Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party

[Fast Eddie]

I think a lot of people here are putting the cart before the horse.

"If Trump fails then etc etc etc", or, "if Hillary wins then etc etc etc."

The fact of the matter is that Trump didn't create a political movement. He just put a circle around it and gave it a democratic vehicle.

The idea that if Trump loses then his supporters are simply going to go home for 8 years or indeed forever is crazy talk. This movement of centrist nationalism is building, with or without a voting booth.

The other claim that if Trump loses this election that America will simply become a brown nation now and forever is also short-sighted. It's born of the notion that the USA will outlast the very sun that warms our planet, an assumption that survives no serious scrutiny.

The flyover states are very white and they will not go quietly into the night simply because Washington DC holds a knife to the throat of the beloved union. If the east and west coast were jettisoned then White-Republican America would have a rough trot for a few decades, but Black/Brown-Democrat America would utterly implode in short order.

The non-flyover states were also very white, until they weren't. And they went "dark" very quietly. Uber "hard core" Texas is one of the most demographically changed states in the union, it's literally just 2 or 3 election cycles away from turning democrat because of the Hispanic tsunami, and no one there made or makes a peep about it. What makes you think the milquetoast white cucks in the midwest are going to put up any greater resistance than the states that went before them?

I don't want to say this in the Trump thread, but I feel that Trump's chances of becoming president are less than 1 in 5 right now. Our best case realistic scenario is a Hillary presidency neutered by continued GOP control of congress. Worst case scenario is Sanders in the oval office and democrats in control of both the house and senate, with the addition of the inevitably hard-bolshevik supreme court justice such a situation would entail.

Right now, I'm actually more concerned with the democratic race than the Republican one because I'm more or less convinced no matter what happens going forward, the democrats are winning the presidency. I just hope it will be Hillary and not Sanders.

 

[Sherman]

It's a realigning election. We're overdue, so it's going to get heated.

My opinion is that the new GOP will be a party animated by the spirits of Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt. Their focus will be on an "American folk" nationalism that is skeptical of both big government and crony capitalism. Questions over taxation and regulation won't be axiomatic but rather if they make sense. The Democrats will be animated by the ghosts of Franklin Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan. They'll focus questions of, to them, economic fairness economics and disproportionate racial outcomes of certain policies.

I have a feeling that both the religious right and religious left - SJW's will be expelled from their respective parties at some point. We're sort of seeing the beginnings of that now on the right.

But maybe that's too optimistic.

I don't see Trump as skeptical of the concept of "big" government. He wants to take government and make it more efficient and have it work for the people. The way I see it, we have two parties with politicians who serve the donor class, i.e. the elites and globalists. Ordinary voters have no effect on policy. So the US gets involved in perpetual wars to secure power for the elites, but this actually has no benefit for the workers who suffer.

Under both parties, the middle class have their jobs taken away and they are pushed into poverty. The only difference between the parties is that the Democrats are willing to throw the losers a few bones so they can survive, while the Republicans just want them to die and go away. Under this system, it actually makes sense for a white blue-collar worker to be a Democrat. Trump needs to destroy the Republican party and replace it by a national socialist party, which Trump basically is. Then it will be a party protecting the country and patriots from globalism and crony capitalism.

 

[kosko]

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[Hannibal]

An elderly loser and his band of degenerates.

Sanders accomplished jack shit as a senator for what, 23 years?

He only has 300k net worth and he gets paid 150k a year to lecture people like me about how white people don't know what it's like to be poor.

I cannot believe there are actual voters out there willing to put this guy in charge. He can't even balance his own checkbook and they want to give this communist half (or more) of their paychecks?

There's an infographic around here about who spends the most on votes. Trump spends the least and Bernie spends, unsurprisingly, the most by a fairly large margin. Who knew, socialists are terrible at managing money.

 

[germanico]

Notice how the only bar getting larger is Hispanics.

Justsayin'

 

[temsike]

In the USA money talks far too loud. Again. One of the USA's two political parties is going to have to either elevate the vote's voice or diminish money's.

 

[zigZag]

Notice how the only bar getting larger is Hispanics.

Justsayin'

The Future belongs to he who has the most kids. It's really that simple.

 

[El Chinito loco]

Notice how the only bar getting larger is Hispanics.

Justsayin'

Even with the build the wall talk it's still the most understated issue in the U.S.

People who live in CA can attest to what a shithole the rest of the U.S. will eventually become if the problem is left unchecked.

People always draw parallels between masses of poor Mexicans in the present day with european immigrants coming into the U.S. during the late 19th and early 20th century but last I checked Ireland, EE, and southern Italy wasn't connected via a porous land border to the U.S. where an adjacent nation can easily flip the demographics of the destination country.

 

[JacksonRev]

Notice how the only bar getting larger is Hispanics.

Justsayin'

Even with the build the wall talk it's still the most understated issue in the U.S.

People who live in CA can attest to what a shithole the rest of the U.S. will eventually become if the problem is left unchecked.

People always draw parallels between masses of poor Mexicans in the present day with european immigrants coming into the U.S. during the late 19th and early 20th century but last I checked Ireland, EE, and southern Italy wasn't connected via a porous land border to the U.S. where an adjacent nation can easily flip the demographics of the destination country.

They still flipped the demographics in certain areas, but there were just a lot less people in general.

 

[El Chinito loco]

They still flipped the demographics in certain areas, but there were just a lot less people in general.

What is the one thing you notice when you look at those historical demographics? It's still not a single dominant foreign nationality taking over entire portions of the U.S.

A multitude of foreign immigrants who integrate is much different.

This is why the American public remains clueless. Allowing the U.S. to be flooded with Mexicans is absolutely still an invasion but a soft power type invasion.

Get used to the Mexican flag.

 

[blacknwhitespade]

What is the one thing you notice when you look at those historical demographics? It's still not a single dominant foreign nationality taking over entire portions of the U.S.

A multitude of foreign immigrants who integrate is much different.

This is why the American public remains clueless. Allowing the U.S. to be flooded with Mexicans is absolutely still an invasion but a soft power type invasion.

Get used to the Mexican flag.

The thing that gets me is, it's overwhelmingly all bottom-barrel Mexicans that are coming here these past 2 decades. In my journeys through Mexico itself, I am always floored at how different real Mexicans are compared to the average immigrants you meet working at your local Home Depot. Most of the Germans, Irish, and Italians who came here were also trash, but at least they came in somewhat more respective proportions, had better economic prospects, and had reasons to assimilate faster. Various European immigrants and more recent Asian immigrants are/were dis-united by different languages, which forced them to learn English and assimilate faster. German was still widely spoken in Midwest states up until WW1 when the USA entry into the war on the side of Britain and France helped shut down any German nationalist undertones pretty quick.

Mexican immigration is different, they've been the dominant immigrant group coming to the United States for 20 years--albeit trickling due to bad economy and tightened border control--many learn English, and many also cluster up in inner city and subdivision ghettos where they ratchet-ify. United by a common language, Mexicans and the smaller quantities of Guatemalans, Dominicans, etc. have less incentive to assimilate. While I see some notable Mexican immigrants moving up in American society, many others seem to be content to linger in a blighted life not unlike inner city black neighborhoods. This is partly what caused the whole illegal problem in the first place: most of these people would rather live in darkness with a low wage job than to come out into the light and get in line, or go back to their native country and figure it out.

 

[blacknwhitespade]

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/...upporters-associating-blacks-with-confederacy

Entertaining (actually a little depressing) comments section to this article. A lot of race hustling, finger pointing, and divisiveness between Hillary supporters and Berniephiles. Comment of the thread: "Sanders is a 60s racist entitled white male." Some of the female Hillary supporters are hilariously delusional with the mental gymnastics they perform to 1) tear down Sanders and 2) tout Hillary as an excellent future President. How far away are we again from the fortune tellers predictions of the Apocalypse?

 

[Tupac]

I have long expected that the next Democrat move would be another Obama, but this time a Hispanic version. Speaking Spanish on the campaign trail and spreading the same empty rhetoric of "hope" that Obama spread.

I don't know anyone specifically that fits this description, but I am sure there are a few of them out there that will be ready by 2020 or 2024.

I think they already have their guy.

Former Mayor of San Antonio Julian Castro.

Hillary Clinton has been prepping him up for years.

She was even talking about having him to be her VP.

They are talking about him being the Hispanic Obama who "wowed" everybody in the 2012 convention.

 

[tomtud]

With Bernie, the US will have a lot of American born taxi drivers/uber with advanced university degrees who cannot find work in their field. Much like the immigrants from other socialist countries who ran away from that are driving taxis.

There will be more and more protests for everything. Just like they are protesting trump rallies, they will start protesting (I dunno, the rise in coffee beans that made their grande latte frappucino from Starbucks increase in price). Instead of going to work or looking for work, they will be milking the system until it collapses.

 

[RexImperator]

They are talking about him being the Hispanic Obama who "wowed" everybody in the 2012 convention.

Ayayay

 

[It_is_my_time]

Thanks Tupac, seemed like the obvious next step for the Democrat party. They have nothing to offer at this point but identity politics.

 

[Fast Eddie]

The more I think about it, the more terrifying the Sanders phenomenon becomes, because what Sanders is showing us is that the future is not 20 years from now, but right now. Sanders is running on an unabashedly socialist platform: he is promising nationalized healthcare and the most massive tax raises in the history of the United States. He's not talking about taxing the "rich"; in fact, I highly doubt he is anything but the best of friends with the rich, just like the original Bolsheviks were. The benign coverage he is receiving in the globalist owned media is a proof of that.

Rather, his tax plan revolves around utterly destroying W2 wages. He is completely blatant about it, to the point of bragging. If you make 100k, Sanders is going to increase the federal taxes you pay by 50%. If you make 200k, you will give more than 50c of every additional dollar you make to the federal government under his plan. In other words, Sanders' tax plan is a government enforced caste system: either you are already rich today, or you will never make anything of yourself because the government is going to take any money you try to earn above what is "proper" for you to have.

And he would win the presidency on this platform, right now in 2016. The only thing that has slowed him down is the ignorance of southern blacks, who mistakenly believe that Hillary Clinton represents more gimmedats than Sanders does.

Think about what that means for a second: Hillary is leading Sanders not because the voting public opposes his thieving madness, but because a subset of that public mistakenly believes she is the bigger thief!

But this is just a historical anachronism that resulted from Sanders coming out of nowhere and Clinton having a long history with the Black political establishment. By the time the next elections roll around, it will be clear even to southern blacks who the bigger thief is, and that thief is going to be the democratic nominee, who in turn is going to be president.

This is not a prediction or a hypothesis. This is where we are right now. The year 2016 has shown us that the United States is already a walking corpse. The globalists have picked off the choicest morsels over the last few decades, and now the socialist hyenas are about to pounce and tear apart the rotting remains.

 

[MKE-Ed]

Another thing this shows us is that a very high percentage of young people, those under 30, have been completely indoctrinated by leftist, liberal philosophy and ideology in today's colleges. They are ignorant of how economies work and operate and have no basic understanding of economic principles. What Sanders advocates would lead to a major economic collapse of the entire United States economy.

The fact that he's doing so well with the under 30 crowd speaks volumes as to how dire things can get if he somehow manages to get elected.

 

[Samseau]

Another thing this shows us is that a very high percentage of young people, those under 30, have been completely indoctrinated by leftist, liberal philosophy and ideology in today's colleges. They are ignorant of how economies work and operate and have no basic understanding of economic principles. What Sanders advocates would lead to a major economic collapse of the entire United States economy.

The fact that he's doing so well with the under 30 crowd speaks volumes as to how dire things can get if he somehow manages to get elected.

Yeah but remember these under-30 types WILL change their political views as they get older, it's a consistent feature of virtually every society. People change as they get older.

In other words, some Bernie supporters today will be Trump Jr. supporters 25 years from now.

 

[Going strong]

Another thing this shows us is that a very high percentage of young people, those under 30, have been completely indoctrinated by leftist, liberal philosophy and ideology in today's colleges. They are ignorant of how economies work and operate and have no basic understanding of economic principles. What Sanders advocates would lead to a major economic collapse of the entire United States economy.

The fact that he's doing so well with the under 30 crowd speaks volumes as to how dire things can get if he somehow manages to get elected.

Yeah but remember these under-30 types WILL change their political views as they get older, it's a consistent feature of virtually every society. People change as they get older.

In other words, some Bernie supporters today will be Trump Jr. supporters 25 years from now.

But Western society can't wait 25 years to have a leader like Trump in charge. As you perfectly know and express here, Western societies have precious little time to reform and get their act together...