being good looking
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UgSlayer said:
THIS.
The only time that looks help is for about the first 10-20 seconds of the approach--they'll give you a window of opportunity that, if you weren't good-looking, you would've had to create on your own with a really good opener/social proof/etc. They will NOT get you laid, nor will they do more than about 2% of the work towards it (ugs/skanks are an exception; what I said applies to decent, like 6-7 and up, quality girls).
Guys, it's about game, it's all about game. This is coming from a guy who thinks he is good-looking (I fucking hate saying that because it sounds SO fucking conceited, but it is pertinent to the conversation, so there you go. For reference, I put myself up on hotornot a year ago and got a 9.6/10 from a little over 1200 votes--if you want to know roughly where you stand, that site is a good way to find out).
Looks without Game will get the same results as Game without Looks.
Game without Looks will actually do better in the long run.
Game without Looks will actually do better in the long run.
InternationPlayboy
Crow
I know a lot of guys that most girls consider good looking but never get laid. I have one friend that all my girlfriends say is good looking, but none of them will hook up with him because he is a puss. He's 24 and I think he's only had sex with 3 girls. He was all emo for over a year over a girl who dropped him, that he didn't even bang!!!!!! Oh yeah, and that whole year, he didn't get laid once!
mulhollanddriven said:
JESUS! and I thought I was the only guy this happened to! holy christ, this happens to me ALL the time. The most usual is when they ask me if i'm gay or try ripping on my fashionable clothing. One girl tried me last weekend, and I said to her: "Honey, the last time I saw legs like yours, they were hanging out of a nest". Then I called her olive oyl. She was on the verge of tears. lmao!
It is sometimes harder being a good looking dude, but at 1:30 they drop the neg crap and come right out with the invites. By then i've seen so many Ameri-pigs and trash that i'd rather jerk than deal with their bullshit.
zanetti said:
They may hate you but they want good-looking kids.
Think, "Child support."
Quasi
Woodpecker
Dont be stupid offcourse it makes a major difference 
but what women like is very versatile and broad compared to guys I think, so there is still room for everyone... Women are basicly freaks, who knows what they want except the obviously moviestar looks, some like skinny, some like surfer types, some like artsy type... some like huge bodybuilding, some like innocent boys..
Besides make an impression and all the sudden they think your good looking.. or bla bla, same deal with being good looking and boring, probably land you some bangs, but women will ditch you.
but what women like is very versatile and broad compared to guys I think, so there is still room for everyone... Women are basicly freaks, who knows what they want except the obviously moviestar looks, some like skinny, some like surfer types, some like artsy type... some like huge bodybuilding, some like innocent boys..Besides make an impression and all the sudden they think your good looking.. or bla bla, same deal with being good looking and boring, probably land you some bangs, but women will ditch you.
MiXX
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Quasi said:
Very true. I was hanging out with a guy and his smoking hot (carmen electra look-alike) girl last week, and I notice that he was in great shape, six-pack abs, and athletic physique, but he had the personality of a door knob.
Needless to say, 2 hours into hanging out, she was having more fun with me, than him - but I don't go there, I had plenty of women to choose from. Which probably increased my value in her eyes more than him.
Mixx
every guy has the potential to be better looking and should always strive to look his best!
hit the gym
take care of your diet
take care of your skin (cleanser, exfoliat, moisturise)
take care of your teeth
groom yourself (hair, chest, beard, back)
take care of your nails and toenails.
wear clothes that make you look at your best.
hit the gym
take care of your diet
take care of your skin (cleanser, exfoliat, moisturise)
take care of your teeth
groom yourself (hair, chest, beard, back)
take care of your nails and toenails.
wear clothes that make you look at your best.
whosyourdaddy
Robin
OK, here's the truth. If you are very good looking, you really don't have to game. The women will come to you, or all you need to do is show some initial interest. This can make very good looking guys very lazy and have a lack of developed game or overly developed personality. This results in getting girls that are easier--- work, school, friends, your tennis class, church group, etc, no need to approach large numbers of random women on the street or in clubs. However, over time, good inner game results simply from having dealt with so many interested women. All you have to do is show initial interest in a few women and if you are very good looking, a certain percentage will show interest back. And of course a few will become obsessed.
However, even if you are good looking, you still have to MEET the actual women that you are interested in. Therefore, meeting 6's, 7's and maybe even 8's, is pretty easy. Finding SOMEONE is pretty easy. But finding great women can still be a bit difficult.
Hardly ever had problems with negging personally, I don't find that women do that, personally. Although some women won't approach or show interest if you are very good looking. I guess that it comes more with the territory if you are a real arrogrant, cocky type of guy.
However, even if you are good looking, you still have to MEET the actual women that you are interested in. Therefore, meeting 6's, 7's and maybe even 8's, is pretty easy. Finding SOMEONE is pretty easy. But finding great women can still be a bit difficult.
Hardly ever had problems with negging personally, I don't find that women do that, personally. Although some women won't approach or show interest if you are very good looking. I guess that it comes more with the territory if you are a real arrogrant, cocky type of guy.
If you aren't good looking, then it helps to have a monster penis.
At least that's what I've heard.
At least that's what I've heard.
In all seriousness, looks mean less if you are good in bed. The trick is laying her in the first place. But if you can, and rock her world, then expect to keep her for as long as you would like. Learning game, to a certain point, increases your bedroom abilities as your demeanor and behavior will be more congruent the a dominant male who is good at what he does.
And I'd much rather be good with game than good looking, as looks fade for almost everyone, and its much tougher to learn game as an older man (if you have been an AFC up until then). Being less good looking creates the need to better your game.
My brother is much better looking than I am, and as of now, he gets some hot women (he lives in NYC and generally dates models or model quality). He operates WELL under his potential though, and doesn't quite know how to handle the women once he has them. Its fun for me to see him try and figure it out. He's learning. However, with his looks, he could have a harem with some better game.
And I'd much rather be good with game than good looking, as looks fade for almost everyone, and its much tougher to learn game as an older man (if you have been an AFC up until then). Being less good looking creates the need to better your game.
My brother is much better looking than I am, and as of now, he gets some hot women (he lives in NYC and generally dates models or model quality). He operates WELL under his potential though, and doesn't quite know how to handle the women once he has them. Its fun for me to see him try and figure it out. He's learning. However, with his looks, he could have a harem with some better game.
The way I see it is there are things that will actively increase your success (game, status, popularity) and things that will passively increase your success (looks, money). Active will guarantee success, passive does not, but almost every guy who is good with women has both the active and the passive things in his arsenal.
Good looks, they definitely don't hurt, but like money and other passive things, if you don't know how to properly use them, they won't really help either.
You still need game, but if you're good looking the amount of game you need is not as much. A 5'6 troll-looking guy will need his game operating at like 95% capacity to get consistently laid, while a 6'2 dark-haired ripped guy may only need his game to be around 40%.
As a pretty good-looking guy myself (6'3, toned, dark hair, grey-green eyes and nice teeth), I can sort of offer insight. Looks may get more girls checking you out, and it may also give you a slightly larger window in the conversation, but you need to rock some substance behind it, game, intelligence, humor etc. Without that you're just going to be fucking skanks and average girls, and if you're good looking that's just sad.
Good looks, they definitely don't hurt, but like money and other passive things, if you don't know how to properly use them, they won't really help either.
You still need game, but if you're good looking the amount of game you need is not as much. A 5'6 troll-looking guy will need his game operating at like 95% capacity to get consistently laid, while a 6'2 dark-haired ripped guy may only need his game to be around 40%.
As a pretty good-looking guy myself (6'3, toned, dark hair, grey-green eyes and nice teeth), I can sort of offer insight. Looks may get more girls checking you out, and it may also give you a slightly larger window in the conversation, but you need to rock some substance behind it, game, intelligence, humor etc. Without that you're just going to be fucking skanks and average girls, and if you're good looking that's just sad.
Even active doesn't guarantee success.
To improve game you really have to take the time to reflect on what you are learning, internalize everything and make it not just part of your repetoire, but part of yourself. You can't even think it, you have to breathe it. That's the really hard part.
Learning game for me has been like learning to do a role in a play. I memorize lines, learn some acting tricks, but the real success comes when you really BECOME the person you are acting. That person you are trying to become would hopefully be some stylized version of yourself, except less wussy and beta and more alpha and charming.
You can act and be active all you want, and approach a 1000 women and still learn zilch. If you are perceptive, you will learn more from a single approach than a social retard could from 10 approaches. I am more of the last category, so it's an uphill struggle for me. Just means I have to work harder.
To improve game you really have to take the time to reflect on what you are learning, internalize everything and make it not just part of your repetoire, but part of yourself. You can't even think it, you have to breathe it. That's the really hard part.
Learning game for me has been like learning to do a role in a play. I memorize lines, learn some acting tricks, but the real success comes when you really BECOME the person you are acting. That person you are trying to become would hopefully be some stylized version of yourself, except less wussy and beta and more alpha and charming.
You can act and be active all you want, and approach a 1000 women and still learn zilch. If you are perceptive, you will learn more from a single approach than a social retard could from 10 approaches. I am more of the last category, so it's an uphill struggle for me. Just means I have to work harder.
whosyourdaddy said:
Everything you said above is spot on as this has been my experience. I have wonderful memories of high school & college as I was swimming in girls back then. Three of the girls in my high school clique were cheerleaders. In college I was in a fraternity and a sports team. Again, girls everywhere - with a good number of them creating opportunities to hook up. Graduated college and it hasn't been the same - mostly downhill except for several upticks here & there. So, based on this, a good looking guy in a socially proofed setting is golden but one who is daygaming the streets or nightgaming a big dance club will still need tight game, as women will most probably not be throwing themselves at him - although this has happened to me a couple of times while clubbing - once in Vegas and the other time down in Argentina.
whosyourdaddy said:
The shy & insecure ones usually won't but the party girls & sluts will step up & play.
Rocco81
Kingfisher
You always have to remember that women do not think/work/react in the same way we do. Guys are like atleast 3/4 about looks. I mean if a girl is sexy looking we can bang her no matter how dry her personality is or how dumb she is. We might not call her back, but a sexy girl is a sexy girl bottom line. After a few beers you can numb the pain of her boring bull shit long enough to bang her.
On the flip side, if a girl is a 5'0 - 200lb troll, no matter how cool, rich, funny, or smart she is, most men will never ever find her sexy and never ever even fantasize about her much less actually have sex with her. This rule is not the same for women. On occasion a guy can be actually fairly ugly, but if he is rich, or a super talented artist, super alpha (insert any other desirable characteristic) then his looks start to rise in other ways with the girls.
Of course it's natural a woman can first be called to attention by a handsome man however they soon will be turned off if he is dry, boring, dumb etc. This is why you can go anywhere and see not so handsome guys with girls several points above them on the dating scale.
On the flip side, if a girl is a 5'0 - 200lb troll, no matter how cool, rich, funny, or smart she is, most men will never ever find her sexy and never ever even fantasize about her much less actually have sex with her. This rule is not the same for women. On occasion a guy can be actually fairly ugly, but if he is rich, or a super talented artist, super alpha (insert any other desirable characteristic) then his looks start to rise in other ways with the girls.
Of course it's natural a woman can first be called to attention by a handsome man however they soon will be turned off if he is dry, boring, dumb etc. This is why you can go anywhere and see not so handsome guys with girls several points above them on the dating scale.
whosyourdaddy said:
I agree with you and it sometimes is depressing to go out with a guy who is SUPER good looking. One of my best friend is Italian and I have to say I never saw such a thing with anyone else.
Girls are generally starting to get wet when they see a good looking italian guy and my friend would easily look like a model for Dolce And Gabana.
He has a lot of success thanks to his looks and everytime we would go out he would hang out with the hired guns. I see some damn pretty bartenders gaming him.
At the end of the day, he had to do nothing, just come and wait. You can be sure that everytime we went out together at least 1 girl would come over, and not 5,6 or 7s but I saw some 9s coming and gaming him...
A few times the following has happened: I start open a set, I lock the target, everytime is fine, he then comes over to say Hi or just to talk with me for a second, my target sees him ...and it's over... She starts talking to him and I rapidly feel like I have to go...
Being super good looking with the good mentality is gold
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