Attractive and Successful 27yo NYC Woman Commits Suicide

[Lunostrelki]

I roughly agree, though I do believe that material satiation does serve as a catalyst for making all those social problems worse.

 

[911]

I roughly agree, though I do believe that material satiation does serve as a catalyst for making all those social problems worse.

The opposite is true, there is a strong link between suicide rates and economic precariousness.

People who earned less than $34,000 were 50 percent more likely to commit suicide, researchers found. People who earned between $34,000 and $102,000 increased their risk for suicide by only 10 percent.

The secret to happiness may simply be having a 9-to-5. "We find that being unemployed or out of the labor force, for any reason, raises suicide risk relative to being employed," the researchers write. Unemployed people, in fact, are 72 percent more likely to commit suicide than people who are working.

https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp07-12bk.pdf

Social misery and suicides go up significantly in areas hit by economic depressions.

As well affluent young people are marrying at greater rates than economically disadvantaged ones. People in stable family situations are happier and less likely to commit suicide.

Material affluence is not the issue, if anything, it is a positive factor.

It's a bit more complicated than that, social problems started with the Boomer generation in the 60s, they were victims of social engineering which made them reject the traditional society they grew up in. Two generations later, you have young women leading empty lives getting depressed.

 

[realologist]

We can expect more of these in the future.

"She had everything going for her"

Bottom line is chicks are lied to about what will give their lives meaning and fulfillment.

Humans have been conditioned for 10's thousands of years to to deal with real fear (aka physical danger) while societies have been striving to reduce if not eliminate all the sources of said fear.

Western societies have been extremely successful in accomplishing that without really ever considering what would fill that existential void. Hence the rise of fear of ego and manufactured "problems".

Without the ability to appreciate * the positives of living in the safest, healthiest, easiest, era in the history of human kind people like this woman are often left to ruminate themselves into believing their lives "lacking"


* I wrote in another post

Appreciation is a critical component that is often overlooked and or mis-defined

Ive often used the following analogy when discussing the nature of appreciation*

Imagine if you will a glass of water. Now in that water there are a few particles of something floating around. Maybe just a little dust the wind kicked off the kitchen window sill.

Would you drink it?

Of course not. Youre in the kitchen. You simply dump it, rinse the glass and pour another glass from the filtered water port on the fridge

Most on the forum will recognize this as having "abundance mentality".

But lets change up the hypothetical scenario. Your car breaks down on some remote stretch of road of the Mojave Desert. Your stranded with no cell reception, no provisions and no civilization for 100 miles so you have no choice but to walk out. So you walk for the next 3. 5 days, without food or water and finally stumble across and old abandoned shack. You are at the end of your endurance, cracked tongue and lips from dehydration

You stumble in and there on the counter:

Would you drink it? Of course. Anyone would. And in that extreme moment that less than pristine glass of water would be the best tasting, most satisfying, most appreciated glass of water of your life. Wouldn't it ?

That's a totally wrong take, it totally misses the mark.

Young women and men in America weren't committing suicide and getting depressed at the same rates 50 years ago, back when material abundance was at least as great as it today, and the world and urban environment were actually safer than today.

The difference is not that the world is too safe and too materially rich, the difference is that the social environment is significantly poorer today than it was 50 years ago. And this decline is not a consequence of material satiation, as college debt, spiraling housing costs, underemployment and lack of career prospects are recent problems that have made the economic prospects of young people more precarious than those of their predecessors.

It's the cultural changes that are creating depressed young women and men, and those changes have been deliberately created by social engineering.

Someone has Rose colored glasses about 50 years ago and probably feels it was the "Golden Age" of America. Life was better in some ways then with connectedness but material wealth was nowhere near as high them as today whether artificially put there by debt or not.

People owned smaller homes, siblings often shared rooms, there was one TV in the house, people had way less clothes, technology, just about anything. Kids had less toys. People were even on average smaller and shorter then because our diet has improved. This led to a different, huge problem.

Crime was much worse than too. It actually started surging in the 60s all the way through the 90s.

This is easily the most comfortable time in US history. PT was right. If you can't humble yourself, appreciate what you have, where you live and how easy it really is. That's what led to this girl's demise.

I feel bad for her. It's a sad story when anyone commits suicide.

 

[StrikeBack]

It's anecdotal, but every girl I've ever met who works (or studies) as a dietitian or nutritionist is mentally ill. Doesn't help being in NYC, where there is huge pressure to forgo any thought of family and children to focus on a shitty career.

 

[Heuristics]

I'm reminded of a suicide of an by all means successful male food blogger (of asian background) who was an incel. That is a problem women aren't readily facing, and even if men aren't facing that problem, they have much higher mortality rates when it comes to attempted suicides, drug overdoes, alcoholism, incarceration, etc.

 

[Heuristics]

We can expect more of these in the future.

"She had everything going for her"

Bottom line is chicks are lied to about what will give their lives meaning and fulfillment.

Humans have been conditioned for 10's thousands of years to to deal with real fear (aka physical danger) while societies have been striving to reduce if not eliminate all the sources of said fear.

Western societies have been extremely successful in accomplishing that without really ever considering what would fill that existential void. Hence the rise of fear of ego and manufactured "problems".

Without the ability to appreciate * the positives of living in the safest, healthiest, easiest, era in the history of human kind people like this woman are often left to ruminate themselves into believing their lives "lacking"


* I wrote in another post

Appreciation is a critical component that is often overlooked and or mis-defined

Ive often used the following analogy when discussing the nature of appreciation*

Imagine if you will a glass of water. Now in that water there are a few particles of something floating around. Maybe just a little dust the wind kicked off the kitchen window sill.

Would you drink it?

Of course not. Youre in the kitchen. You simply dump it, rinse the glass and pour another glass from the filtered water port on the fridge

Most on the forum will recognize this as having "abundance mentality".

But lets change up the hypothetical scenario. Your car breaks down on some remote stretch of road of the Mojave Desert. Your stranded with no cell reception, no provisions and no civilization for 100 miles so you have no choice but to walk out. So you walk for the next 3. 5 days, without food or water and finally stumble across and old abandoned shack. You are at the end of your endurance, cracked tongue and lips from dehydration

You stumble in and there on the counter:

Would you drink it? Of course. Anyone would. And in that extreme moment that less than pristine glass of water would be the best tasting, most satisfying, most appreciated glass of water of your life. Wouldn't it ?

That's a totally wrong take, it totally misses the mark.

Young women and men in America weren't committing suicide and getting depressed at the same rates 50 years ago, back when material abundance was at least as great as it today, and the world and urban environment were actually safer than today.

The difference is not that the world is too safe and too materially rich, the difference is that the social environment is significantly poorer today than it was 50 years ago. And this decline is not a consequence of material satiation, as college debt, spiraling housing costs, underemployment and lack of career prospects are recent problems that have made the economic prospects of young people more precarious than those of their predecessors.

It's the cultural changes that are creating depressed young women and men, and those changes have been deliberately created by social engineering.

Someone has Rose colored glasses about 50 years ago and probably feels it was the "Golden Age" of America. Life was better in some ways then with connectedness but material wealth was nowhere near as high them as today whether artificially put there by debt or not.

People owned smaller homes, siblings often shared rooms, there was one TV in the house, people had way less clothes, technology, just about anything. Kids had less toys. People were even on average smaller and shorter then because our diet has improved. This led to a different, huge problem.

Crime was much worse than too. It actually started surging in the 60s all the way through the 90s.

This is easily the most comfortable time in US history. PT was right. If you can't humble yourself, appreciate what you have, where you live and how easy it really is. That's what led to this girl's demise.

I feel bad for her. It's a sad story when anyone commits suicide.

This is probably true. My thought is mechanisms of social control have improved over time, and thus we've seen a decrease in crime. Just look at the stats for people spending time in their homes these days-- it's gone up. People are way less social.. Bingeing on netflix, video games, virtual reality, social media, etc. People are still violent, it's just that they're subdued because of distractions. When shit goes south, people are going to resort to their natural behavior.

 

[911]

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Someone has Rose colored glasses about 50 years ago and probably feels it was the "Golden Age" of America. Life was better in some ways then with connectedness but material wealth was nowhere near as high them as today whether artificially put there by debt or not.

People owned smaller homes, siblings often shared rooms, there was one TV in the house, people had way less clothes, technology, just about anything. Kids had less toys. People were even on average smaller and shorter then because our diet has improved. This led to a different, huge problem.

Crime was much worse than too. It actually started surging in the 60s all the way through the 90s.

This is easily the most comfortable time in US history. PT was right. If you can't humble yourself, appreciate what you have, where you live and how easy it really is. That's what led to this girl's demise.

I feel bad for her. It's a sad story when anyone commits suicide.

Crime rates were actually significantly lower in the US 50 years ago, about 3 times lower, and even lower before that in the 1950s.

Whether diets were worse is highly debatable, based on the explosive growth in diet-related illnesses like diabetes, heart disease or cancer. A lot of the increase in size is due to unhealthy industrial additives like growth hormones, aspartame, HFCS and processes like GMOs that did not exist in the 1950s.

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It's true that homes were smaller, with larger households, but there were far fewer single-parent households and singles. Loneliness was not the social plague it is today. As far as overall wealth level, they had the same level of material wealth while women hardly worked, so in fact your purchasing power as a man was twice as high as it is today:

[img=600x350]https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...AAAAARdg/q042PLJKx78/s1600/lfp2.jpg&f=1[/img]

College and healthcare were far more accessible. About the only thing that's more accessible today is air travel, only the rich flew to Europe or Asia, but local/national vacations were widely accessible.

Since the 1950s, there has been huge increases in technology-driven growth, but the wealth this has generated has mostly eluded the middle classes, which are far more economically precarious today than in the 1950s, due to the dilution of the labor force through women entering the labor force and mass immigration on one hand, and planned deindustrialization/outsourcing on the other. There is no question that we live in more precarious economic times today than in the 1950s.

In any case, the overall economic disparity is not huge, people aren't starving today. The real difference lies in cultural richness, decades ago people lived in far healthier and more stable societies. We live today in culturally degenerate and toxic times, and that is the main source of misery today.

 

[SaintLaurentJake]

It’s the ultimate first world problem, I get it. I often felt detached while in a room full of my favorite people; I also felt absolutely nothing during what should have been the happiest and darkest times in my life. No single conversation or situation has led me to make this decision, so at what point do you metaphorically pull the trigger? - TLC


Social Media probably played a big part in this along with societal expectations. People are more "connected" than ever through the web, yet loneliness and isolation is on the rise in the developed world. Many friendships and relationships seem to be artificial and only exist because one party wants to extract or acquire something out of it for self-benefit. I have had this feeling before. Indeed it is a 1st World problem because if you notice, in less developed countries friendships and relationships are forged through true connection and care for one another, traditional family development allows people to live fulfilling lives, something that is becoming less prevalent in each day as social media cancer grows..



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ung-people-than-even-those-over-72/559961002/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ology-cox-commission-ons-health-a8311781.html

 

[kaotic]

^^^

"Everyone's connected, but noone's connecting"

 

[Max RNR]

This is an absolute and horrible shame.

She saw her future as a cat woman and decided to end it.

I wonder what she was like in her 18-24 years.

 

[Heuristics]

It’s the ultimate first world problem, I get it. I often felt detached while in a room full of my favorite people; I also felt absolutely nothing during what should have been the happiest and darkest times in my life. No single conversation or situation has led me to make this decision, so at what point do you metaphorically pull the trigger? - TLC


Social Media probably played a big part in this along with societal expectations. People are more connected than ever through the web yet loneliness and isolation is on the rise in the developed world. Many friendships and relationships seem to be artificial and only exist because one party wants to extract or acquire something out of it for self-benefit. I have had this feeling before. Indeed it is a 1st World problem because if you notice, in less developed countries friendships and relationships are forged through true connection[/align] and care for one another, something that is becoming less prevalent in each day as social media cancer grows..



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ung-people-than-even-those-over-72/559961002/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ology-cox-commission-ons-health-a8311781.html

I’ve just started to get plugged into the thoughts of women that are on social media, and I can tell you it’s real troubling. Women have serious complexes—asked for the opinion of a close female friend— and confirmed how cognizant they are of needing validation from social media. In many cases they’re taking hundreds of photos for the one perfect one, and they pull it down if it doesn’t achieve their goal, as dumb as that may sound to us. This goes for men as well, I started asking millennial male friends about it, and I can tell they care almost as much, the younger they are the more conscious of it they are.

It’s somewhat funny that we’ve all banded together on this forum to actually achieve a real brotherhood, friendship, whatever you want to call it. Self-censorship is so onerous in my day-to-day life, I just take it as the new normal.

Friendships definitely seem more transactional, especially once you get outside of your first social circle and have to deal with transitions of moving, school, the workplace, and so on. I can’t tell you how autistic many millennials seem to me. It is a struggle holding conversation with many. In contrast, people older than myself are much easier to engage. Recently I’ve been having beers with some men 40+ and holy shit it’s just so enjoyable to shoot the shit with them. Some of them are keenly aware of the changes that are happening: their sons are addicted to instagram, video games, or internet porn. Many are astutely directionless, and the fathers have an awareness that things are no longer the same, and your life can be decided on a split-second decision from social media or one fuck-up. Shoot man, some of these older dudes crashed multiple cars, but never got arrested, much less were prevented from getting a job.

First world problems are of a different level of magnitude than 3rd world problems, but take a look at Japan, Korea, China, etc to see how much pressure there is on people to succeed at all times, much less confirm to rigid norms/ standards of behavior. Hell, the number of suicides there are astounding. That or men shut themselves in video game cafes or the home and never come out. Something like 1/3 of Japanese younger generation are sexless.

It’s official really: facebook, instagram, et al can do no wrong. The inflection point would have came long ago, but it didn’t. This is the new normal. The only thing that could change it is some massive global conflict, civil war, or shutdown of the internet.

 

[Penta Sahi]

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How does a girl like this not find a man (or woman if she's into that) to help give her purpose in life?

What a waste.

 

[Heuristics]

How does a girl like this not find a man (or woman if she's into that) to help give her purpose in life?

What a waste.

Imagine if internet social media platforms, internet gatekeepers were regulated as public utilities, and the addictive ones regulated much like the tobacco industry or food industry. I'm not advocating regulation, but imagine what happens if they regulate the platforms like they're toxic and addictive (because from a neuroscience and social standpoint they are). Things would change...

Depopulation agenda alongside propaganda promoting spinsterism, shaming heterosexuals is insidious and has much more effect on women than men, I believe.

San Francisco is a horrible place to live too, they are peddling so much bullshit there to normies (read: non-homo, who have aspirations other than career).

I suspect people are much more plugged into the matrix in SF than almost anywhere else in the world. It is a testing ground for Globalism 2.0 as well.

 

[SaintLaurentJake]

It’s the ultimate first world problem, I get it. I often felt detached while in a room full of my favorite people; I also felt absolutely nothing during what should have been the happiest and darkest times in my life. No single conversation or situation has led me to make this decision, so at what point do you metaphorically pull the trigger? - TLC


Social Media probably played a big part in this along with societal expectations. People are more connected than ever through the web yet loneliness and isolation is on the rise in the developed world. Many friendships and relationships seem to be artificial and only exist because one party wants to extract or acquire something out of it for self-benefit. I have had this feeling before. Indeed it is a 1st World problem because if you notice, in less developed countries friendships and relationships are forged through true connection[/align] and care for one another, something that is becoming less prevalent in each day as social media cancer grows..



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ung-people-than-even-those-over-72/559961002/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ology-cox-commission-ons-health-a8311781.html

I’ve just started to get plugged into the thoughts of women that are on social media, and I can tell you it’s real troubling. Women have serious complexes—asked for the opinion of a close female friend— and confirmed how cognizant they are of needing validation from social media. In many cases they’re taking hundreds of photos for the one perfect one, and they pull it down if it doesn’t achieve their goal, as dumb as that may sound to us. This goes for men as well, I started asking millennial male friends about it, and I can tell they care almost as much, the younger they are the more conscious of it they are.

It’s somewhat funny that we’ve all banded together on this forum to actually achieve a real brotherhood, friendship, whatever you want to call it. Self-censorship is so onerous in my day-to-day life, I just take it as the new normal.

Friendships definitely seem more transactional, especially once you get outside of your first social circle and have to deal with transitions of moving, school, the workplace, and so on. I can’t tell you how autistic many millennials seem to me. It is a struggle holding conversation with many. In contrast, people older than myself are much easier to engage. Recently I’ve been having beers with some men 40+ and holy shit it’s just so enjoyable to shoot the shit with them. Some of them are keenly aware of the changes that are happening: their sons are addicted to instagram, video games, or internet porn. Many are astutely directionless, and the fathers have an awareness that things are no longer the same, and your life can be decided on a split-second decision from social media or one fuck-up. Shoot man, some of these older dudes crashed multiple cars, but never got arrested, much less were prevented from getting a job.

First world problems are of a different level of magnitude than 3rd world problems, but take a look at Japan, Korea, China, etc to see how much pressure there is on people to succeed at all times, much less confirm to rigid norms/ standards of behavior. Hell, the number of suicides there are astounding. That or men shut themselves in video game cafes or the home and never come out. Something like 1/3 of Japanese younger generation are sexless.

It’s official really: facebook, instagram, et al can do no wrong. The inflection point would have came long ago, but it didn’t. This is the new normal. The only thing that could change it is some massive global conflict, civil war, or shutdown of the internet.

I agree with a lot of what you said. In addition, marriage rates going down in the West, almost half of marriages ending in divorce, More Women told to put career first and attempting to marry Post-Wall, growing Western societal division via politics and gender equality, fearmongering present in Media to instill fear and increase viewership based on shock factor, LGBTQ agenda shoved down our throats to promote people to become transexuals ( even children) etc

As a result, cultures with traditional values ,(perhaps too traditional with honor killings and repressive laws) Sharia law dominated Muslim countries will out populate the West within the next 100 years.

 

[ben123]

This story is pretty much made for this forum. NYC Dietitian, single and childless, posts a dramatic suicide note on her website before hanging herself. She had a great job and in my opinion nice looking. She has a slew of photos on her instagram and even her suicide note was a clear attempt at post death attention whoring.

I feel bad for her and her mother. I imagine she was medicated with anti-depressants and brainwashed into believing being an "independent childless woman" was the key to her happiness. Had she been born into a traditional patriarchal society she would probably be a happy wife and mother.

You're so lame and bitter lmao. Why does she need to have a child or partner to be happy? That is just beyond primitive thinking. Consider converting to Islam and moving to Egypt or Bangladesh. Those women over there are "happy" 5 kids, a mutilated vagina, and incapable of reading a menu. I actually respect women without children, the world is overpopulated. Thank You, educated and independent men/woman for making this world less shitty and not breeding. Rip to this woman.

 

[Sombro]

Know Your Meme:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/women-laughing-alone-with-salad

 

[Aurini]

It's just sad all around whenever you see something like this.

Poor woman. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be so alone. I don't know that the patriarchy would have saved her, but perhaps some genuine human kindness might have. Women need it, especially.

You can see it in her eyes. You can always tell when someone is genuinely happy from their eyes. There's no zest there. There's no life. No broader meaning. Children might have helped.

You can see the difference on her instagram. The picture of her with the two kids is the happiest she looks, even when compared to traveling, or GNOs and all that.

That said...

I wonder why her father isn't mentioned at all in any of these? I wonder what role that played?

We often don't know what is best for us, or even what makes us most happy. Without a community to support us or intense self-analysis, we are at risk of following her dark path.

 

[BlueMark]

Living in New York is a soul-sucking experience. I spent four years there getting a little more worn out every single day from the sheer ugliness of it all -- the dysfunction of the subway, the crap everywhere on the streets, the mindless pedestrians who cause traffic jams because they can't be bothered to wait five seconds for a red light, the antlike character of its globalized population -- and the fact that there's basically no escape from it if you're a person of ordinary means. Sure, there's lots of nice places to eat out. Lots of places to go shopping, if that's what you like. Then what? You're still an atomized Deep Fried Human Nugget in a fetid cage of urban grid.

It's not even like some big Asian cities where things are neat, the public transit works properly, and people behave themselves (or at least stay quiet and courteous).

I just moved out of NYC after a year and a half. I have to agree with the observation about vs Asian cities. After having visited the likes of Tokyo, Taipei, and Singapore, it's really hard to appreciate NYC. I always found myself comparing NYC to Asian cities and finding it very lacking, both in terms of the city infrastructure and the attractiveness of the women.

At the end of the day, it was very hard to buy into the notion that "NYC is the greatest city in the world."

San Francisco is a horrible place to live too, they are peddling so much bullshit there to normies (read: non-homo, who have aspirations other than career).

I suspect people are much more plugged into the matrix in SF than almost anywhere else in the world. It is a testing ground for Globalism 2.0 as well.

SF: the only place in the world where six-figure software engineers still need to live with roommates past age 30.

I do wonder if there's some broad, low-level mental illness for most young people living in both the SF bay area and NYC, due to both the globalist/feminist indoctrination and the cognitive dissonance between all the propaganda vs reality.

Propaganda: We are disrupting industries and changing the world! It's a gold rush!
Reality: Social media is just making people unhappy, and startups don't make the average worker rich.

Propaganda: SF is such a great city, one of the best in the world.
Reality: Pay $2000 to rent a room or $3000 a month for an old 1 br apartment, see homeless people defecating everywhere and breaking into your car.

Propaganda: NYC is such a great city! You have everything!
Reality: Subway can't run on time, stinks, and is full of trash. Need a lot of money to properly enjoy all the amenities.

 

[Goldin Boy]

Of the reason speculated for her suicide speculated, most of which I suspect are just the respective posters sentiments/frustrations with modern liberal Western society that they're projecting onto this suicide, all of them could've been easily reversed/circumvented:

1) She felt alienated due to social media: Solution: Pickup a fucking phone and talk to friend. Better yet go their house and talk face to face.
2) She was childless: Solution: Find a beta chode, act interested or find an alpha and poke hole in the condom.
3) No friends: Join a club, gym, or sports team(like Astoria Social).

So why do people on this thread feel bad? She did nothing to better her situation so I feel nothing but digust for her, so fuck her taking the coward's way out(same for any man).

On the bright side, she and David Carradine can swap tips on knot tying techniques in the afterlife.

 

[MrLemon]

I feel really uncomfortable speculating, such is the nature of modern times, that I feel like it plays into what's wrong with modern society, millisecond based judgements on limited facts, Instagram photos, etc.

It was only yesterday I was thinking of how bad it's going for people right now in the US--just so many people feeling empty and lacking larger purpose. This goes doubly for larger cities that are pressure-cookers for feeling like you're unable to keep up. That being said, no one is shedding tears for the Carnage happening to working class, and younger males in Middle America right now. It's indicative of a malaise in society. We've completely debased everything into consumerism and status contests. Anyway, the spirits of many in the cities are crushed. There's no meaning in their lives.

I keep drawing parallels to Russia after fall of the soviet Union. Massive alcoholism, drug use, suicides, violent crime, and people feeling utterly crushed. Theres really no excuse for this shit to be happening in the US. No one cares, politicians don't care, families are broken, there's no cohesion and anxiety and depression are increasing massively. Job market is screwed, and no I'm not gonna fucking code. It won't be long until coding is redundant too. The trend is disturbing and it will get much worse.

SSRIs and Xanax are being handed out like candy but they don't treat the root cause, which is a decline society where there is no spiritual, no metaphysical, no grand narrative. Self hating nihilism and a lack of proper traditionalist values were pushed by marxists, deviating us from our path to meaning and truth. I encourage everyone to do themselves a favor, and call up friends family, etc. Support systems are there for a reason. Get off social media, Netflix, etc; volunteer and help someone out, maybe an old person. Change starts at the individual level, and we have to bring back some cohesion rather than callous indifference to our neighbors and fellow humans.

My condolences.

If she was married and pregnant, 90% likely that all those things would have been swept away. Sure, being depressed can be hell when you have kids, but in the vast majority of cases the pregnancy sweeps away all that.

So I will say again: married and pregnant, she would be alive and well. Rich or poor, SF or Toledo, white or black, doesn't matter. Women are made by nature to make babies. Get them working on babies and the rest resolves itself.