That's why I choose to alleviate this issue by attending one class a semester at my college, just for the women.
Being a scrub after college again?
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There are a lot of broad generalizations being thrown around here, but there is also some really good advice. My answer to O.P.'s question is that it depends on two things. The first is what your college experience was like and the second is what you do after college as far as self improvement and building an exciting lifestyle. A frat guy at Arizona State, UCSB, or USC who is getting the top girls at his school will likely do worse after college ends. A guy who went to an ivy league school or MIT and concentrated on academics for four years, then built a rewarding career, a great lifestyle, and constantly works on self improvement after college, may do much better. It works both ways. You might be surprised by how many of the fat slobs in their thirties, forties, and fifties who get nothing or get scraps were athletes and/or players in college. OP, you have the blueprint. It's called RVF. If you follow it, it can only get better after college. Also, I agree with the poster who said something to the effect of avoiding college bars after college.
Here's the real question,
If a 35 year old guy has his life together, can he land decent chicks on a website like seekingarrangement?
If a 35 year old guy has his life together, can he land decent chicks on a website like seekingarrangement?
Easy_C
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I can believe that the city worker would get women hitting on him. They're the closest thing to a rugged, blue collar guy that NYC chicks are ever going to see.
While in the military I used to hang around dive bars and biker bars quite a bit. You all would be surprised. For every fat, nasty "old lady" there were two guys hanging out with young and slim tail.....and most of these guys are greasy, bearded, low income, types.
While in the military I used to hang around dive bars and biker bars quite a bit. You all would be surprised. For every fat, nasty "old lady" there were two guys hanging out with young and slim tail.....and most of these guys are greasy, bearded, low income, types.
Life may not be as good as you drop your carefree ways but in 10-15 years you can really set yourself up for a bright future. Imagine being 35 with 1 million in financial assets. That's true freedom.
Travesty444 said:
I think this boils down to a quality vs. quantity debate. If you're playing your cards right in a college setting, you're not going to rack up a huge number of notches with many different girls (although far more than the average guy), rather you're going to be having a lot of regular sex with multiple hot girls on rotation. The naturals I knew in college probably graduated with notch counts of around 40-50, but what was more impressive was that they usually had not only a main girlfriend, but at least 2-3 hot side pieces, as well as occasional random hookups.
I've never really understood the focus on pure numbers. I know that for some guys that's their thing, and I can concede that an older guy with tight game and resources could clean up in quantity if he positions himself correctly (good logistics in a tier 1 city). He's just going to have a lot more options for interaction with 20-30 year old women, and, more importantly, he won't be operating in a small pond where everyone knows everyone else (this is the major limiting factor for pure quantity in college, especially in the Greek scene).
My main point this entire time has just been the relative ease of college vs. real world and young vs. old. The college guy basically does nothing. He just hangs around campus and goes out to the bars/parties at night, and with decent game can be drowning in prime quality pussy. The older guy just has to work a lot harder to get the same quality. I think a lot of guys are also conflating 23-30 year girls with college girls and calling them both prime. That's not fair though. An 18 or 19 year old girl is far superior to a 27 year old who's been riding the cock carousel for over a decade. Older players can do gangbusters numbers with 25-35 year olds, but the 18-20 range is much harder to crack and takes a lot of effort. Giovonny can speak about how much effort it takes to successfully game college girls as an older guy. It sure as fuck is not as easy as just sitting around as the years go by and thinking you're suddenly going to start cleaning up with women when you hit 35, which is the idea I was trying to shoot down.
In a nutshell, banging hot college girls is simply a part of life when you're in college. But if you want to keep doing that as an older guy, it's got to become a major part of your lifestyle.
Dalaran1991
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It's way above my pay grade to say if its better post college. But I can tell you one thing: even in a top tier city like Paris, going out independently of your student status sucks ass.
I'm talking about it's holidays here and all student activities are ceased, your friends all go home to see their family, so you head out to standard venues like bars and clubs and dance venues to chill, and it's fucking horrifying.
I was at one of the nicest dance venues in Paris that incorporated a high class restaurant, and the crowd is overwhelmingly old women 40+. ALL THE PRETTY GIRLS in there I actually have come across them at other venues, meaning that there actually is a limited number of hot pussy in any given scene. Entrance fee is high and a cocktail is 10 euro. I was shocked to the core. Compared this to weekly student dance night where 70% of the crowd is hot young college girls AND the entrance is free. I really can't see how graduating will make life better.
Sure you can join sport/art club and build a name for yourself and play your card right, but that takes so much fucking time and effort. All the older guys I know who manage to do that kinda have their life/job centered around it: dance instructors, sport coach at university, club owner etc. I seriously don't know how a desk job guy can manage to keep up the work to maintain a social circle with hot girls, outside of cold approaching like Gio.
I'm talking about it's holidays here and all student activities are ceased, your friends all go home to see their family, so you head out to standard venues like bars and clubs and dance venues to chill, and it's fucking horrifying.
I was at one of the nicest dance venues in Paris that incorporated a high class restaurant, and the crowd is overwhelmingly old women 40+. ALL THE PRETTY GIRLS in there I actually have come across them at other venues, meaning that there actually is a limited number of hot pussy in any given scene. Entrance fee is high and a cocktail is 10 euro. I was shocked to the core. Compared this to weekly student dance night where 70% of the crowd is hot young college girls AND the entrance is free. I really can't see how graduating will make life better.
Sure you can join sport/art club and build a name for yourself and play your card right, but that takes so much fucking time and effort. All the older guys I know who manage to do that kinda have their life/job centered around it: dance instructors, sport coach at university, club owner etc. I seriously don't know how a desk job guy can manage to keep up the work to maintain a social circle with hot girls, outside of cold approaching like Gio.
mikado said:
You don't. You build an exciting lifestyle outside of your job and invite girls into it.
I think we can all agree it takes effort to do well (quality wise) at any stage in your life.
A 20 year old isn't going to land prime pussy just because he's young and surrounded by college girls (remember only 20% of the guys in college are getting the pussy). If this were true a lot of the younger guys wouldn't even be here.
Likewise, a 40 year old isn't going to land the same prime pussy just because he has more money than when he was younger and he avoided becoming overweight.
Game is still a factor. Putting in effort to meet and approach girls, being comfortable around them, confident, engaging, charming, etc.
Whether one or the other is easier will depend on different things. Individual factors when you are younger vs older, your location and environment, the types of girls that are into you, your social aptitude, etc.
It's about making the most of it no matter what stage of life you may be.
I like this thread.
A 20 year old isn't going to land prime pussy just because he's young and surrounded by college girls (remember only 20% of the guys in college are getting the pussy). If this were true a lot of the younger guys wouldn't even be here.
Likewise, a 40 year old isn't going to land the same prime pussy just because he has more money than when he was younger and he avoided becoming overweight.
Game is still a factor. Putting in effort to meet and approach girls, being comfortable around them, confident, engaging, charming, etc.
Whether one or the other is easier will depend on different things. Individual factors when you are younger vs older, your location and environment, the types of girls that are into you, your social aptitude, etc.
It's about making the most of it no matter what stage of life you may be.
I like this thread.
Dalaran1991
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mikado said:
Bitches still love money, mon frère
Dalaran1991
Ostrich
mikado said:
At least she was an honest bitch. Kinda rare for French girls.
See, that right there is the biggest hang up about getting older:
Say, you become succesful, lead healthy life, have connections, lots of $
How do you know girls and people in general like you and NOT your money/success?
This is why I think good college friends sometimes are your best friends for life because when you met you all had nothing. No money, no connection, your friendship was built based on sheer compatibility and shared interests. You know that they like you for who you are, not what you have because you have nothing except some noodles boxes. I'm not saying is unconditional (nothing ever is) but I still think it's a lot less opportunistic than the kind of friendships you build later in life. At least thats how some older friends tell me.
scorpion said:
BEST. SCORPION. POST.
EVER.
I became a "scrub" after college, that, is the reason I joined this forum.
Because I was an athlete, I got lots of quality p*ssy in college. After college, I got a regular construction job and all the p*ssy was gone. I went from being surrounded by young girls to being surrounded by old men. (This is the access that Scorpion describes)
The frustration began to set in... Where could I meet hot, young girls? How could I seduce them if I'm not in their social circle?
I would work all day and come home tired. I was making money but I would literally go days and weeks without talking to pretty young girls.
This went on for 2 years, my frustration grew and grew. I did not have much sex for those 2 years.
Eventually, I went back to graduate school and my sex life returned.
But, then, after graduate school, the problem returned..
I was back in the working world and I did not have regular access to pretty, young girls.
My sexual frustration began to set in again. I was 30 years old and I had practically zero access to hot college girls. I felt trapped. I didn't have much sex for a few years.
Finally, I went to Brazil for 6 months to try and relieve my frustration. As a tourist in Brazil, things were much better.
I returned home and my sex life again dried up.
I got a job on a college campus and I was surrounded by hot girls but I was too scared to try and bang them, I didn't want to get fired.
After about 2 years of that, I said "fuck it". I decided that I would start trying to bang the students at my college and I didn't care if I got fired or not. I was sick and tired of being lonely and sexless.
I started banging students. It was a lot of fun. Thank God I never got in trouble.
Then, that very same year (2010) I joined the forum and started doing "approaches".
I decided that I was going to do whatever it takes to start banging college girls.
I started going to university and college campuses a few times a week, sometimes, I went 5 days a week.
If I got off of work at 2pm, I was on campus by 230pm
If I had a day off, I was on campus from 12-4pm
Approaching college girls became almost an obsession for me.
I started working in the afternoons and evenings so I could chase college girls during the day.
What an experience it has been!
I have no regrets.. I got what I wanted. It feels great.
But, it was a lot of work.
Learn from my mistakes so you don't have to work as hard.
*****
Now..
How can I advise you guys so that you don't have the same problems that I did...???
How can I help you so that you don't have to go through everything that I did...???
I think it comes down to two things:
1) Freedom
2) Location
If you do not have freedom over your time and freedom over your location, then, you are basically trapped. You can not go where you want and you can not do what you want.
If you are not in a location with lots of pretty, young girls, than, you can not meet any pretty, young girls.
When you take a job after college, consider the level of freedom and the location.
Are you stuck in an office all day? Or, can you get outside and adjust your location if you want to?
Are you in a small town with limited availability of girls? Or, are you in a big city with many, many options in terms of females?
These are the things you should think about.
*****
Also, you should consider your priorities..
What is more important to you..?
Money or sex?
The answer should be money. But, you must also find way to have a healthy sex life.
My friend Westcoast no longer posts on this forum. He works long hours and makes good money on Wall St. But, he also goes out dancing every weekend to ensure a steady stream of cuties. He dresses well, works out, and is a good dancer.
He is making money and getting quality girls. He lives in San Francisco and travels a lot.
My point is that you can both ($ and girls), but, it takes effort and a good location + a good strategy + game.
*****
Or, you can make money and be a "sugar daddy" type.
Or, you can make money get hookers.
Or, you can be poor and chase girls all day.
Or, you can try to find success with a "location-independent" job.
Each man must figure out the right system and strategy for himself.
I recommend trying to make money and also trying to improve your game, all while living in a good strategic location and being aggressive about approaching and talking to girls. Try to do both!
*****
If you have "game", you will never be a "scrub"!
*****
Here is my interview with Christian Mcqueen where I discuss this topic in more detail:
https://soundcloud.com/thechristianmcqueenshow/episode-14-picking-up-college
Because I was an athlete, I got lots of quality p*ssy in college. After college, I got a regular construction job and all the p*ssy was gone. I went from being surrounded by young girls to being surrounded by old men. (This is the access that Scorpion describes)
The frustration began to set in... Where could I meet hot, young girls? How could I seduce them if I'm not in their social circle?
I would work all day and come home tired. I was making money but I would literally go days and weeks without talking to pretty young girls.
This went on for 2 years, my frustration grew and grew. I did not have much sex for those 2 years.
Eventually, I went back to graduate school and my sex life returned.
But, then, after graduate school, the problem returned..
I was back in the working world and I did not have regular access to pretty, young girls.
My sexual frustration began to set in again. I was 30 years old and I had practically zero access to hot college girls. I felt trapped. I didn't have much sex for a few years.
Finally, I went to Brazil for 6 months to try and relieve my frustration. As a tourist in Brazil, things were much better.
I returned home and my sex life again dried up.
I got a job on a college campus and I was surrounded by hot girls but I was too scared to try and bang them, I didn't want to get fired.
After about 2 years of that, I said "fuck it". I decided that I would start trying to bang the students at my college and I didn't care if I got fired or not. I was sick and tired of being lonely and sexless.
I started banging students. It was a lot of fun. Thank God I never got in trouble.
Then, that very same year (2010) I joined the forum and started doing "approaches".
I decided that I was going to do whatever it takes to start banging college girls.
I started going to university and college campuses a few times a week, sometimes, I went 5 days a week.
If I got off of work at 2pm, I was on campus by 230pm
If I had a day off, I was on campus from 12-4pm
Approaching college girls became almost an obsession for me.
I started working in the afternoons and evenings so I could chase college girls during the day.
What an experience it has been!
I have no regrets.. I got what I wanted. It feels great.
But, it was a lot of work.
Learn from my mistakes so you don't have to work as hard.
*****
Now..
How can I advise you guys so that you don't have the same problems that I did...???
How can I help you so that you don't have to go through everything that I did...???
I think it comes down to two things:
1) Freedom
2) Location
If you do not have freedom over your time and freedom over your location, then, you are basically trapped. You can not go where you want and you can not do what you want.
If you are not in a location with lots of pretty, young girls, than, you can not meet any pretty, young girls.
When you take a job after college, consider the level of freedom and the location.
Are you stuck in an office all day? Or, can you get outside and adjust your location if you want to?
Are you in a small town with limited availability of girls? Or, are you in a big city with many, many options in terms of females?
These are the things you should think about.
*****
Also, you should consider your priorities..
What is more important to you..?
Money or sex?
The answer should be money. But, you must also find way to have a healthy sex life.
My friend Westcoast no longer posts on this forum. He works long hours and makes good money on Wall St. But, he also goes out dancing every weekend to ensure a steady stream of cuties. He dresses well, works out, and is a good dancer.
He is making money and getting quality girls. He lives in San Francisco and travels a lot.
My point is that you can both ($ and girls), but, it takes effort and a good location + a good strategy + game.
*****
Or, you can make money and be a "sugar daddy" type.
Or, you can make money get hookers.
Or, you can be poor and chase girls all day.
Or, you can try to find success with a "location-independent" job.
Each man must figure out the right system and strategy for himself.
I recommend trying to make money and also trying to improve your game, all while living in a good strategic location and being aggressive about approaching and talking to girls. Try to do both!
*****
If you have "game", you will never be a "scrub"!
*****
Here is my interview with Christian Mcqueen where I discuss this topic in more detail:
https://soundcloud.com/thechristianmcqueenshow/episode-14-picking-up-college
Dalaran1991
Ostrich
How I feel reading Gio's post:
Gio, in terms of freedom and location, IF you have to choose, what would you rather have?
For example, I would be doing a desk job 9-5 for a few years if I'm lucky, so no freedom. But I live in Paris where there are a lots of hot young college girls.
Or I could take a job in a more remote third-tier cities that allow lots of freedom but where the demographics are screwed.
I don't think new graduates can always have both location and freedom
Gio, in terms of freedom and location, IF you have to choose, what would you rather have?
For example, I would be doing a desk job 9-5 for a few years if I'm lucky, so no freedom. But I live in Paris where there are a lots of hot young college girls.
Or I could take a job in a more remote third-tier cities that allow lots of freedom but where the demographics are screwed.
I don't think new graduates can always have both location and freedom
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