Austrian Election 2017

[Daddy Chains]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

But I see most of this as just whining about the result. That is ultimately what's most anti-democratic, as you have difficulty accepting the mandate as spoken by the voters.

Oh yeah? And who the fuck did put those voters there in the first place?

Did the Matthias and Lucas woke up one day and suddenly decided to import third world garbage in their pristine, highly efficient society?? Or were they mandated, by hook or by crook, to follow the postmodern project in place since the 1960s.

It is estimated that at least 10% of Austrian population is foreign-born. And out of those significant percentage are of non-European/non-EU origin, who immigrated in the last 30 years. Hence, will the Turks and Albanians and others vote for a right wing candidate? They might in their own country, but will never do so in Austria because that will be going against their own (racial/ethnic/cultural) interests.

So, it is the immigrant vote that made the difference... which is exactly why they are there in the first place. To fuck things up on behalf of global elites.

 

[Stadtaffe]

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I'm really unhappy to hear about this, also as that Hofer sounded really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Hofer If you lose at say tennis by just 1 point against someone, you can't be too upset or think you're too different in skill level. Sure it's not the same but the hardliners are seriously in the running. Man, it's upsetting, the place is filling up with muslims who will be voting left.. Anyway it will lead to war, the public will realize the dirty plan going on and discontent will boil over.

 

[American Rampage]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

This is probably a blessing in disguise. Losing in such a trivial way will only motivate the nationalists more.

Sounds about right. The President of Austria has a mostly ceremonial role, like the President of Germany. Not a big loss.

The Freedom Party remains the leader in the polls for the next Austrian legislative election, to be held in or before 2018.

 

[PowerGame]

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Well I would call myself someone who stands behind original democracy.

Like in ancient Athen: no voting for slaves, women, "inner country foreigners" or foreigners. So only men of the own tribe are able to vote who live close by. And the most power in the hands of old families that have proven to do everything for their polis in war, making money or gaining influence in their home. But of course I prefer it after solons or other reformations. Or the law that forces you to decide for one side in a bigger city dispute.

And it's possible to find the point where the democracy of Athen initiated the self destruction. But historical circles will never stop.

I also read somewhere : if you annoyed too many people they just kicked you out for 10 years. Each year a voting took place. It didn't matter how rich or mighty you were, you manipulate and work against the city.. If people find out you get exiled.

And I stay behind the thesis in this thread that hydrogonian stated a lot more eloquently than me. That's beautiful to read.

They got new voters in. Who should never have been allowed to vote.

And the statistic discrepancy and timing of the counting is in my opinion enough to call fraud,like the fact that every media source says between 600.000 and 900.000 postal votes, well that's a huge amount for 30.000 votes that made the decision.

And let's not forget, if Hofer won I'd call it undemocratic, too. But if you count who has the most amount of direct supporters Hofer would be the most Democratic choice.

And the EU itself is totally undemocratic . they can over rule every national law or decision, sure there is veto power. Well use it and see what your secret society friends will do to your career.

And to a certain degree everyone should agree that it's also undemocratic to be over ruled by the city of Wien if you live elsewhere.

I won't adress the whining statements or similar ones. That's just personal conclusion.

Normally things only change by violent takeover not by vote. And too many original citizens of Europe still think that demonstrations or petitions do something. Because they are not violent.

 

[Glaucon]

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I got very salty after the results. Then I checked the Green party's program and got even saltier.

I love Austria, don't destroy it for the love of God.

 

[Parzival]

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Its fascination how the media and the Elite politicians are so clear and united in their opinions. I just remember 2000 when Austria die elect Haider, the EU even tried to put sanctions against Austria. What a joke. When the election was fair an the other candidate even won just by one single vote difference, its how it is. You also can't claim victory in sports just because you are 1 second behind. What this show, that 50 % of the people in Austria did support Hofer and among the other 50 % they did not all support Van der Bellen just had be against Hofer.
The downfall of the establishment isn't stopped. The whole refugee situation is not the reason for the crisis, just some gasoline that light the fire faster.

A few days there was a talkshow in Germany about the downfall of the establishment political parties in Germany. The articles had be very critical about the empty phrases of the mainstream politicians and one political observer said, it can't be that 80 % of Germans worry about the refugee situation but 100 % of the parliament have no worries about whats going on.

 

[Glaucon]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

Its fascination how the media and the Elite politicians are so clear and united in their opinions.

The current elite and media is very happy with the current status quo, they will fight tooth and nail for it. This will be ugly.

 

[Stadtaffe]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

You know, I am starting to believe there is some truth in the idea that women are influencing politics in a negative way. Have been quite sceptical that this could be the case but have a look at the chart :

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/05/the-demographics-of-the-austrian-presidential-election/

..it is absolutely incredible how many more females are supporting green who is in his seventies and men are supporting our man, who is in his mid-forties. It's a sorry situation.

 

[RaccoonFace]

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[Glaucon]

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^^ how to kill your own culture in 3 easy steps:

Step 1: Give women the vote
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

 

[PowerGame]

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http://m.focus.de/politik/videos/re...beteiligung-von-146-9-prozent_id_5560818.html

A city called Waidhofen had an election participation of 146.9%

At least more than 3500 false votes alone in this city.

They will take until the first June to send the right numbers..

The media site uses the word conspiracy theory in context to Hofers party which senses deception.

And there is a highly suspicious number of invalid postal votes.. They are hand written and the election officials (often from establishment parties) can decide whether they are valid or not..

 

[Khan]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

You know, I am starting to believe there is some truth in the idea that women are influencing politics in a negative way. Have been quite sceptical that this could be the case but have a look at the chart :

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/05/the-demographics-of-the-austrian-presidential-election/

..it is absolutely incredible how many more females are supporting green who is in his seventies and men are supporting our man, who is in his mid-forties. It's a sorry situation.

It's the truth. Unmarried women always vote more liberal and married women always vote more conservative.

I remember Ann Coulter claiming on several occasions that, if only men had the right to vote, every post-WWII US Presidential election (with the exception of 1964) would have resulted in a Republican victory.

 

[They Call Me Mister Tony]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

http://m.focus.de/politik/videos/re...beteiligung-von-146-9-prozent_id_5560818.html

A city called Waidhofen had an election participation of 146.9%

At least more than 3500 false votes alone in this city.

They will take until the first June to send the right numbers..

The media site uses the word conspiracy theory in context to Hofers party which senses deception.

And there is a highly suspicious number of invalid postal votes.. They are hand written and the election officials (often from establishment parties) can decide whether they are valid or not..

If those false votes don't count, would a recount take place? I would hope that the officials decided that they were marked invalid.

 

[PowerGame]

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They recount them but only for Waidhofen as I read.

Another source :
https://www.unzensuriert.at/content...ise-auf-Wahl-Manipulationen-zugunsten-Van-der

It claims : a so called flying commission has 600% election participation (quick Google search says: sondersprengel in Linz)

78% more invalid votes than before when there were 5 candidates instead of 2.
92.655 to 165.212 which makes a difference of 72.557

Hofer needed about 31.026 votes to win with the actual results after the postal counting (even if the votes were already faked before the postal counts)

And : there were never so many postal voters before.. And they gave the win to the greens.
Statistics in Europe show that people who didn't vote before are activated by the right parties.. Why should there suddenly be, against the trend, a much higher activation by the greens... who were always weak against the real establishment and always cooperate with them.

746.110 postal votes 61.7% for van der Bellen who was behind 110.000 votes Sunday to win against Hofer.

BMI (state) and ORF(media) also had different results and news.

A krone.at online poll asked about manipulation and 70% of the readers believe it happened.

While the right party holds the door open to sue after this information ..
The media already celebrates a meeting between old and "new president" Bellen..

 

[PowerGame]

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http://mobil.krone.at/phone/kmm__1/app__CORE/sendung_id__96/story_id__511678/story.phtml

Shit storm on Facebook against Bellen.. He gets a special units team(Cobra) for his safety,because there are so many threats from people who believe in fraud.

Of course the source says the rights are bad loosers and other biased stuff.

 

[Parzival]

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About manipulation, there was the case with the AfD as well in the state elections of Bremen in 2015. Pupils did count the votes wrong. The "mistake" only did came into light, because the AfD did as questions because they did fail to get into the parliament by a few votes.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...en-falsch-nun-ein-Sitz-mehr-fuer-die-AfD.html

 

[Surreyman]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

http://mobil.krone.at/phone/kmm__1/app__CORE/sendung_id__96/story_id__511678/story.phtml

Shit storm on Facebook against Bellen.. He gets a special units team(Cobra) for his safety,because there are so many threats from people who believe in fraud.

Of course the source says the rights are bad loosers and other biased stuff.

This election is very disappointing. Do you think there is any likelihood of Austrians forming paramilitary groups? I'm imagining something akin to Northern Ireland in the 70s.

 

[aardwolf]

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Similar manipulations were happening in Polish local elections in 2014.
Agricultural "Polish People's Party" won unexpectedly large number of votes (over 20% while their typical support was rarely above 10%) and number of invalid votes was incredible (up to 17%).

As the result a social Movement for Control of the Elections was established and tens of thousands of volunteers were controlling 2015 Presidential and Parliamentary elections.

 

[EDantes]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

Raising voting ages to 25 across the Western nations might be a good idea; anything to prevent pampered university kids from voting until they've actually had some work experience.

 

[marty]

RE: Austria may elect Europe's only far-right president

On a different note, what's tougher to learn - Polish or Hungarian*? ;-)

*I'd vote Hungarian

Your question doesn't make sense. I don't want to offend you, it's a common misconception. There are no "easy" and "hard" languages. Every language is easy and hard at the same time.

There are certain aspects that make a language look easy or hard. What cause the biggest difficulties are the differences between one's native tongue (or other foreign languages one has already acquired) and the target language. So Spanish could be considered "easier" for a native English speaker than Japanese. But the same doesn't apply to a native speaker of Korean. Japanese would be "easier" for him than Spanish because the writing system and grammar are much closer to his native language than Spanish.

But other factors come into play, too. For certain English-speaking people Japanese would be "easier" to learn than Spanish, if he has no interest in said language but absolutely passionate about Japanese anime, manga, history or whatever. He would find it much easier to dedicate thousands of hours to master the language, although logic would dictate it should be harder for him than Spanish.

The other limiting belief I'd want people to get rid of is that a language is hard to learn. It isn't. There are certainly millions of people (in most cases) who had acquired it as either their mother tongue or as a foreign language. You can do it, too. All languages are constructed using the same elements, there is nothing inherently difficult about it. If you spend years learning a language and you can't speak it fluently (I could write a long article about what that really means) or read a book written for adults, you are doing something wrong and it's not the language's fault.

Now back to the original question, is Hungarian or Polish harder to learn? Let's assume it's an English-speaking individual we're talking about - they are basically the same. Both are quite different from English but still European languages with Latin alphabets, so you should find a lot of things that are similar to English. Pronunciation is really straightforward in both languages once you've learned the sounds and how the spelling works. You should rather concentrate on the easy aspects - every language has a ton of these and not on the difficulties, it will make your life much easier. Moreover there are a ton of native speakers of both languages who have learned English. Surely it can't be much harder the other way around.