually stabilize my digestion. It's strange but I find life difficult without bread. I make my own bread and use organic oats so perhaps the nutritional damage is not as bad for me.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I do think genetics play a factor. If your ancestry is Northern European, you probably can't handle much fiber and bread. My ancestors are from the Middle East ("the bread basket") where even today they treat bread like a main dish. Oatmeal and bread actually stabilize my digestion. It's strange but I find life difficult without bread. I make my own bread and use organic oats so perhaps the nutritional damage is not as bad for me.
Mostly British/Irish roots here. Makes sense. Similar to lactose. I'll have to get back into making sourdough bread for Lent, or maybe even sooner than that, apparently that is easier to digest than other breads and non-yeasted breads.
 

Padouk

 
Banned
Non-Christian
I do think genetics play a factor. If your ancestry is Northern European, you probably can't handle much fiber and bread. My ancestors are from the Middle East ("the bread basket") where even today they treat bread like a main dish. Oatmeal and bread actually stabilize my digestion. It's strange but I find life difficult without bread. I make my own bread and use organic oats so perhaps the nutritional damage is not as bad for me.

The problem with bread and oats is glyphosate or similar herbicides.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
I eat raw spinach and beets, with a protein like fish, eggs, cottage cheese, pretty much everyday. Its perfect post workout for me.

Oatmeal with chia ginger and butter i find a perfect lunch to keep me ticking between high protein breakfast and evening meals.

When it comes to food, keeping things simple is key. Minimum ingredients, healthy food sources. Not much more to it than that.
 
Look at your dental layout. If you have large canines and are northern European, chances are you will be good with an animal-only diet, including fermented dairy and kefir and eggs. No definitive research in this, most pozzed search results are limp-wristed poorly-arranged articles trying to tell us that we are all soylentvores even if we have large canine teeth. I could eat a few pounds of meat a day and not need to touch anything else. Genetics and blood type play largely into your body's range of acceptable to perfect matching foods.
 

Mountaineer

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Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
There was a very good podcast with Jay, Fr. Ananias and some other guy about carnivore diet vs vegan which I recommend anyone listen if still having doubts.


Orthodox Christianity vs Veganism | Jay Dyer + Norwegian Nous + Primal Edge | Orthodoxy & Carnivore

 

Nomadiccat

 
Banned
Oriental Orthodox
I'm a great consumer of raw vegetables, salads, fermented vegetables (which I make myself, almost anything can be fermented, make kimchi, kraut, okra) - organic stuff only, the raw salads are great, this is he best and got vitamins, minerals, phyto-chemicals, antioxidants, good bacteria living on their surfaces, and life-force kind of stuff. People who eat the fresh stuff get cancer less.
In America many misunderstand that subject because they end up eating lifeless flavorless, chemical-laden and often pre-cut packaged "salads" which aren't fresh either.

The real meat-eating ethnicities that hardly ate vegetables are few kinds of Asians and that's rare ancestry.
And they usually didn't live long enough on those native diets to know if they'd get cancer after age 45. Their life expectancies only shot past 45 recently and their diets aren't what they used to be. Those diets are cancer-promoting.

For bread or pancakes....I do it like some primitive peoples out there - throw organic flour like teff, buckwheat or rye with water and let it sit for days (sometimes I add probiotic like yogurt in it), it ferments, bubbles, start smelling funky. It gets a bit of mold on top - this just gets thrown away, it doesn't affect anything - then ready for use and makes best breads/pancakes, I don't bother with proper sourdough, just lazy. Once teff flour was fermented in summer and smelled so bad I was really worried but it made the best pancakes I ever ate in my whole life.
 
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Nomadiccat

 
Banned
Oriental Orthodox
Vegetables are, generally, trash.

Turn of the century Americans got 40% or more of their daily calories from animal products. Now we think that a double cheeseburger is an "unhealthy amount of meat".

Read the book Fiber Menace, you will learn why farmers bothered to peel literally every vegetable, even carrots.

Every digestive malady is caused by fiber. Frankly, the less of it you can afford to eat, the better.

Vegetables commonly provide one nutrient, only to leech another. Coffee for example is a very common cause of mineral deficiencies. Vegetable nutrients are not bioavailaible to humans, we dont have four stomachs and we dont chew cud.

One doesn't have to be a cow to enjoy leafy vegetables... it's a well known thing that: "Chimps eat up to 200-300 species of plants", they chomp on leaves all day. Gut anatomy is very similar to a human not to a cow, yet they digest tons of leafy stuff and are exceptionally strong animals.
I'd never peel vegetables, what a waste (I mean organic ones), skin is where much of the good stuff is and it tastes great. Insane habit of peeling potatoes, people waste so much time on that. Lack of fiber is implicated in cancer.
 
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Cavalier

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Orthodox Catechumen
One doesn't have to be a cow to enjoy leafy vegetables... it's a well known thing that: "Chimps eat up to 200-300 species of plants", they chomp on leaves all day. Gut anatomy is very similar to a human not to a cow, yet they digest tons of leafy stuff and are exceptionally strong animals.
I'd never peel vegetables, what a waste (I mean organic ones), skin is where much of the good stuff is and it tastes great. Insane habit of peeling potatoes, people waste so much time on that. Lack of fiber is implicated in cancer.
Turn of the century American life expectancy was around mid-40s.
I agree with you about leafy greens and potatoes are best within the skin on. However I must point out that life expectancy in the past was low because of infant and child mortality. If you made it to adulthood you had a reasonable expectation to live as long as anyone does today.
 

Nomadiccat

 
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Oriental Orthodox
I agree with you about leafy greens and potatoes are best within the skin on. However I must point out that life expectancy in the past was low because of infant and child mortality. If you made it to adulthood you had a reasonable expectation to live as long as anyone does today.
Yes, I agree, but in part - adult mortality was also high, it was rather a combination of two things. We see a big increase in retirement age across all countries over recent decades, this is in part related to adult life expectancy increase.
By the way, Amish average life expectancy (including children) at the turn of the century already high and around 70, while American was in the 40s.

I started a fast today, being reminded by another thread on here and the only thing I crave are green leaves.
I'm muscular/lean, been that way all my life, and one thing I like about raw vegetables is you get to eat a lot and can eat all you want without gaining fat. You can chomp on food all day and keep the 6 pack, raw vegetables also give a feeling of having full stomach so you don't crave other stuff that makes you gain fat.
 
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Cavalier

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Orthodox Catechumen
Yes, I agree, but in part - adult mortality was also high, it was rather a combination of two things. We see a big increase in retirement age across all countries over recent decades, this is in part related to adult life expectancy increase.
By the way, Amish average life expectancy (including children) at the turn of the century already high and around 70, while American was in the 40s.

I started a fast today, being reminded by another thread on here and the only thing I crave are green leaves.
I'm muscular/lean, been that way all my life, and one thing I like about raw vegetables is you get to eat a lot and can eat all you want without gaining fat. You can chomp on food all day and keep the 6 pack, raw vegetables also give a feeling of having full stomach so you don't crave other stuff that makes you gain fat.
It is like this. 100 people 50 die by age 10, 50 live to 70 average life 40. Life expectancy has not changed in 2000 years if you live to adulthood. Saying that it has increased is another way for the PTB to make it seem that even though their demonic agenda marches on things are just so much better today. They raise the retirement age because they hope more people will die before they can collect.
I find fermented vegetables to be even better than raw.
 

DeWoken

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I'm muscular/lean, been that way all my life, and one thing I like about raw vegetables is you get to eat a lot and can eat all you want without gaining fat. You can chomp on food all day and keep the 6 pack, raw vegetables also give a feeling of having full stomach so you don't crave other stuff that makes you gain fat.
I guess I'm repeating earlier posts in the thread but I think that the excess fiber will eventually catch up with you (although, yes, everyone is slightly different). Some say that hunger can be a sign that your body isn't getting the nutrients it needs and isn't just a caloric thing (modern soil is deficient, farming practices are "industrial"). Shoving fiber and fluids down will somewhat dampen this hunger. I guess many other factors play into our appetite (exercise, stress, alcohol, habit, etc).

That said, the diet guy I follow says that after studying many indigenous diets he has come to the conclusion that an ideal diet consists of some raw, cooked, and fermented foods. He says that some fiber is helpful for gut bacteria and to help with gut motility, but the amount of fiber recommended by many is way too high. There are anti-nutrients in many vegetables, so that "feeling of fullness" isn't necessarily doing people any good.
 

Nomadiccat

 
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Oriental Orthodox
I guess I'm repeating earlier posts in the thread but I think that the excess fiber will eventually catch up with you (although, yes, everyone is slightly different). Some say that hunger can be a sign that your body isn't getting the nutrients it needs and isn't just a caloric thing (modern soil is deficient, farming practices are "industrial"). Shoving fiber and fluids down will somewhat dampen this hunger. I guess many other factors play into our appetite (exercise, stress, alcohol, habit, etc).

That said, the diet guy I follow says that after studying many indigenous diets he has come to the conclusion that an ideal diet consists of some raw, cooked, and fermented foods. He says that some fiber is helpful for gut bacteria and to help with gut motility, but the amount of fiber recommended by many is way too high. There are anti-nutrients in many vegetables, so that "feeling of fullness" isn't necessarily doing people any good.
No, it's not going to "catch up with me", LOL. What you say is not supported by science, it's the opposite.
But believe whatever you believe in, just remember poor diet might catch up with you, son.
In the meanwhile I'm going to eat tons of vegetables, raw when possible: it's good for you and advice anyone do the same.
It's science, documented in studies...not some BS from twitter diet guy.

Lack of fiber and vegetables will catch up with you if don't eat enough of it, most likely: lack of fiber and vegetables is a major contributor to cancer and other diseases. And, by the way, people are adapted and fit to eat a lot more fiber then what most eat in societies that are ridden by autoimmune disease and cancer.

I don't follow any some "diet guy", I follow the science on the subject and I study that stuff for many years.
Probably since before some on here had learned to read. :hmm:
Including sports nutrition, specifically.
I also follow my sense of comfort and health from what I eat and I experimented with more diets in my life than descried in this forum.
I'm old enough for a lot of things to catch up with me, look a lot younger than my age, leaner and more athletic that most people of my age, didn't have sniffles in 15 years, etc. What most of what Americans consider "normal" is grossly obese and happens because of poor diet that lacks vegetables.
Low in vegetable and fruit diets and low fiber diets are cancer-promoting diets, also.
High protein diets, too, are harmful and promote cancer and kidney problems (and prematurely aged appearance)

Oh and it's a myth that people's life expectancy only increased because of lower childhood mortality.
Just ask life insurance companies, they know.
Life expectancy at/after 20 y.o. is a well known metrics, and was ridiculously low in 1900. There's just one chart here, plenty more out there.
 
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Nomadiccat

 
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Oriental Orthodox
I would like to see evidence for that, science guy.
I can't believe someone is asking to search for, collect and post all the ample research easily available online via simple searches, including publications that summarize existing body of research (just make sure you stick to actual studies and not diet websites).
 

newcomer

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I can't believe someone is asking to search for, collect and post all the ample research easily available online via simple searches, including publications that summarize existing body of research (just make sure you stick to actual studies and not diet websites).
Which websites do you recommend?
 
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