Austria introduces mandatory vaccination for its citizens

KoolDoon

 
Banned
Protestant
I think it will be worse. The 1930s was the clash of rationalist-enlightenment philosophies. Aren't the corporate-fascist state, eugenics and Communism the end-points of the enlightenment?

We are living through the end of the enlightenment. The "science"-worshipping transhumanist agenda is the enlightenment gone past its logical conclusions. mad. It's men thinking that they are so intelligent that they can play god. They think they can create life and live for eternity.

As the underlying intellectual basis of our society crumbles, there will be huge ructions - war, famine, plague (a real one, not a fake meme-virus).

As the Beast system tries to save it self, it will lash out.
There is also the pyschology of the state.
That might sound more libertarian than I am, but the bigger the state the more tyrannical it is. The tyranny does not start with Covid or any other cruel insanity. Think about the problems and psycho terror some person working at the tax authority can cause you, although you did not do anything wrong and it is only about 127 dollars in the end. Is that person at the tax authority a passionate sadist or a banal treadmill-beast? I say the latter.
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic

Demonstration Alert: Vienna (Austria), December 1 Demonstrations and General Strike to Protest COVID-19 Mandatory Vaccinations


Demonstration Alert - U. S. Embassy Vienna (December 1, 2021)

Location: Announced gathering points include, but are not limited to, the following areas in Austria:

--Vienna, 1st District - Maria-Theresien Platz and Ring Road
--Lower Austria- Landhaus Boulevard (St. Pölten)
--Burgenland- Europaplatz 1(Eisenstadt)
--Upper Austria- Landhausplatz 1 (Linz)
--Steiermark- Herengasse 16 (Graz)
--Kärnten- Arnulfplatz 1 (Klagenfurt)
--Salzburg- Chiemseehof (Salzburg)
--Tirol- Maria-Theresien-Straβe 43 (Innsbruck)
--Vorarlberg- Roemerstrasse 15 (Bregenz)

Event: On Wednesday, December 1, the FPOe (Freedom Party Austria) has called for demonstrations and general strike to stop work and take to the streets against COVID-19 mandatory vaccinations.

In Vienna, a demonstration is expected to begin at 1:00 p.m. at Maria-Theresien Platz. At 3:00 p.m. the demonstration will move onto the Ring Road. An estimated 2,500 to 3,500 people are expected to attend. The FPOe is also urging residents across Austria to demonstrate in front of each state's Parliament building.



Let's see how many citizens will actually participate.

Spontaneous demonstration against compulsory vaccination disrupts traffic in provincial capital Linz

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Compulsory vaccination seems to be turning into a fatal boomerang for politicians in Austria. Today, December 1, thousands of people gathered in Linz, for example. But since the rally was not registered and had no leadership, the participants subsequently scattered across Linz, various thousands of people looking for a task for themselves, so to speak. This brought traffic to a complete standstill in large parts of the city.

From the police's point of view, the rally in Linz probably got completely out of hand, while the participants were proud of a great success. The objective was apparently to send a clearly visible signal and bring public life to a standstill. As far as traffic is concerned, this was achieved in Linz, the capital of Upper Austria. One of the most important traffic hubs was blocked for a good three hours - producing traffic jams that will presumably take many hours to clear.

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At the same time, thousands of people marched through the important shopping street, Landstraße. There, they caused obstructions at various other important road intersections. The police seemed to be completely overchallenged due to the leaderless and thus completely decentralized approach of the rally participants.

It also became apparent that the police can hardly get manpower on the streets when demonstrations are taking place simultaneously in all state capitals. Otherwise, the authorities pull forces together from all over Austria and different provinces help each other out with personnel. This was not possible on the day of the warning strike, as all the provinces had their hands full in their own capitals.
 

Tradcatholic

Robin
Catholic
There is also the pyschology of the state.
That might sound more libertarian than I am, but the bigger the state the more tyrannical it is. The tyranny does not start with Covid or any other cruel insanity. Think about the problems and psycho terror some person working at the tax authority can cause you, although you did not do anything wrong and it is only about 127 dollars in the end. Is that person at the tax authority a passionate sadist or a banal treadmill-beast? I say the latter.
Yes. That may have been less true in the time of great, clunky empires, where provincial administrations could vary in power, effectiveness and justice. But when combined with cutting edge technology, yes.
 

muscacav

Sparrow
Catholic
I think it will be worse. The 1930s was the clash of rationalist-enlightenment philosophies. Aren't the corporate-fascist state, eugenics and Communism the end-points of the enlightenment?

We are living through the end of the enlightenment. The "science"-worshipping transhumanist agenda is the enlightenment gone past its logical conclusions. mad. It's men thinking that they are so intelligent that they can play god. They think they can create life and live for eternity.

As the underlying intellectual basis of our society crumbles, there will be huge ructions - war, famine, plague (a real one, not a fake meme-virus).

As the Beast system tries to save it self, it will lash out.
There is nothing new under the Sun. Man always tried to be like God when they were drowned in pride.

I've already recomended this little book here and I'll do it again: http://robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html

Returning to our specific theme, we see that the striving for self-destruction expressed in socialism not only is not analogous or "equivalent" to other forces acting in history, but is fundamentally distinct from them in character. For example, in contrast to a religious or a national ideology, which openly proclaims its goals, the "death instinct" that is embodied in socialism appears in the guise of religion, reason, social justice, national endeavors or science, and never shows its true face. Apparently its action is the stronger the more directly it is perceived by the subconscious part of the psyche, but only on condition that consciousness remains unaware.

We would like to propose, in a purely hypothetical manner and without insisting on this part of the argument, that the striving for self-destruction may perform a useful function in relation to other, creative, forces in history, and that humanity needs it in some way to achieve its goals. The only rational argument in favor of this supposition is the almost inexorable way, reminiscent of natural and scientific laws, with which different nations of the world, especially in our century, have been falling under the influence of socialist ideology. This could be an indication that it is an experience through which mankind must necessarily pass. The only question would then be the level on which this experience will run its course. Will it be on the spiritual plane? As the physical experience of certain peoples? Or of humanity as a whole? Soloviev, in his early works, developed an optimistic theory according to which mankind, in order to build life on religious principles, would first have to pass through an extreme phase of concern for individuality, to the point of hostility to God, finally coming to God by this route through a conscious act of this individuality. This is the reason for his interest in the pessimistic philosophies of Schopenhauer and Hartmann, which Soloviev regarded as a sign of the coming end of the individualistic epoch, as testimony of the spiritual death toward which the path of a religious development leads. However, this purely spiritual experience proved to be insufficient. Soloviev himself came to this realization, as is clear from his last and perhaps most profound works.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
The authorities know that but the tactic is to use it as verbal bullying. The problem is that the financial implication are pretty realistic and especially with pensioners whose pension funds could be used to pay the fines. Here we have a real problem and it is going to be pretty efficient at forcing people to comply.
May provoke some level of capital flight / run on the banks
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Other Christian
The problem I see with peaceful protests is that if they are too frequent, you will have a "cry wolf" effect. Meaning that the elites will understand that there is no danger of it escalating, so they are safe in ignoring them and continuing with their plans. That`s why I like strikes and sabotage better.
 

KoolDoon

 
Banned
Protestant
Yes. That may have been less true in the time of great, clunky empires, where provincial administrations could vary in power, effectiveness and justice. But when combined with cutting edge technology, yes.
The HRE was a collection of strong, self-confident kingdoms and duchies. That prevented the emperor from being a tyrant. The tsars of Russia and the kings of France and England could be tyrannical because they had centralized power. The Holy Roman Emperor always had to work with the kings and dukes. We now have a "liberal" absolute "monarchy".
 

Jive Turkey

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Its not pointless.

Mass unrest and mass demonstrations scare the hell out of them.

Imagine that Soccer hooligan crowd marching over the Vaxx in Vienna in immediate response to a mandate announcement. They re-calibrate their response when they see that.

In Europe they are weaselly technocrats in control of tiny security forces. The UK army is now only 80,000 strong and many are now women, desk jockeys or soft little space-hoppers. The Navy is a joke. The Air Force ha ha ha don't get me started. 160 000 police of whom most are unarmed, many are women and the majority tubby little muppets. Their only real weapon is the media, internet algorithms and selective arrests.

They only get any progress in their enslavement because people meekly go along with it. When people take to the streets they re think their plans. 2 million in London and they go easy the next 3 months and kick the can down the road to when they try again.
Most pro jab Brits I know predict unrest and resistance if they try another lockdown.

We'll see if it happens. The reason the UK goes softly softly in its messaging is because they fear the mob.

Its not about changing peoples thinking its about showing them consequences and the cowardly weasels in Europe follow all of this demonstration and protest. They cant do anything in the short term if the public turn on them.

Crowds and unrest make a big difference.
You are right, calling it pointless was going too far. I guess I should have said "protesting without changing your way of life is not very effective", so thank you for correcting me. I think the message I was trying to get across is that it would be better if people just refused to wear a mask in the beginning of this whole mess, full stop. If everyone who thought it was stupid, at least fifty percent of the population, did that, then this issue would be solved overnight. Instead, people do as they're told at school and at work, and then decide to get a case of the big balls and go march in the street. That, to me, doesn't make sense. But looking back, saying protesting is "pointless" was definitely wording it too strongly.
 
Spontaneous demonstration against compulsory vaccination disrupts traffic in provincial capital Linz

nibelungenbruecke.jpg


Compulsory vaccination seems to be turning into a fatal boomerang for politicians in Austria. Today, December 1, thousands of people gathered in Linz, for example. But since the rally was not registered and had no leadership, the participants subsequently scattered across Linz, various thousands of people looking for a task for themselves, so to speak. This brought traffic to a complete standstill in large parts of the city.

From the police's point of view, the rally in Linz probably got completely out of hand, while the participants were proud of a great success. The objective was apparently to send a clearly visible signal and bring public life to a standstill. As far as traffic is concerned, this was achieved in Linz, the capital of Upper Austria. One of the most important traffic hubs was blocked for a good three hours - producing traffic jams that will presumably take many hours to clear.

image-1.webp


At the same time, thousands of people marched through the important shopping street, Landstraße. There, they caused obstructions at various other important road intersections. The police seemed to be completely overchallenged due to the leaderless and thus completely decentralized approach of the rally participants.

It also became apparent that the police can hardly get manpower on the streets when demonstrations are taking place simultaneously in all state capitals. Otherwise, the authorities pull forces together from all over Austria and different provinces help each other out with personnel. This was not possible on the day of the warning strike, as all the provinces had their hands full in their own capitals.
This is great news!

This is exactly the kind of thing that WILL bring change. Remember even the yellow vest protest DID achieve its main end, which was stopping the diesel fuel hike. Enough inconvenience or pain to the elites or cucks and they will back off.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
The problem I see with peaceful protests is that if they are too frequent, you will have a "cry wolf" effect. Meaning that the elites will understand that there is no danger of it escalating, so they are safe in ignoring them and continuing with their plans. That`s why I like strikes and sabotage better.
It's a difficult question what's best. Sometimes I think the same, like give this society up and form alternative systems. Then I think well the demo's do create visibility among the normies, even if the MSM is downplaying. The question with strikes and sabotage is the same as with attacking police: who benefits from it? Minions fighting minions. Pawns fighting pawns. Klaus is grateful if we destroy our cities so he doesn't have to do it. So the protests won't change the course of their plans but sometimes, for example after I went to a huge one myself few months ago, I really feel that this unity is that incentive the movement needs at times to realize we're not alone.
 

Deusleveult

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Hate to be a naysayer, but protesting is worthless. I mean do it if you want to, but unless you take non-violent, non-compliant action all the protest in the world means nothing. It is like hoping Jeff Bezos goes bankrupt because you protested outside of his mansion while maintaining an Amazon prime subscription.

In fact I think the media glamorizes protest in order to get reactionaries thinking in a useless paradigm. They have lefties go protest something, and then a change that was going to happen anyway goes through, and so people gawk and say to themselves "Look, that is how things get done" when the outcome was already determined.

When conservatives protest two things (usually) happen.

1. Absolutely nothing. It is ignored by the media and policy makers. And why shouldn't it be? Your protest is basically saying "Hey do a complete 180 with your plans for world domination... pretty please :)". It's like going to a Mosque to "protest" Islam. They don't care that you dissent, your worldview is totally alien to them. Maybe you could debate or testify to an open-minded Muslim to change his mind, but more than likely he won't care. Contrariwise, imagine yourself, in the anti-killshot crowd. Would a bunch of nurses protesting outside your place of work make you want to get the killshot? Of course not.

2. Worst case scenario: False flag violence occurs, and people who could have otherwise been useful to the movement are jailed and the media gets to demonize the opposing party with a bit more legitimacy than usual.


I can see how people would see it as a morale-booster, and to some degree it may serve as that. But I think more people would take heart knowing that people are walking the walk in their every day life. Who cares if you go to some stupid parade if you are going to cave in and take the kill-shot anyway.

By all means peacefully protest if you think it is going to affect change, but I would always prioritize tangible lifestyle changes over this. Getting rid of social media, getting rid of the smartphone, dropping out of the corporate and tech sectors, unless you can legally "gum up the works" from within (but don't kid yourself if you actually can or can't), strengthening relationships with friends and family, working up toward buying a homestead, etc. etc.
You are absolutely right.
I come from a country that is known the world over for protesting and going on strikes for everything.
You guessed it, it's France.
And what have those protests achieved for the last 70 years? Absolutely nothing. We've lost on every front, be it economicaly, financially, politically, socially, etc, etc... to globalists.
And a lot of people just don't connect the dots and keep doing it thinking it will change something.
 
You guessed it, it's France.
And what have those protests achieved for the last 70 years? Absolutely nothing. We've lost on every front, be it economicaly, financially, politically, socially, etc, etc... to globalists.

Nonsense. Protests in France have frequently been successful. The primary aim of the yellow vest protests was to cancel a tax hike on fuel. It worked. Protests in the 60s got rid of de Gaulle. Farmer protests have frequently got the government to change policy.

This time the scale of the problem is greater, so protesting might need to take different forms.

The protests in the French islands of Guadeloupe and Martinique seem to be having some effect in rolling back the green pass.
 
Nonsense. Protests in France have frequently been successful. The primary aim of the yellow vest protests was to cancel a tax hike on fuel. It worked. Protests in the 60s got rid of de Gaulle. Farmer protests have frequently got the government to change policy.

This time the scale of the problem is greater, so protesting might need to take different forms.

The protests in the French islands of Guadeloupe and Martinique seem to be having some effect in rolling back the green pass.
Very well said. It's like we are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good here.

Get out there if you can, be heard, and NETWORK with your fellow resistors!

Why are people so defeatist? I'm not saying it doesn't look bleak, but don't say that your actions are hopeless. There are countless templates where protesting in different varieties works!
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
. There are countless templates where protesting in different varieties works!
If by "protesting" you mean participating in the System and trying to "reform" the System from witin -- and on It's terms -- then no.

(I mean, come on. After Trump's presidency, I don't know how anyone on the "dissident right" can still believe political action will fix anything).

And "protesting" in a way that is open rebellion against the System (violent or non-violent) will not "work" either.

Maybe "protesting" by removing onself completely from the System (as in moving to a remote area and farming the land, and not using lots of modern machinery).

But even that is becoming harder and harder to do, even if you know what you're doing.

The modern technological/industrial system cannot be "reformed" and "made good."

And it can't really be physically defeated (e.g. in a war) either, because the most advanced/systematized/industrialized nations will always have the most powerful weapons.

I do not understand all the love for America that conservatives have (and I'm not talking about the American people; I am talking about the American System). America was founded on principles that are basically the opposite of what is espoused on places such as this forum. And now, "American ideals" have spread all around the world through technology (computers).

I am
 

RedLagoon

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
The problem I see with peaceful protests is that if they are too frequent, you will have a "cry wolf" effect. Meaning that the elites will understand that there is no danger of it escalating, so they are safe in ignoring them and continuing with their plans. That`s why I like strikes and sabotage better.
Exactly.

It's a cry of total submission.

Just disobey already. Doctors, nurses, bus drivers, gardeners etc just dont listen to their nonsense.

Unfortunately we already have passed the threshold of that a long time ago here in Australia.
 
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