Beta characters of tv/movies

puckerman

Ostrich
LeoneVolpe said:
Paul Pfeiffer from "The Wonder Years"

I'm not sure about this one. Paul had sex before Kevin did. Paul had a steady girl friend for a long time as well.

I'd say Kevin was a beta because he constantly fawned over Winnie, and nothing happened more than a few kisses. He even turned down interest from the much more attractive Madeline. Not to mention, Kevin kept taking crap from Wayne. The few times he did do something that hurt Wayne, he felt guilty about it.

I watched that show religiously when it was on. Now looking back, I wonder why I did. I kept hoping Kevin would get with Winnie or finally do something really awful to Wayne. He did neither.

Kevin Arnold was more beta than Paul was.

For those of you who are watching reruns, do you know if they kept the music that was originally in the TV series? This kept the show of DVD for a long time. I hope they have all the music in the show, as it was maybe the best thing about it.
 

LeoneVolpe

Pelican
Gold Member
puckerman said:
LeoneVolpe said:
Paul Pfeiffer from "The Wonder Years"

I'm not sure about this one. Paul had sex before Kevin did. Paul had a steady girl friend for a long time as well.

I'd say Kevin was a beta because he constantly fawned over Winnie, and nothing happened more than a few kisses. He even turned down interest from the much more attractive Madeline. Not to mention, Kevin kept taking crap from Wayne. The few times he did do something that hurt Wayne, he felt guilty about it.

I watched that show religiously when it was on. Now looking back, I wonder why I did. I kept hoping Kevin would get with Winnie or finally do something really awful to Wayne. He did neither.

Kevin Arnold was more beta than Paul was.

For those of you who are watching reruns, do you know if they kept the music that was originally in the TV series? This kept the show of DVD for a long time. I hope they have all the music in the show, as it was maybe the best thing about it.

The argument that Kevin was "beta" doesn't make Paul an "alpha". Even if Paul was "beta-plus" he would still fall along the beta spectrum for sure.

For years, whenever they'd play reruns of the show on TV they weren't allowed to play the original music because of copyright issues. A couple years ago, they finally released a legitimate (as opposed to bootleg) collection of the entire series on DVD/Blu-Ray complete with original soundtrack. I know "The Wonder Years" is currently streaming on Netflix, but I've not had the chance to watch it on there yet, so I can't confirm whether or not it has the original soundtrack. Can anyone else shed light on this?
 

puckerman

Ostrich
LeoneVolpe said:
The argument that Kevin was "beta" doesn't make Paul an "alpha". Even if Paul was "beta-plus" he would still fall along the beta spectrum for sure.

I never said Paul was an alpha. But he was closer to alpha than Kevin ever was.

I remember one completely idiotic episode in which Karen decides to give up her room. She was their older sister and had a room all to herself. Of course, they end up fighting over it, even though they both admit that they want to be in separate rooms. It's hard to guess which one was the bigger beta--Kevin or Wayne.

Kevin also would pick fights with all of Winnie's boy friends, but he hardly ever made any effort to get with another girl.
 

LostChapter

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Louis Litt from Suits.

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He has always been a beta in the show but recently he leveled up to cuck.

Met a woman (7.5) fell in love, found out she has an open relationship, continued to fall deeper, boyfriend comes over and they bang, tells Louis shes pregnant and it's not his, after thinking on it he says he will raise another mans child because he loves her.

What a load of bullshit.
 

CRR

Kingfisher
I haven't seen a lot of these shows, so I can't speak to the details, but I certainly agree that any time a guy gets back together with a woman who gets fucked by some other guy is a total loser.

I remember bringing this up in another thread regarding the movie Crazy, Stupid, Love. Steve Carrell's character's wife cheats on him, yet he is portrayed as the bad guy and in the end begs her to get back together with him? Pathetic.

Regarding Sixteen Candles and The Wonder Years, the latter in particular is indeed a great show for the reasons that have been mentioned, and ages particularly well, again for the reasons mentioned.

I do want to mention Paul in TWY and Anthony Michael Hall (The Geek) in SC. Are both really 'beta'? Or are they just awkward, nerdy guys trying to do their best? AMH may have been 'The Geek', but hell, at least he tried. Likewise, Paul was an overt nerd, but I recall him at least trying with girls and often standing up for himself.

I bring this up mainly because I listen to how many of the women I work with and who are in my extended social circle talk about men. They are so unforgiving with men (unless he has $$ of course), conveniently overlooking their own shortcomings. It is fun though to listen to these aging harpies, with their sagging skin, expanding asses, and shitty attitudes, act as if their mediocre jobs make them a ten. Yet I witness more than a few men, who have committed the crime of being either not tall, don't make a small fortune and/or being slightly awkward, yearn for the affection of a pleasant, fit woman. More than a few have come to me for advice, and I always tell them to maintain their fitness and finances, and be as assertive as possible. But it's not in everyone's nature to do so, and often requires persistence and determination that can be draining. Women don't have to worry about this. All they have to do is not eat like a fucking hippo, be pleasant, and then show up.

Point is, not everyone can be 'alpha'. Some guys are just awkward, nerdy, not the physically strongest, etcetera. Yet they manage to do the best they can with the cards they were dealt with, and learn social skills through trial and error. Even then, they don't turn out to be James Bond, but can still obviously succeed in life. So yes, a guy is certainly 'beta' if he gets back together with a woman who cucks him. That should be the definition of beta, not a guy who is just the socially awkward nerd.
 

CRR

Kingfisher
I Love You Man was on the other night. I've seen it before, it has it's moments.

What stuck out to me was in the main group of women there was the annoying friend who was always complaining about being single. I thought this was interesting because to me this would be an example of a beta woman, if there was such a thing.

It seems like every group of women has this friend, the one that's certainly not a circus freak nor even overweight really. But also unpleasant to be around and not as attractive or funny as her friends think she is, at least certainly not from a man's perspective. And always available.
 

Rhyme or Reason

 
Banned
South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

The simpsons - clever and hilarious (during it's prime)

south park - why not come into the living room and smack me in the head with a a hammer? It would be about as funny and just as subtle.

Same goes for these super hero shows my brother watches, like Arrow. All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

I don't need idealized fantasy characters to represent something to look up to, I find more down to earth characters more appealing and there's none of the above on modern TV shows.

Bring back Al Bundy and Jefferson.
 

Latinopan

Hummingbird
Mr. Robot, the main character is portrayed as a guy who does not give a fuck about anybody, but from the first episode he goes into a crusades to hacks some guy because he was married and also dating a female doctor, he even fake some underage sexting against him and force him to tell the doctor the true.

Second episode he is in total captain save a hoe mode, some junky girl living in his apartment is dating some bad boy drug and gun dealer, he arrives at her apartment and find the bad boy sitting in the her living in underwear, she is locked in her bathroom and he spends time trying to open the door to find out if she is ok, after some conversation with the bad boy boyfriend he opens the door and find her in the bathtub with a scar in her face.

Same in the movie Jumper, the character has teleportation powers and has a nice life, he can just teleport to anywhere in the world, he wants some money? he just teleport to a bank safe get all the money he wants, at one part he is watching some news about flood in some part of the world and he ignores it, again, he is portrayed as a guy who does not give a fuck about anybody but himself.

But he completely goes insane when he encounters his former high school female friend working in a bar, he totally destroy his life and the life of a fellow guy with the same super power for this girl.

This is a common theme in movies, and TV shows, a guy is presented as a guy who does not care about anybody else but himself, but he destroy his life and everybody else trying to safe some girl, especially if the girl is dating some bad boy.
 

TigerMandingo

 
Banned
Red_Pillage said:
South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

Wish I could like this post 10 times. Yes! David Chase of The Sopranos even said that he tried to build a show which didn't assume the audience were fucking retards who needed plot details handed to them on a platter.
 

WestIndianArchie

Peacock
Gold Member
@Latinopan

Agreed.

It goes back to the social narrative that everything we as men do in life is for the right woman. A woman's "love" is everything.

It's basically how they continue to ruin James Bond.

Not that putting your life on the line for country (or God) is much better, it serves elite interests, but at least you're not over valuing the prize.

Imagine a red pill movie in 2016. Man is chilling, runs into issue, solves issue, and he bangs any and every chick irrespective of the plot.

His happy ending is putting the cackling threesome in an uber, as he returns to his mansion to crack open a beer.

WIA
 

Thersites

Kingfisher
TigerMandingo said:
Red_Pillage said:
South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

Wish I could like this post 10 times. Yes! David Chase of The Sopranos even said that he tried to build a show which didn't assume the audience were fucking retards who needed plot details handed to them on a platter.

The assumption of idiot audience is a cultural thing in the arts in my experience. One time in a college production, I ask about character action involving light cue and was rebuke that I should assume the audience is stupid. This notion is also stupid in this day and age with people discussing scenes on youtube, message broads, comment sections or reddit about there favorite entertainment.
 

Latinopan

Hummingbird
WestIndianArchie said:
@Latinopan

Agreed.

It goes back to the social narrative that everything we as men do in life is for the right woman. A woman's "love" is everything.

It's basically how they continue to ruin James Bond.

Not that putting your life on the line for country (or God) is much better, it serves elite interests, but at least you're not over valuing the prize.

Imagine a red pill movie in 2016. Man is chilling, runs into issue, solves issue, and he bangs any and every chick irrespective of the plot.

His happy ending is putting the cackling threesome in an uber, as he returns to his mansion to crack open a beer.

WIA

It also give women the illusion they can "fix" a bad boy, he just do it for the right woman.

James Bond fighting for his country is not bad when you have a sense of pride and identify in the population country, but with no go zones and Sharia courts in UK James Bond is fighting for what exactly?
 

Serious Sam

Woodpecker
Gold Member
This fucking asshole from Saving Private Ryan. He makes the climactic battle nearly unbearable as he lets his fellow men down and gets them killed.

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Kona

Crow
Gold Member
Meat Head said:
Johnny Sac from the Sopranos. Faithful to a fat wife and throwing a hissy fit when said fat wife is insulted.

That's correct.

How about when he runs from the FBI and falls in the snow, or cries at his daughters wedding? He's a pussy.

Aloha!
 
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