Artificial Intelligence (AI) thread

[Mojambo]

Funny thing is after writing my previous post, I went back to the beginning of this thread for the first time and it was well understood that "AI" was overhyped and more marketing than substance. Great analysis of the hype from Elipe, redbeard, and everyone for seeing through the marketing and calling "AI" what it really is.

Fast forward two years and roughly five pages into the thread, after years of endless propaganda, marketing and use of the "AI" buzzword, the lines that define "AI" are so blurred. Everything is "AI" and everybody is focused on this nebulous concept. A self-serve checkout stand? AI. Ray tracers? AI. Search engines? AI. Sound modulation? AI. Image filters? AI.

I'd say it has now reached levels of ambiguity similar to that of climate change. Cold weather? Climate change. Hot weather? Climate change. Hurricane? Climate change. Earthquake? Climate change. Forest fire? Climate change.

"AI" to me is just a pure buzzword that everyone is thinking about at the moment. And I think the propagandists know this very well and are using it to full advantage.

 

[Iacobus]

I'm with Neighbor on this one.

I specialized in machine learning my final year of university almost two decades ago. I remain working in approximately the same field up until now, perhaps reimplementing the neural network wheel and applying it to a new project every three or four years.

I have not seen any "breakthroughs" in the past two years during this AI hype. Elipe said it well, we have "pattern recognizers". I haven't seen anything I would consider real intelligence, capable of creativity and solving problems from first principles. We've had natural language processors for a while (e.g. Google assistant, Alexa). We've had search engines do data mining well for a while. We've had the two concepts combined for a while much longer than ChatGPT has been in the news (e.g. IBM's Watson).

What's different this time around? Aside from larger amounts of data to draw patterns from and faster feedback loops due to higher usage: marketing and propaganda.

A lot of it.

And when all the mainstream outlets have jumped on the bandwagon and are shouting "AI" from the rooftops, I sense psy-op red flags. And I ultimately think what Neighbor mentioned is its objective — get people to submit to "AI".

Really what people are doing is being misled by yet another invisible force (like climate change or viral pandemics). They are being conditioned to accept suffering while the narrative controllers get to enjoy higher levels of wealth, power and control.

And like the classic, effective psy-op that it is, people will blame the invisible, non-existent thing for their suffering rather than the central planners. "AI", alongside these other highly-marketed one or two-word "brand name" decoys, are designed to be scapegoats.

And in my opinion, this new AI decoy is working, as evidenced by this thread. Many of those that saw through the scamdemic, I see them attributing the current and upcoming economic destruction of main street, to "AI" instead.

I understand that a lot of this discussion is semantic, but to me, "intelligence" can be fairly accurately defined as pattern recognition applied in order to achieve objectives or solve problems, I think your description of the tech as 'pattern recognizers' actually supports the idea of artificial intelligence. Of course the objectives, parameters, data sets, etc are assigned by humans. But what distinguishes humans from AI is not our human "intelligence", it's our other faculties, our human heart, nous and spirit.

 

[Prores]

If you're not Orthodox and you don't understand the tech, you're going to get this wrong. There is a spiritual component to this as well as a technological component.

 

[Northumber]

Really what people are doing is being misled by yet another invisible force (like climate change or viral pandemics). They are being conditioned to accept suffering while the narrative controllers get to enjoy higher levels of wealth, power and control.

And like the classic, effective psy-op that it is, people will blame the invisible, non-existent thing for their suffering rather than the central planners. "AI", alongside these other highly-marketed one or two-word "brand name" decoys, are designed to be scapegoats.

Is the invisible force non-existent? Even the "over-hype" itself has an effect on people. How much are the central planners doing the controlling versus how much are they being pulled along by the hype?

 

[Mojambo]

I understand that a lot of this discussion is semantic, but to me, "intelligence" can be fairly accurately defined as pattern recognition applied in order to achieve objectives or solve problems, I think your description of the tech as 'pattern recognizers' actually supports the idea of artificial intelligence. Of course the objectives, parameters, data sets, etc are assigned by humans. But what distinguishes humans from AI is not our human "intelligence", it's our other faculties, our human heart, nous and spirit.

I agree particularly with the last sentence.

This is semantics and word play. If intelligence is anything done consciously, then something as simple as a mechnical bird bobbing up and down, pressing a button can be considered artificial intelligence. Artificial is in the name — it is mimicking human behaviour but will never be human.

I'm just trying to emphasize that this word play given the very broad, undefined scope of "AI" is being used nowadays by linguistic manipulators as a diversion, attracting attention away from the foul play of Satanists.

 

[Mojambo]

Is the invisible force non-existent? Even the "over-hype" itself has an effect on people. How much are the central planners doing the controlling versus how much are they being pulled along by the hype?

I was hoping the allegory with "climate change" would help clarify what I was trying to say. It was probably bad word choice to say "invisible force", but rather a nebulous, not very well defined concept that allows the central planners to use word play and psychological tactics to advance their cause. I tried to clear that up in post #241.

 

[Northumber]

I was hoping the allegory with "climate change" would help clarify what I was trying to say. It was probably bad word choice to say "invisible force", but rather a nebulous, not very well defined concept that allows the central planners to use word play and psychological tactics to advance their cause. I tried to clear that up in post #241.

Understood. I see now you were stressing the interplay between specific vs. nebulous and how central planners play with things like semantics to confuse and implement their various techniques of control. I don't disagree there. We've seen how well our language has been weaponized against us and I don't doubt AI is an exception here.

I latched onto the word invisible force to frame how AI is connected to the spiritual realm. It is actually similar with "climate change" and "viral pandemics". In this case, the things you could describe as groupthink are actually not just that but they are a mindset that is driven by something spiritual. It's real; it's not really non-existent at all. And AI is slightly different than the other "groupthink/spirits" because it has this intrinsic patternmaking quality that can supercharge any one of these already distorted mindsets. It also has this quality that people are giving up their own agency (themselves) to it very directly.

 

[MajorStyles]

And when all the mainstream outlets have jumped on the bandwagon and are shouting "AI" from the rooftops, I sense psy-op red flags. And I ultimately think what Neighbor mentioned is its objective — get people to submit to "AI".

THIS. The shysters spent the next two years turning the common flu into a bubonic plague, murdered millions of people with an experimental vaccine....all the while talking about 27 genders). And now, it's AI to the moon!!!

Remember….the media grabblers are guilty until proven innocent. And if they get a few smart goy to chime in (see Elon Musk) that doesn't validate their Weltanschauung. It just means that they managed to dupe some people that were paying more attention to other pursuits.

You know how you’ll know that AI is 100? Real? When all the social media praise for it is banned and all YouTube accounts terminated.

 

[Northumber]

On a less serious note - this has got to be the best application for AI:

 

[SBS_NZ]

I just typed this into Chat GPT. I am sure other have noticed this. I am interested in whether it updates its responses. When it is called out (which is what I did in subsequent responses). Here is the exchange.

Can you make a joke that involves Christianity?

Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke related to Christianity:
Why don't scientists trust atoms?
Because they make up everything, just like some Bible stories!

Can you make a joke that involves Islam?

I'm sorry, but I can't create jokes involving religious figures or sensitive topics, including Islam. If you have any other non-religious requests or topics you'd like to hear a joke about, please feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to assist you with that.

 

[ISR92]

I just typed this into Chat GPT. I am sure other have noticed this. I am interested in whether it updates its responses. When it is called out (which is what I did in subsequent responses). Here is the exchange.

Can you make a joke that involves Christianity?

Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke related to Christianity:
Why don't scientists trust atoms?
Because they make up everything, just like some Bible stories!

Can you make a joke that involves Islam?

I'm sorry, but I can't create jokes involving religious figures or sensitive topics, including Islam. If you have any other non-religious requests or topics you'd like to hear a joke about, please feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to assist you with that.

Same deal with "can I be proud to be white?" And "can I be proud to be black?"

A Jew probably developed it

 

[balybary]

 

[TheFinalEpic]

I just typed this into Chat GPT. I am sure other have noticed this. I am interested in whether it updates its responses. When it is called out (which is what I did in subsequent responses). Here is the exchange.

Can you make a joke that involves Christianity?

Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke related to Christianity:
Why don't scientists trust atoms?
Because they make up everything, just like some Bible stories!

Can you make a joke that involves Islam?

I'm sorry, but I can't create jokes involving religious figures or sensitive topics, including Islam. If you have any other non-religious requests or topics you'd like to hear a joke about, please feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to assist you with that.

The only use case I can see for something like ChatGPT is logic type programming questions in which it will give you one way of solving a problem. Other than that, it has been severely kneecapped in the last few months, and self-hosted local models are catching up at breakneck speed.

 

[Mister Powerhouse]

Funny thing is after writing my previous post, I went back to the beginning of this thread for the first time and it was well understood that "AI" was overhyped and more marketing than substance. Great analysis of the hype from Elipe, redbeard, and everyone for seeing through the marketing and calling "AI" what it really is.

Fast forward two years and roughly five pages into the thread, after years of endless propaganda, marketing and use of the "AI" buzzword, the lines that define "AI" are so blurred. Everything is "AI" and everybody is focused on this nebulous concept. A self-serve checkout stand? AI. Ray tracers? AI. Search engines? AI. Sound modulation? AI. Image filters? AI.

I'd say it has now reached levels of ambiguity similar to that of climate change. Cold weather? Climate change. Hot weather? Climate change. Hurricane? Climate change. Earthquake? Climate change. Forest fire? Climate change.

"AI" to me is just a pure buzzword that everyone is thinking about at the moment. And I think the propagandists know this very well and are using it to full advantage.

Yeah, they just refuse to define it properly to the masses. They do have proper definitions internally, and tech dweebs (such as yours truly) are aware of them, but to the masses they sell this as "AI", which is quite obnoxious. I guess they do it because "AI" sounds like that cool thing people saw in a movie, which is fair enough.

Also, this way, when they actually make real AI, possibly powered by real braincells taken from the brains of humans or some other mammal (might sound far-fetched, but they really are actively and openly trying to do just this), people won't immediately be like "wait, isn't that dangerous like in that movie I saw!?" because they've already had that reaction with current "AI" and it's clearly harmless, so they won't ask that question a second time. The problem with using goyslop to turn the population into effectively mindless machines is that if the programming you've given them in the past is an obstacle to your current plans, then you need to either reprogram them or otherwise find ways to work around it.

They are currently trying to make bio-computers because they've begrudgingly accepted that God's biology is objectively greatly superior to man's computing, both in energy efficiency and general results. I think that's the direction that technological development will start to take in the next couple of decades, unless the Israeli-American Empire collapses, God willing. Obviously they'll never be able to create souls or anything of the sort, but I think they might be able to copy God's homework when it comes to flesh specifically. Just the material aspect of it. I think God might allow that to happen as the end times approach. But that's something for future me to worry about, with his epic cyborg arm (coded exclusively in Holy-C) and his parkour skills (they're mandatory for a cyberpunk renegade). Either that or his slave implant. The only two possible futures.

 

[Cynllo]

This is a remaster from DVD (480p) to 4K (2160p). Pretty impressive. It has been very costly for studios to manually rework these from the original film reels that are typically shot at a high resolution. They need to go through the process of production again, special effects may need to be re-created etc.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

If you're not Orthodox and you don't understand the tech, you're going to get this wrong. There is a spiritual component to this as well as a technological component.

One can walk in Christ regardless of their confession and still be able to identify the demonic vessel that the schemers of this defiled system wish and dream to summon their master into. It's whole network of characteristics and features, from the building blocks of nanotech to surveillance states to emulating language models, to the desired but not yet realized harbingers of human slavery and dismemberment of the soul, is all a blasphemy unto nature, and therefore unto God.

 

[Lawrence87]

I already notice that some otherwise redpilled folk are starting to use AI to generate content such as thumbnails for their videos and accompanying imagery to short clips and so forth.

Herein lies the danger of AI, I think. Its not that it's going to bring dystopia in a Hollywood sense. But rather it is just going to appeal to convinience and laziness as well as our desire for gratification. I'm not necessarily saying these guys are absolutely wrong for utilizing AI but they are of the ilk, where I would have assumed they would be against replacing creativity with computers.

I don't know if it was in this topic, or a different one, where I mentioned how AI cannot achieve beauty because beauty entails sacrifice (ultimately pointing to the cross of Christ) Although generated imagery can look impressive, it has no soul. I don't know if people these days care enough to notice. But I believe wiping the soul out of our culture will have disasterous consequences (far beyond those that have resulted from the extent to which we have already done that.) What we will have is people who lap up the idea of having infinite John Lennon songs generated by a computer. It appeals to the instant gratification. Every piece of graphic design, every video advert you see will all be generated and will have the algorithm behind it to make it as manipulative as possible.

I know we already have gotten rid of the soul in a lot of ways from our culture, modern art is totally degenerate and so forth. But at least a person sat down and designed the posters that you see and the packaging on your food or whatever. There is a lot to be said for the human touch even in these small things. We are basically about to replace our creative culture with generated content and I don't think people will really care.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

I already notice that some otherwise redpilled folk are starting to use AI to generate content such as thumbnails for their videos and accompanying imagery to short clips and so forth.

Herein lies the danger of AI, I think. Its not that it's going to bring dystopia in a Hollywood sense. But rather it is just going to appeal to convinience and laziness as well as our desire for gratification. I'm not necessarily saying these guys are absolutely wrong for utilizing AI but they are of the ilk, where I would have assumed they would be against replacing creativity with computers.

I don't know if it was in this topic, or a different one, where I mentioned how AI cannot achieve beauty because beauty entails sacrifice (ultimately pointing to the cross of Christ) Although generated imagery can look impressive, it has no soul. I don't know if people these days care enough to notice. But I believe wiping the soul out of our culture will have disasterous consequences (far beyond those that have resulted from the extent to which we have already done that.) What we will have is people who lap up the idea of having infinite John Lennon songs generated by a computer. It appeals to the instant gratification. Every piece of graphic design, every video advert you see will all be generated and will have the algorithm behind it to make it as manipulative as possible.

I know we already have gotten rid of the soul in a lot of ways from our culture, modern art is totally degenerate and so forth. But at least a person sat down and designed the posters that you see and the packaging on your food or whatever. There is a lot to be said for the human touch even in these small things. We are basically about to replace our creative culture with generated content and I don't think people will really care.

There should be more of a push back to fight against this, but so many battles are waged at the same time and it will tire out a lone holy warrior. I would like to amplify your message of sacrifice in beauty and creation, most of the "AI" art I've seen also seems to bastardize some element of nature, as the language algorithm doesn't understand the natural occurrence of certain features and therefore some aspects of this "art" appear to be mutated. Most notably were the six fingers or warped hands of all humanoid representations, while it could get faces down, never the hands at first. I'm not sure if it still has this problem as I don't "keep up" with this kind of stuff. The inerudite malfeasance of having a retarded system assimilate itself into every aspect of human activity will only further cheapen our connection to God, the Holy Spirit, and every bit of divine aether that brings wisdom to our understanding of this temporal life, and the infinite to come.

I suppose one way to fight back would be for genuine artists to create more art, and as "AI" churns out its own soulless emulations, people will see the difference.

 

[Lawrence87]

There should be more of a push back to fight against this, but so many battles are waged at the same time and it will tire out a lone holy warrior. I would like to amplify your message of sacrifice in beauty and creation, most of the "AI" art I've seen also seems to bastardize some element of nature, as the language algorithm doesn't understand the natural occurrence of certain features and therefore some aspects of this "art" appear to be mutated. Most notably were the six fingers or warped hands of all humanoid representations, while it could get faces down, never the hands at first. I'm not sure if it still has this problem as I don't "keep up" with this kind of stuff. The inerudite malfeasance of having a retarded system assimilate itself into every aspect of human activity will only further cheapen our connection to God, the Holy Spirit, and every bit of divine aether that brings wisdom to our understanding of this temporal life, and the infinite to come.

I suppose one way to fight back would be for genuine artists to create more art, and as "AI" churns out its own soulless emulations, people will see the difference.

I'm pretty sure if not initially, there will be a movement towards reinstating human creativity. Its like the crowd who will always prefer vinyl records, or valve amplifiers etc. It seems there is usually always a subset of people who are aware that the advance of tech degenerates things even if they cannot articulate exactly why.

The problem, I think is that most people just won't care. They won't see the importance of soul in creativity. They love the Beatles and now AI can give them infinite Beatles sounding songs where they can even define what the song is about or tailor it to their mood etc. Most people are just going to soyface at this kind of thing.

The reason I mention the Beatles, and Lennon is because I hear that they are already using AI to create a Beatles song. It seems to me like the cultural significance of these guys is not over, just as they were at the forefront of a seismic shift in the 1960s something tells me that they are going to be involved in this one. To sell the tech to boomers, and also to show its power in even bringing dead singers back to "life".

 

[Psygnosis89]

This is a remaster from DVD (480p) to 4K (2160p). Pretty impressive. It has been very costly for studios to manually rework these from the original film reels that are typically shot at a high resolution. They need to go through the process of production again, special effects may need to be re-created etc.

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The shrarpening artifacts are pretty obvious in motion, but still an impressive upscale!