Bankers Rule The World

[Pray_Everyday]

I WILL SAY, based on the quoted text, that it sounds to me as though you contracted the services of someone who would have likelier been considered the village WITCH rather than the village midwife (in predominantly Christian communities, these would have often been nuns, and women under their tutelage/standards).

And since the system whereby people are able to essentially BUY the credentials which allow them legally to sell such services to anyone and everyone (no matter how unknown they are to a particular person or community) is the foundation for this experience you had, I don't see how arguing that the same system could prevent this or make it better makes sense.

That would only be the case if this system were geared toward wellness and correct order, and not toward maximum profits for everyone who gets a cut. (Which is the "banker" tie-in that IMO makes this not totally a thread-jack even though we're off in the margins a bit.)

I agree, closer to a witch than what the Bible would have referred to as a midwife. However, here lies the problem:

-we, unfortunately, do not live in predominantly Christian societies. When hiring this woman I was aware she was not a Christian. My mistake was thinking "secular" means "secular" instead of "pagan undertones". Lesson learned. Now I'm apprehensive of seeking help from any alternative medicine providers, since now I wonder if "holistic" (as this midwitch described herself) really means "pagan".

- in all the research I had done prior to hiring, nowhere did the internet even say that it was even a thing. I must have read dozens of articles and they talked about the safety risks, but nowhere was this sex aspect mentioned as an almost requirement. It's hard to be on the lookout for something when we don't know there is something to beware of, and all I ever heard from Christians was positive things.

As for a tie-in to the original banker topic, I do believe there is some serious money going towards this. As I mentioned a few posts ago, in recent times states have been making it easier for unqualified individuals to offer midwife services. If the bankers wanted to shut down any alternatives to the medical industrial complex they would Shut It Down with the full power of the State. The fact that they have not, and if anything have made it easier for it to exist - while these midwives claim persecution - can only mean that they want it to exist as the flipside of the coin.

What they DO NOT want is to overhaul the medical system. They are perfectly fine with a "controlled opposition" parallel system existing. Make the peons think they have options (even though both suck) and all...

(Speculation, of course. Unlike the statistics I posted.)

 

[Pray_Everyday]

Delete, comment posted twice, sorry.

 

[sophistic-ated]

I'm sick of hearing this. Women initiate something like 70-80% of divorces. Roosh is right, the main obstacle to family creation is women's education, employment, and birth control. Not porn, video games, feminization or any other issue plaguing men. What do you want men to step up to?

As a 26 year old man there are essentially 0 single women at the ROCOR church I attend and it was similar in other parishes I went to. My woman peers are all focused on getting careers and prostituting themselves at the bars every friday night. Should I wait 10 years as I increase my faith, practice chastity, have a successful career and then wife up a used up, secular 36 year old woman with limited fertility, but who may be suddenly interested in Orthodoxy as she hears the clock ticking? And even then there's a high likelihood she divorces me and takes half my stuff, not to mention the liability I am putting myself under in terms of false accusations if she is ever dissatisfied as she can call to the full power of the law to punish me.

Women are not pushed into a corner where they only have been with terrible guys and so they're waiting to be this virgin traditional housewife but are taking a career in the meantime since there's no prince charming. Chances are that you find a career woman like that, you can find countless guys in her 20's that she rejected in order to have fun that would have made great fathers and husbands. Now, they may not all be 6 foot 5 six figure earner chads with 10k instragram followers, so with the beauty in her 20's she will hold out for better until it is too late. Just look at all of these men on this forum who are great quality men that I would be happy to wed my future daughter to, and who cannot find anyone. Now there are of course secular men who aren't good quality as well, but that is insignificant when there is such a greater number of red-pilled guys who would like nothing more than to start a traditional family. What's stopping this is not men, it is women getting careers and empowered by acting like men (education/employment), and carousel riding their most fertile years (birth control).

The fact is men have no power. We cannot force any change and women have full equal rights. We cannot lead what does not want to be led.

Not all women are whoring around. Most are not doing anything outside of their phone screen. I meet under 30 marriage material on the regular outside of my church.

I really doubt you have scouted as much as you say you have unless you live in a small town somewhere. The fact that most guys that complain about meeting women talk as if they went to 3 or 4 places with binoculars then gave up leads me to believe none has a normal social life. Make friends with people that are not similar to you and you will soon be meeting girls that are hiding away in their houses or that you would have otherwise never met. Start with boomers. most of them reproduced.

The answer to your question about what you should do between now and 36 is yes, you should spend the next decade becoming the best you can be in every category and making lots of friends from different backgrounds. Really though why should you spend your time doing anything else?

 

[messaggera]

I agree, closer to a witch than what the Bible would have referred to as a midwife. However, here lies the problem:

-we, unfortunately, do not live in predominantly Christian societies. When hiring this woman I was aware she was not a Christian. My mistake was thinking "secular" means "secular" instead of "pagan undertones". Lesson learned. Now I'm apprehensive of seeking help from any alternative medicine providers, since now I wonder if "holistic" (as this midwitch described herself) really means "pagan".

Did this "midwife" also suggest encapsulating the placenta to ingest? Is that cannibalism or holistic?
Deuteronomy 28:56 - 57 Acts 15:28 - 29. Romans 2:15

 

[Optimus Princeps]

I meet under 30 marriage material on the regular outside of my church.

You sound like a lucky guy then.

 

[Pray_Everyday]

Did this "midwife" also suggest encapsulating the placenta to ingest? Is that cannibalism or holistic?
Deuteronomy 28:56 - 57 Acts 15:28 - 29. Romans 2:15

Definitely cannibalism.

She did suggest this (though convenientely not until after the fee was paid). It gets worse. She said that she was going to take a piece of raw placenta and throw it in the blender with my smoothie and force me to drink it. And she was not taking no for an answer!

I find it odd that women often mention how the hospitals are pushy and force interventions yet turn a blind eye to being pressured to engage in questionable things by these "midwives". And if the client tries to ask questions regarding methods at the very beginning the only answer given is a vague 'we have our ways'. It's almost as if they know that a certain percentage of women just might find these things objectionable if presented outright.

But like I said earlier, by now I don't even know if the word "holistic" has evolved to mean "pagan". Perhaps only in a Christian society could something holistic actually be of God.

 

[PineTreeFarmer]

Men aren't going to fulfill their role until women are removed from male spaces, and their tentacles on every aspect of society, removed.

This certainly doesn't bode well for society.

 

[Blade Runner]

Make friends with people that are not similar to you and you will soon be meeting girls that are hiding away in their houses or that you would have otherwise never met.

Because others introduce them to you?

Start with boomers. most of them reproduced.

They married in their early to mid 20s, precisely the point we are making here.

 

[Blade Runner]

Hard times will create strong Men and strong Families. Have faith.

A lot of people don't complete the thought here. The strong men are present in a situation in which women are dependent on men, and thus have relatively no options. Ironically (and we've done the experiment) this creates greater happiness for them (not all, but most). No one is told this because of lies, propaganda, and the general ideas of egalitarianism that people have swallowed hook, line and sinker - that tried to make women just weaker versions of men. Thus weakening men (but notice this only comes with greater safety and increased numbers of men).

 

[ItalianStallion9]

It's amazing what humans will do for money, which is nothing but Fed Re$erve notes. They will lie for it, steal for it, and often even kill for it.

Humans work 40 hours a week, sitting in traffic, just to get some of these notes. The stock market, bond rates...all part of the carousal. All we need to survive is food, water, shelter, clothing. Stop leasing new cars, stop buying overpriced food.

Mark 8:36 - For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?

 

[josemiguel]

That's actually a good idea. I am going to wait a bit because I just became a catechumen but after I've been there longer I will definitely do this.

ROCOR clergy still assist with helping single Orthodox parishioners meet. I know several such couples, they tend to have much better than average marriages.

It's why I'm not worried for my sons to find wives.

just imagine if a hair salon was full of men doing hair instead of women and how awkward that would look

The women in my family pay top dollar to not have a woman be their hair-dresser. Though American women accuse them of being sexist my mother, aunts, and grandmothers always preferred men because men are far more competent.

Who rolled out all of the regulations, educational and licensing requirements

A fellow monarchist! Such totalitarian bureaucratic regulations are the natural result of denocracies and republics.

the only reason why more babies and mothers have died in the hospital is because something like 99% of American women give birth at a hospital.

Europe, which has a larger population, says otherwise.

But at least an obgyn will never suggest that my husband and I engage in degenerate sex acts in order to induce labor and then attack our relationship because we won't.

As others have said before, don't hire a witch, hire a midwife. By definition Secular means AntiChrist.

I know plenty of Midwives who've delivered hundreds of babies, one over a thousand with fantastic track records that beat the American allopathic system. Licensing does nothing to improve safety, it only enables monopolistic practice at the public's expense.

Honestly your husband should have fired her the first time she was being manipulative. And smacked her.

If the bankers wanted to shut down any alternatives to the medical industrial complex they would Shut It Down with the full power of the State. The fact that they have not, and if anything have made it easier for it

Like gymnasiums and weightlifting?

I meet under 30 marriage material on the regular outside of my church.

Outside of Church? You are either not in America, or have abysmally low standards. I didn't meet marriage material women on the regular in America until entering into Orthodoxy and joining a ROCOR parish.

now I don't even know if the word "holistic" has evolved to mean "pagan".

Holistic simply means the whole system, instead of the hyper specialization of allopathic medicine.

What you're seeing is demons trying to hide among the real deal. Discernment is a must.

 

[NoMoreTO]

In the 2010s, I was in my 30s and my career in the corporate world as a contractor hit it's stride for an entire decade. Contractor Rates were high, projects were steady, I worked alot especially in 2010-17. I ended up owning 2 rental properties and squirrelled away my savings into stocks and ETFs. Things have since slowed, I make less than I did 10 years ago per hour, and have less work. I'm still doing well enough, just not as well as those 5 years.

Around 2018-19 I found myself resenting corporations more and more. Corporations where I worked transformed into ever more political correctness, starting with diversity and ending up with rainbow flags draping the office in 2020. This is all par for the course these days plus covid and ukraine virtue signaling. I lived in Toronto which offered me many things, and I was happy for a while but over time I realized it was more and more difficult to find the good things - family, a good woman, a sense of value in my work. Corporations work against everything that is good in society.

The spiritual problems of our society, and the insanity of it all in those times got me to thinking:
(1) I was funding the very people who hated me, or were against the very basic things which I treasured. (2) More importantly, my investments in these companies actually destroyed my own financial agency in the world. This disturbed me, despite having acquired my little bit of worldly financial, I actually was just pumping it back into the machine so to speak. We give up some part of our agency when we invest back into the systme.

I decided that it was better to use these savings myself to invest privately in real things. Prior to Rona, I bought an old beat up farm. I bought a tractor. I bought other ag equipment, tools. I hired a farmer to help me put in and take off my first crop. I hired my neighbour who has an excavator and a dozer to for land improvements. I started paying my nephews to do work for me on the farm. I pay alot of people, who do good work and it's a good thing. I do still try to make some money myself when it's all said in done. The most rewarding part is being out there, learning new things with people and trying to make things happen. It's way better than stonks.

This new way feels much better, but it does complicates your life. You have to deal honestly with people, sometimes they are a little greedy, sometimes you wonder if you are. Nothing is really cheap, disagreements can occur. So far it's gone pretty decently overall for me. It's hard to beat the bankers, but managing your money directly in a business is a good muscle to use. It's easy to just live in an apartment and squirrel away ZOG bucks.

I know my situation is different than others, I've been lucky enough in the financial part of life so far by hard work, and being in the right place at the right time working ZOG contracts. I don't begrudge people at all who put their savings into stocks but I think that when you reach a certain point it's good to consider whether you are giving up your agency. Maybe if you pulled that money out you could put it to use, help give good people work, and do a job that is a little more satisfying. Like the man who buried the talents instead of getting out there and trying to do something with them, I think that buying a stonk is basically burying the talents.

His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. - Matthew 25

I do have more debt unfortunately, that is one negative thing that has happened as a result of all this.

 

[Akaky Akakievitch]

Does anyone here have an informed opinion on Islamic Banking (moreso in the UK, or elsewhere)? I was considering alternative bank accounts recently, and came across this option:

Islamic banks and by extension, Islamic bank accounts, follow the rules and laws of Islam, or Sharia law, and are guided by Islamic economics. Islamic rules forbid earning interest from savings and charging interest on loans and mortgages. Under Islam, being in debt is not encouraged. In the UK, Islamic banking is typically only offered by Islamic banks, but accounts are available to everyone, even those who don’t practise Islam.

Instead of offering interest rates, Islamic savings accounts offer an expected profit rate. Rather than seeing an interest rate listed against an account, Islamic savings accounts list how much profit you can earn from your deposits through the expected profit rate.

While it’s theoretically possible that the predicted profit rate may not be met and so you may earn nothing on your savings, you would be hard-pressed to find an instance of this happening with a UK deposit-protected Islamic savings account. Additionally, the money you deposit in Islamic savings accounts in the UK is backed by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) up to £85,000 per person, per banking group.

Money deposited into Islamic savings accounts is invested in companies that comply with Sharia law, rather than being loaned to them. This rules out companies that produce weapons, tobacco and alcohol, as well as gambling companies. (source)

Surely, opening a bank account with one of our Islamic cousins who retain the biblical ban on Usury is better than staying under the yoke of the satanic fools who sit in their ivory towers at the international banks raking in all the interest. They seem to be the only ethical banking option remaining, and it is something Christian's should learn a lesson or two from. Where are the trad Christian banking institutions with a ban on Usury? I wonder if there is any history of Christian banking institutions in the pre-usury days.

I'm considering moving my money over to an Islamic bank, as I live in Birmingham which has a large Islamic population, notably in Small Heath (where the Peaky Blinders used to live... before mass immigration) and was wondering if anyone has experience with them or information that can be of use. I'm not sure how receptive they'll be, despite it being open to everyone.

 

[Eusebius Erasmus]

Does anyone here have an informed opinion on Islamic Banking (moreso in the UK, or elsewhere)? I was considering alternative bank accounts recently, and came across this option:





Surely, opening a bank account with one of our Islamic cousins who retain the biblical ban on Usury is better than staying under the yoke of the satanic fools who sit in their ivory towers at the international banks raking in all the interest. They seem to be the only ethical banking option remaining, and it is something Christian's should learn a lesson or two from. Where are the trad Christian banking institutions with a ban on Usury? I wonder if there is any history of Christian banking institutions in the pre-usury days.

I'm considering moving my money over to an Islamic bank, as I live in Birmingham which has a large Islamic population, notably in Small Heath (where the Peaky Blinders used to live... before mass immigration) and was wondering if anyone has experience with them or information that can be of use. I'm not sure how receptive they'll be, despite it being open to everyone.

I have some knowledge of Islamic banking. DM me.

 

[Pantheon]

Ideally, monarchy and religion is the best bulwark against runaway banksterism. Russia is a theocratic monarchy disguised as a democracy. An existential conflict with the West was unavoidable. I always found it ironic that normies criticize capitalism and materialism so much despite holding all values that support it (individualism, hedonism, consumerism, atheism etc.). If you don't have a culture that is rooted in family and religion, how can you even avoid oligarchy? This is Plato's own teaching, after democracy comes oligarchy. Human societies degenerate from monarchies to godless oligarchies. It takes a lot of hubris to state that modern society is the pinnacle of human achievment. In some ways yes, in a fundamental sense no.

 

[Rob Banks]

Men (and women; I have been guilty of this in the past myself) who lay the blame for all or most of society's problems at the feet of women, seem to be ignorant of how many men ARE essentially women, even if they present themselves as male. Even if they exhibit superficial masculinity.

Both sexes have been equally subjugated, poisoned, inverted, and led astray by a common enemy. It is sad when either buys into that enemy's narrative, that any of this arose from a natural conflict between ourselves and our God-given counterparts.

Who decided women's work should be usurped by commercial industry in the first place? Who rolled out all of the regulations, educational and licensing requirements, etc. to force women to jump through ridiculous hoops, pay through the nose/go into debt in order to be "qualified" to "legally" offer services like hair/beauty/skincare, cooking/baking, healing/midwifery - to members of their community, in-home or by way of house-call?

Men in positions of power and influence who wanted to hold for ransom the ability to provide those services - and siphon value from the real, actual work done by other people, and become obscenely rich via "administration" and "regulation" of that contrived system - rather than do any real work themselves.

AKA basically women. But the real women subjugated or tempted into that system tend to receive most of the blame from men who have been disadvantaged by it (nevermind that the women participating in that system are ALSO disadvantaged by it), rather than the covert Satanist trannies who created and implemented it.

Real solutions to heal communities and bring men and women together in harmony instead of conflict, can only be found when enough people, men and women, realize that they suffer under the same oppression and are ready to stop pointing fingers at each other and start pointing the finger at Satan and his earthly minions.

It was literally Eve, a woman, who doomed all mankind. The same is still true today, there's nothing new under the sun, sweetheart.

What an evenly-matched debate we see here. Two great minds going at it.

I like the part where Zach refutes Kitty's arguments.

His theology is on-point too.

Genesis 6:66: "And the LORD said, Adam good. Eve bad."

Really proves his point here about men being superior to women. Dontcha guys think?



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Edit: Of course the "Bible quote" above is something I made up as a joke, and not a real Bible quote.

Ruins the joke a bit, but I thought I should clear that up so as to not risk confusing anyone.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

... I still think it is pertinent to rebut this commonly used line of a woman telling men that they just need to "man up" when in reality there nothing more than from the depths of our soul that a lot of us would love to do but just are not able to due to women refusing to take any kind of accountability or willingness to be led.

This.

It takes 2 to Tango. If we are to "man up" then we need the opposite sex to "woman up", which actually means "woman down": submit to the patriarchy, especially your husband.

As you pointed out, no details were given of the "wonderful" woman in her 30s whose husband walked out. Behind closed doors, how submissive was she? Given the pervasiveness of feminism in our society, I'd wager the answer to my question is "not very".

 

[PineTreeFarmer]

This.

It takes 2 to Tango. If we are to "man up" then we need the opposite sex to "woman up", which actually means "woman down": submit to the patriarchy, especially your husband.

As you pointed out, no details were given of the "wonderful" woman in her 30s whose husband walked out. Behind closed doors, how submissive was she? Given the pervasiveness of feminism in our society, I'd wager the answer to my question is "not very".

My husband moved out in our thirties, after we had two children. While he couldn't support our family on his earnings, he wouldn't allow me to go to work in a manner consistent with paying our bills, though, he claimed he wanted to. The conversation has to exist from the beginning. I hate how broken our society is, and I'm glad to have landed on my feet.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

I agree with some of what you said but not all. Women do not get multiple proposals in their 20s. That is just not true.

Because they filter out in advance, or ditch early in dating, the men who would propose. I know this from bitter experience, and the bitter experience of others. And no, I was not short, was not skinny, was not ugly in my 20s. Had good physique, sense of humor, and great career-type jobs too.

Women buy magazines with wedding photos from the time they are in their teens and they dream about their wedding day. Have you not seen the tv shows about buying a wedding dress and planning weddings? Men don't watch those shows.

No, we don't watch them. But we know who the women are dreaming about. It's the top 10%, the chads. Often, the models in those magazines. Hypergamy is implacable and cannot be allowed to run rampant. It must be counter-balanced by society.

Has it occurred to you to expand your thiking outside the West, the so-called first world, and ask what societies are having healthy rates of family formation and fertility? There is a reason feminists are all "reeeeee!!!" about Islamic nations where women are considered (by the West) as second-class citizens. But they have stable societies because they have stable family formation and young women are not left to work out family formation on their own, based on absurd BS fed to them by the magazines and TV shows you cite as your proof.

The very fact that you referenced these aspects of secular culture should actually be a red flag for you to rethink your entire stance on this topic. Appealing to the secular culture of the West on a Roosh forum is, at best, a bit tone-deaf.

 

[josemiguel]

I wonder if there is any history of Christian banking institutions in the pre-usury days.

In the West you have to look pre-Renaissance, in the Orthodox world, pre-USSR. The Ruble is now a non-usurious currency unlike the dollar, euro or pound, but non-usurious banking I don't know if that has made a comeback yet.