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<blockquote data-quote="Heismightytosave" data-source="post: 1373850" data-attributes="member: 19652"><p>I've come to believe that there is something in our fallen natures that wants to temper our dedication to God (who is The God of Abraham, The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob).&nbsp; Roosh describes it in OP from the perspective of the nonbeliever, but I've seen it from the perspective of the believer, too.&nbsp; And I've seen it in myself at times.&nbsp;&nbsp; These are the subtleties of the old man, perhaps encouraged by the subtleties of the enemy.&nbsp; I used to belong to a ministry in which we often discussed 'poster sins'.&nbsp; Think sex, drugs, alcohol, etc...&nbsp; But once God brings us out of those, the really deep stuff starts to get exposed, and speaking from personal experience it can be very ugly.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; So the journey is the opposite of self exultation, it's the brutality of dying to self.&nbsp; That's when God is glorified, in my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Heismightytosave, post: 1373850, member: 19652"] I've come to believe that there is something in our fallen natures that wants to temper our dedication to God (who is The God of Abraham, The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob). Roosh describes it in OP from the perspective of the nonbeliever, but I've seen it from the perspective of the believer, too. And I've seen it in myself at times. These are the subtleties of the old man, perhaps encouraged by the subtleties of the enemy. I used to belong to a ministry in which we often discussed 'poster sins'. Think sex, drugs, alcohol, etc... But once God brings us out of those, the really deep stuff starts to get exposed, and speaking from personal experience it can be very ugly. So the journey is the opposite of self exultation, it's the brutality of dying to self. That's when God is glorified, in my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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