Basic Christianity Is Extreme To Those Without Faith

Roosh

Cardinal
Originally posted on RooshV.com


A common argument I see against me is that I’ve gone “too far” with my relatively new Christian faith. Instead of following the clear teachings of Jesus Christ, I should instead seek “balance” with the “middle path” where I only moderately sin to “enjoy” the pleasures of life since I’m a “biological” animal with “natural” sexual needs. Needless to say but this line of argument always comes from non-Christians who are so far away from God that witnessing just a little bit of faith causes them alarm.

Last year while visiting with my mother, I maintained a basic daily prayer rule. She does not pray as frequently as I do, so she was at first startled by my behavior, explaining that no one in her immediate family prays like that. No one in her family prays at all, so yes, I can understand how my minimum prayer rule is startling.

I attempt to attend the Divine Liturgy every Sunday unless I’m physically unable to do so. I’ve been told, “You know, you don’t have to go every week.” I know, but if my church has a service every week, it’s not just for their sake. Already, with just my daily prayer and weekly church attendance, I’m “very religious” to someone who lacks faith. Compared to the many holy men I’ve met across the country, however, I’m not even in the minor leagues of holiness.

To walk with Christ means to be concerned about your salvation. As Christians we are encouraged to sanctify our souls to prepare for the next life. This means turning away from all sin—fornication, lust, greed, pride, gluttony, and so on. I was addicted to fornication, and through God’s grace, I was able to stop it. Masturbation is never acceptable, since it’s a form of self-abuse, and I don’t intend to have sex again unless I get married. “You’ve gone off the deep end! You’ve gone from one extreme to the next!” To the faithless, chastity is extreme. To men of the world, following the basic commandments of Christianity is fanatical.



I follow only the absolute minimum of Christianity. I’m not going above and beyond and I’m not inventing my own rules. Praying daily, corporate worship (in church), and avoiding sin is Christianity 101, and for people to attack that shines a light on the darkness they allow to enter into their own lives. If someone thinks abstaining from fornication is extreme, we know what they treasure. If someone thinks taking twenty minutes out of the day to glorify God through prayer is too much, we know the sort of distractions and entertainments that occupy their mind. If someone thinks spending two hours with fellow Christians on Sunday is excessive, we know how actively their worship at the altar of sportsball, brunch, hangovers, and gossip.

As our creator, God knows what is best for us. Through scripture He wrote the instruction manual for our lives and enlightened some men to teach that scripture to us. The only rightful balance is striving with all our being to follow it. The men who tell me to seek balance, to avoid the “extreme” of Christianity think they are in balance, but through their separation from God, they are in communion with evil and are facing judgement.

It’s surely possible to go extreme as a Christian. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church attack everyone, even fellow Christians, through intense pride and anger. Other Christians distort the Gospel to state that God wants us to experience material blessings, and they end up worshiping mammon on a mad dash to becoming rich. Other Christians may call for violence against those who are not even obstructing their faith, and it’s not uncommon for someone to invent their own brand of Christianity by picking and choosing which rules they want to follow, but as an Armenian Orthodox Christian, I wish I was able to pray more. I wish that I lived near a monastery and could attend more than one service a week. I wish I had a spiritual father who could help guide me through rough spots in life. My prayer rule and church attendance amount to only 4% of my total time, yet to someone who devotes 0% of their time to Christ, my feeble 4% puts me on the same level as ISIS.

In the end, you’re either falling towards God or falling towards Satan. If you look at a man who is performing the absolute minimum as asked by his Creator and think he’s extreme, it would be worth examining yourself and the vices you hold tight. As the Western world descends into greater levels of chaos and evil, just a flash of faith will be shocking, a single prayer will be extreme. In such a world then maybe I really am an extremist.

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EndlessGravity

Kingfisher
Recent events have made this "extremism" more obvious, even among other Christians, imho.

I recently made a thread about what you can do to help strengthen your church and I had this problem in mind; the thread was also spurred on by your comment about how you felt churches really weren't and hadn't prepared their congregations for what's happening.

And it's because they want to compromise and already have to a great extent. A pastor recently told me once-monthly attendance is now widely seen as good attendance in churches. It's just a fact they accept. Once a month!

What community can you create with that?
 

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Why do normies react to even modestly-devout Christians like vampires to garlic? Perhaps it's because on a subconscious level, they feel guilty for their total neglect of God and spiritual things in favor of activities and patterns of life that revolve around banal and pointless pursuits.

In pursuing Christian practice, you're not just engaging in some subjective hobby, like fishing or gardening; you're reminding them, directly or indirectly, of the reality of sin, and death, and the need for redemption. And a lot of people would rather try to pretend none of those things exist because the implications cause extreme discomfort. Whether you know it or not, your faith is a vote of no-confidence in the naked emperor that is our modern world.
 

ball dont lie

Kingfisher
Gold Member
This is a really good post Roosh, thank you for writing it.

People spend huge amounts of their life just getting drunk. Yet saying I spend a 10 hours a week doing something and I am called a maniac.

Its the same with many activities that are good for us: 3 days a week at the gym? Thats 6-7 hours a week for me and enough to keep me in good shape. Its a minimal effort overall and like many I enjoy the time there, the pump, feeling my body doing hard work.

Reading is another effort that most people cant put in. Read an hour a day instead of watching TV, sports, Youtube, porn. Its not that hard, yet if you explain you try to read an hour everyday people think you are an extremist.
 

Salocin

Robin
It seems a sizable percentage, if not a majority of people in the U.S. in 2020 hate what is written in the Holy Bible.

No premarital sex?

Homosexuality is a sin?

A wife should submit to her husband?

If you mention those topics to people one should expect a very negative response from many people.

Some will even accuse you of being a hate-monger, and/or a misogynist.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
Why do normies react to even modestly-devout Christians like vampires to garlic?

John 3:19-20 ESV
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
 

JamalH

Pigeon
It seems a sizable percentage, if not a majority of people in the U.S. in 2020 hate what is written in the Holy Bible.

No premarital sex?

Homosexuality is a sin?

A wife should submit to her husband?

If you mention those topics to people one should expect a very negative response from many people.

Some will even accuse you of being a hate-monger, and/or a misogynist.
People hate hearing the truth. The Holy Bible is truth.
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
Recent events have made this "extremism" more obvious, even among other Christians, imho.

I recently made a thread about what you can do to help strengthen your church and I had this problem in mind; the thread was also spurred on by your comment about how you felt churches really weren't and hadn't prepared their congregations for what's happening.

And it's because they want to compromise and already have to a great extent. A pastor recently told me once-monthly attendance is now widely seen as good attendance in churches. It's just a fact they accept. Once a month!

What community can you create with that?

What you said about compromise seems the key here, modern life is all about excusing yourself to indulge in whatever you like or rationalize away bad behaviour. Being lazy or being addicted to pleasure. Christianity seems to me to be very clear about what is right and what is wrong. This offends most people because they feel it is a direct hit to their ego they know they are doing many things that are wrong but don't want to think about that only the pleasure or gain from this behaviour matters. There is no right and wrong its all relative now...As long as it feels good to you in the moment and you arent hurting anyone else ( that second point is most often a lie ) its okay.
 

McKinnsley

Sparrow
Thanks @Roosh - That was very balanced - I found myself asking if I could do just 1% more to bring my family closer to God, what form might that take?

You are planting the good sort of seeds with this what I hope will be a long running series of posts.
 
It just occurred to me that the few Christians remaining in the Soviet Union were all-in regarding the practice of their faith. Few parishes remained after the Revolution and the Stalin purges, and even after Patriarch Sergius cucked to Stalin and the brief wartime resurgence, culturally to be a visible Christian was to invite scorn and derision. If you were going to engage in such anti New Soviet Man activities, it made no sense to do it halfheartedly.

What we have right now in the Catholic Church is far more insidious than what happened in the Soviet era. Our so-called shepherds declared THEMSELVES non-essential before the secular authorities did and denied us the life sustaining Sacraments. It is no surprise that our "pope" went along with this because he basically knelt and kissed the foot of the New World Order, effectively declaring the Catholic Church one equally valid (read: equally false) option out of many in his Abu Dhabi statement.
 
What you said about compromise seems the key here, modern life is all about excusing yourself to indulge in whatever you like or rationalize away bad behaviour. Being lazy or being addicted to pleasure. Christianity seems to me to be very clear about what is right and what is wrong. This offends most people because they feel it is a direct hit to their ego they know they are doing many things that are wrong but don't want to think about that only the pleasure or gain from this behaviour matters. There is no right and wrong its all relative now...As long as it feels good to you in the moment and you arent hurting anyone else ( that second point is most often a lie ) its okay.
Ephesians 2:1-3
1 Peter 4:3-5

... puts me on the same level as ISIS.
That is the most frightening aspect of all this nonsense.

The irony is that the leftist, anti-Christian SJW crowd not only sympathize with "ISIS", but some openly admire them.

Our Satanic enemies are mentally deranged.
 
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A few years ago I read a book about modern Christian life - a Christian woman who lived in San Fran said she had affairs even though she didn't because she felt out of place with her friends.

You can blaspheme Jesus all day- its a regular expletive in our culture. But mention his name positively and people will go into hysterics about 'separation of Church and State" or "You shouldn't talk about that in the workplace".

Jesus is seen as a great prophet in Islam, Hindus often see him as an avatar [in the true sense of the word]. There is only one or two 'religious' books and customs I know of where he is hated and should be cursed. That should tell you what drives the current culture.

There is nothing even remotely extreme about Roosh's regime (Islam they pray 5 times a day, I believe the Knights of St. John at their height said the Lord's prayer 128 times a day) , it's just as odd as those 'joggers' that started popping up in the late 1960s when doctors were warning people over 40 not to over-exert themselves, or those wacky dieters that were going to 'hurt themselves' by not eating a high carb diet.
 

Amwolf

Robin
Why do normies react to even modestly-devout Christians like vampires to garlic?

Because they're insecure and spiritually dead. Since I've embraced Orthodoxy, there have been people who've called me a fundamentalist in a degrading manner, ridiculed my faith, scoffed at my interest in reading the bible, called me a totalitarian, and lacked any understanding of why I'm opposed to all forms of degeneracy in addition to how harmful decadence has been to our society.
 
Because they're insecure and spiritually dead. Since I've embraced Orthodoxy, there have been people who've called me a fundamentalist in a degrading manner, ridiculed my faith, scoffed at my interest in reading the bible, called me a totalitarian, and lacked any understanding of why I'm opposed to all forms of degeneracy in addition to how harmful decadence has been to our society.
I'm a "rad Trad" and I wouldn't put it that harshly. The majority of Christians have been duped into accepting a normalcy bias that follows this line of reasoning.

Premise 1: We live in a Christian country.
Premise 2: Our Christian country advocates [anti Christian thing].
Conclusion: [Anti Christian thing] is therefore not anti-Christian.

Most Christians do not take the time to learn their own faith in depth nor the history of the same, so they default to taking the easy way out of "1 hour per week" Catholicism or the 2 Timothy 4:3 route of finding a preacher that tells them what they want to hear. This applies equally to LGBTQ subversive types and Mark "Your wife should give you a BJ" Driscoll macho-Christianity. When a Christian learns the Bible and Church history in depth, they will be forced to make a decision: accept it all, especially the hard stuff that runs counter to our own personal likes and beliefs, or reject the faith.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
I went to a birthday party of an old friend. It was an outdoor fire, mostly parents getting away from their kids for a night and having a few beers, playing darts, etc. There was about 40 people there.

Roosh's premise that basic Christianity is totally confusing and in many cases hated by normies is confirmed. It's dissappointing, but also it's no wonder we are where we are today.
 

Grey

Sparrow
Jesus is seen as a great prophet in Islam, Hindus often see him as an avatar [in the true sense of the word]. There is only one or two 'religious' books and customs I know of where he is hated and should be cursed. That should tell you what drives the current culture.

The ones that hate him understand him better. He is nothing like a Yogi, nor a prophet of Islam.
 
The ones that hate him understand him better. He is nothing like a Yogi, nor a prophet of Islam.
I understand what you're saying - but those faiths respect his views, sayings, life - btw, an avatar is not a yogi it is an: " incarnation of a Hindu deity (such as Vishnu)" which is pretty high praise. No they don't understand Jesus as the son of God, but they don't think he is 'burning in hell' either like certain other religions.
 

Grey

Sparrow
I understand what you're saying - but those faiths respect his views, sayings, life - btw, an avatar is not a yogi it is an: " incarnation of a Hindu deity (such as Vishnu)" which is pretty high praise. No they don't understand Jesus as the son of God, but they don't think he is 'burning in hell' either like certain other religions.

I know an avatar is not a yogi, but the Hindu teachers I've heard of tend to try to put him on that level, and not on the level of an avatar.

If they had said 'he is the avatar and personification of Brahman' they would be pretty close to the truth of the matter. But I don't know of any who would accept that.
 
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