Ayahuasca and the body

puckerman

Ostrich
Jordan Peterson likes ayahuasca:

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I flew out of Houston to Lima on Friday 19 May. I slept on a bench in the aiport, and my flight took off for Iquitos at 5am. I got there, and the owner of the Ayahuasca Foundation had hired a car to pick us up.

We were actually a day early, but I wanted to give Iquitos an extra day. This made it easier to adjust to the heat and humidity, which had worried me initially. I looked for a gym on Saturday and actually took a lot of time to walk around Iquitos.

We were checked into the Hotel La Casona for two nights. The foundation only paid for one night at the end and one at the beginning of the retreat. So, I ended up paying for one of the nights there.

Iquitos is very out of the way and totally out of the American orbit. A Western Union office was the only American business I saw. It truly seemed like a different world. It's also a city of half a million which is only accessible by air and water--no roads.

On Monday, we rode on a van for about an hour and then a boat for another. We walked about five minutes after disembarking and went to our rooms. It was Monday, and we had our first of six ceremonies.

Ayahuasca ceremonies were on alternate nights--Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday. During the day we had other activities and quite a bit of free time. We had three meals a day, adhering to a jungle diet. It was mostly fruits with rice, quinoa, fish, and some eggs.

We had some other rituals--two other purges, including chiric sanango. We were given drinks, one of which was a blood-brain medicine.

We also had vapor baths. The plants would be boiled in water, and then we would sit over the vapors for about ten minutes.

If you have done lots of ayahuasca or an ayahuasca virgin, a retreat will give you a great experience. You will get out there in the rain forest, and I was disconnected for eleven days. It's definitely a chance to connect with people from all over the world.

You may not need to go to the jungle to drink ayahuasca. You will find it an amazing experience either way probably. There are retreats elsewhere. Iquitos is the mecca though.
 

puckerman

Ostrich
I got a private message about my trip, so I figured I should share some of what I answered in the email. This is general observation:

Give yourself an extra night or two when you show up. I stayed at Hotel La Casona for about $30 per night. You will adjust to the weather.

Just wear your clothes for two days instead of one. You will take less stuff, and nobody will care if you are a little dirty.

Take a pair of shoes made for hiking. You will have an opportunity to go on jungle walks. At the Foundation, you will have an opportunity to fish--you don't need anything for that though. You can swim in the river, so take your swim suit. So, you will want two pairs of shoes.

I don't know what the policy is on skinny dipping. Of course, we were so far out that nobody would have called the cops on us.

Take a head lamp--with the red-light option. A small flashlight will help as well. Remember that it's 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night. It gets dark around 6pm.

You probably won't be able to have sex on your retreat. There is not much sound-proofing in the accomodatins.

I suppose people have had sex in the jungle, and it's certainly a possibility. Take a blanket or even a tarp if you plan on doing this. Plus, be prepared.

Respect the rain forest. Respect the animals, the plants, and the water. LEAVE NO TRACE.

If you have a lot of stuff, you may want to find storage. You won't need a lot of stuff in the rain forest. Here was my location:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/A...3f34e572f9471c!8m2!3d-3.8823449!4d-73.4904242
 
Something shifted, and the scene turned horrific. The moon was the sun, shrunken to a white dwarf, its life-sustaining heat and energy long since radiated away, barely illuminating the chill cinder of the earth. I was seeing the future, long after humanity, and all of life, has vanished from the earth. The flame of consciousness has flickered out in the eternally expanding cosmos, and it has reverted to dumb, blind, painless, meaningless matter, as it must.
 

BB1

Robin
I have just spent the last couple of weeks in Sydney, Australia.

Ayahuasca is extremely popular here, especially in the under 35 age group - men and girls.

Every weekend ceremonies are held at secret locations in the Mangrove Mountain area north of Sydney.

I know many RVF members have deep experience with Ayahuasca - are you expecting a change in global consciousnesses as more people have had this experience with breaks down our traditional cultural ways of perceiving what life is really about?
 

Biz

Kingfisher
Been thinking hard about talking a trip down to the jungle recently. I've been wanting to do it for years. Now especially I think it's been calling me. Shit hit the fan in my life recently and I've decided to pack up and bounce for awhile, maybe for good. I've been planning Southeast Asia but recently been thinking maybe it would be a good idea to start down in the jungle then head out East to reflect and get my shit worked out.

Recently my ego has been taken a huge hit and I'm starting to realize that my ego has likely been the main thing that's been holding me back for so long, in every facet in my life.

I think I need a reset, a swift kick in the ass.

Anyone have any recommendations?

I was thinking Arkana Spiritual Center (https://www.pulsetours.com/) it has the best ratings on Ayaadvisor.org. Pricing seems reasonable, maybe a little more than I want to spend but the lower price options seem to have a few negative ratings and I tend to look at negative ratings before positive because you never really know how many reviews can be fake.
 

Truth Tiger

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Good approach, Biz. I haven't done aya but have used cannabis and psilocybin in shamanic journey work. I would be careful going too far from the beaten path in terms of jungle / remote operations. Some people that know people can get you a hookup in most western countries. I feel psilocybin is a good way to start as you can control dosage and start with a lighter trip.

Yes, from my understanding they are similar but have distinct differences - although DMT can really take you into 'machine elf-land' and ayahuasca is often a more symbolic, earth-review process. Check out Terence McKennas YT vids on the subject.
 
DMT is basically going 0 to a 1000 in a second and it blasts you apart and you are "there." Ayahuasca feels more holistic, organic, and if I could say, a lot more pleasant. You need at least a third of a day for ayahuasca, a special diet, but for a quick trip, I feel as if the DMT clears out my chakras and I'm ready to dominate. Both are great for raising one's vibration and stepping outside of this dimension.
 

puckerman

Ostrich
Facebook censored the page of the Ayahuasca Foundation back in May. They are also apparently shadow-banning the page for kahpi.net--which is a big site for ayahuasca.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Ayahuasca is to the millennials what LSD was to the Boomers, a drug and a cultural movement designed to dumb them down, keep them docile and destroy their lives, taking them away from building up their families and careers, and substituting a manufactured pagan jungle cult for their true religion.

It's sad to see so many guys ensnared into this latest iteration of heavy drug culture, which has been around for 60 years. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.
 

Latan

Pelican
^Don't take it personnaly friend, I just want ot get this out of my chest.


This kind of post clearly shows my vision of the left / right basic ideology.
Both are stuck with preconceived ideas, without Any Direct Knowledge of what they are talking about.
They are just repeating what the propaganda (TV, parents, friends, books) told them.

Thinking that Ayahuasca dumbs you down, while it has the potential to open your mind to infinite possibilities, shows me the mental limit of the general population.
I could say "try it for yourself", but most people wouldn't have the ability to gain anything from this experience, as they'd just reject the knowledge offered to them.


In a way, you're totally right : most people couldn't, for the life of them, gain anything from Ayahuasca.
Their mind are not ready for such an eye opening experience.
They would just reject it, and in some scenarios, even end up worse than they got there.

By this logic, I'm wrong : Ayahuasca can't heal most people, Ayahuasca can't make most people grow.
As it's impossible to learn, when you refuse to...which is the case of most people.



I wouldn't have said "stupid people", but rather "close minded people".
I'll refrain from posting in this thread in the future, it's pointless, I'll only create non productive animosity.
 

Marmite

Kingfisher
Gold Member
911 said:
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. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.
Do you have a source for this? From the reading I've done around MK Ultra, and related experiments, the release of LSD to the general populace seems to have been accidental, rather than deliberate.
 
That's all fine and dandy, but it makes me wonder - if this substance is so amazing, its effects so enlightening and unique, why the people who knew about it and mastered its use are so... insignificant? Europe has no shortage of people of great magnitude, be it in physical, mental or cultural aspect, and they have achieved it by their own merit, without drinking magic potions and participating in ceremonies held by shamans believing in ghosts and negative energy. On the other hand, the shamans themselves aren't known for being great scientists, inventors, builders or warriors - their ancestors got humiliated by a handful of daring Europeans, and now all they have left is to peddle their rituals to foreigners.

Not claiming, of course, that the whole thing is stupid, and I'm very far from the cult of scientism - but some people just take it too far. I'm interested in the subject, and given the opportunity (and given it's an affordable one) I would try it, preferably in the comfort of my own company without the New Age-esque atmosphere of neo-shamanism of a culture I have absolutely nothing in common. Do I believe, though, that it's some kind of magic potion, eye-opening sorcery and groundbreaking enlightenment? Not at all. Greater men than all of us here have more than made it without them. If I'm wrong here, I stand only to gain.

The argument of "close-mindedness" is an argument often invoked if there's nothing factual that can be brought up to criticize. 911 said nothing that's de facto incorrect (at least as far as I know, drug culture was never anything to be proud of), and his strong opinions are probably coming from experience. Imbibing chemicals, whatever they might be, always have side effects; even if they can't be measured as directly negative or detrimental to health, they might prove to cause harm in the long run. Especially when you're never sure what you're really taking.

"Animosity" is never unproductive; if people didn't challenge each other's ideas we would never get anywhere. Can't understand why you cannot stand the thought of someone criticizing your points.
 
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Sherman

Ostrich
d said:
Greater men than all of us here have more than made it without them. If I'm wrong here, I stand only to gain.

Mind altering substances seem to have been an important part of Western Civilization. Some scholars believe that psychedelic agents were used in the Eleusinian Mysteries. That would mean that Augustus Caesar as well as many other important emperors, generals, and statesmen took these mind altering drugs. The Oracle of Delphi was sniffing some unknown gas. Then there is the Bacchus cult. The ancients believed that when you drunk wine you were actually possessed by a god. There is holy communion. Saint Augustine is the patron saint of brewers.
 
I met a chick who was in to Ayahuasca and nude yoga based on Ayahuasca. Was great would repeat in a former life, but of course I am more in to serious relationships now and don't think nude pretzels on Ayahuasca are the ingredients for a successful long-term relationship
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Marmite said:
911 said:
...
. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.
Do you have a source for this? From the reading I've done around MK Ultra, and related experiments, the release of LSD to the general populace seems to have been accidental, rather than deliberate.
Thanks for asking Marmite. It sounds like the reading you've done was from mainstream sources. I've done well over 100 hours research on this subject, here are some good starting points:

-Research by Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill. I think both of them started out as Boomer/older Xers people into hallucinogenic drugs and have seen the light through their research and interactions with some of the key players in the "psychedelic drugs" community, deep state spooks like Tim O'Leary or the McKenna brothers who were posing as modern revolutionaries fighting "the man". These drugs were originally referred to as psychotomimetic, meaning drugs that generate/mimic psychosis, came to be marketed to the masses as "psychedelic", the hippie-era branding of dangerous drugs as "mind-expanding", cool and spiritual rather than psychotic.

Very good list of essays on the subject:

https://logosmedia.com/Entheogens_WhatsinaName_PsychedelicSpirituality_SocialControl_CIA

This essay in on the Grateful Dead, which single-handedly spurred and maintained LSD culture in the US, distributing millions of doses without significant criminal repercussions:

https://logosmedia.com/2013/05/manu...cial-engineering-by-joe-atwill-and-jan-irvin/

The whole series of articles in those links is very good. Caveat about Jan Irvin: he is an unstable dude that has made a sharp ideological u-turn earlier this year, selling out completely to zionists. But much of his older research is excellent.

Dave McGowan
has uncovered the ties between the trend-setting musical acts of the 1960s with the deep state, published his research in his book "Weird Scenes inside the Canyon", about the Laurel Canyon, which was the epicenter of 1960s American psychedelic culture.



Jay Dyer on the counterculture's deep state/controlled opposition roots

Good series of videos on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ0S88eyUTlb6UVPcegGXptSMl69ea1D6
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Latan said:
^Don't take it personnaly friend, I just want ot get this out of my chest.


This kind of post clearly shows my vision of the left / right basic ideology.
Both are stuck with preconceived ideas, without Any Direct Knowledge of what they are talking about.
They are just repeating what the propaganda (TV, parents, friends, books) told them.

Thinking that Ayahuasca dumbs you down, while it has the potential to open your mind to infinite possibilities, shows me the mental limit of the general population.
I could say "try it for yourself", but most people wouldn't have the ability to gain anything from this experience, as they'd just reject the knowledge offered to them.

In a way, you're totally right : most people couldn't, for the life of them, gain anything from Ayahuasca.
Their mind are not ready for such an eye opening experience.
They would just reject it, and in some scenarios, even end up worse than they got there.

By this logic, I'm wrong : Ayahuasca can't heal most people, Ayahuasca can't make most people grow. As it's impossible to learn, when you refuse to...which is the case of most people.



I wouldn't have said "stupid people", but rather "close minded people".
I'll refrain from posting in this thread in the future, it's pointless, I'll only create non productive animosity.

No animosity here, this is a very useful debate, which I will have no trouble keeping on a rational plane, with the goal of alerting duped younger men that there is a very dark social engineering agenda that is at the root of this latest incarnation of "psychedelic" drug culture. This is very similar to the previous waves of drug cultures, starting with the LSD/shroom devastation that created the dumbing down and social control of the Boomer generation, perhaps the most successful social engineering project of all time.

Arguing with you here is exactly the same level of debate I've had with feminists fighting The Man who are deeply convinced that their dogma is a liberating one, as opposed to a mind control social engineering project, or with Global Warming idiots who believe they are saving the world instead of being useful idiots for the oligarchs who are enslaving them with taxes and a new control grid on all economic activities.

It's very hard for people who are ensnared into this seemingly liberating mind control grid to rise above their indoctrination, I don't expect you to absorb my arguments without a lot of resistance.

Your idols like McKenna have deep state ties. The pattern of their preaching is to use thirld world pseud-religions and pseudo-cultures as a cure against the "modern ills" of western traditional society, when in fact western traditional society is the right path that they seek to destroy. This is similar to Margaret Mead's weaponization of fake "blue lagoon" polynesian open sexual mores (a fabrication) in order to advance the sexual revolution through academia. Mead was extremely successful at this, her work and that of her Jewish mentor Franz Boaz becoming the base for modern anthropology.

The pattern of brainwashing here is the same: ditch you Christian religion, your true tribal European links and your pursuit of a strong family life, for yogaish hippie eastern religions and jungle cults in order to reach nirvana, basic navel-gazing and hallucinatory stages that effectively dumb you down and keep you as an atomized, harmless rootless consumer mental serf. The "shamen" (a made-up word) is the new spiritual guide replacing your grandparents' congregation, and your tribe is the guys in the cubicle and other burners into "spiritual retreats".

This is actually the same pattern advocated by Jordan Peterson, who is incidentally now occupying the Timothy Leary Chair at Harvard, perhaps THE major drug "counterculture" pusher in American history. Take your pills, wash your penis and read Carl Jung but have no family, no national identity and no real traditional Christianity (get into fuzzy gnostic shit instead, and do indulge in big pharma drugs and "mind-expanding" DMT-ayahuasca crap).

This new drug culture pushes the same values and shares the same patterns with feminism and the emerging cult of Gaia: don't start families, don't have children, reject your national/tribal roots, worship planet earth, hate western culture, men, traditional culture, humanity, don't believe in borders, and so forth.
 
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