Beta makes death threats when he is dumped for Obi Wan Kenobi

[Rhyme or Reason]

I see dudes doing this all of the time and it makes my blood boil. Have a friend who just hit 40 and dumped her boyfriend of 10 years. Ten fucking years because he was too much of a pussy to propose to her. Not only was she a looker even in her early 30s, she wanted children, and was too afraid to leave him after 2 years when it was apparent the guy was too much of a pussy to commit.

So then she's equally responsible for not dumping him. If he's 'too much of a pussy to commit', she's 'too fucking stupid to realize that and act in her own interests'.

No disrespect, but this sounds like a white knighting knee-jerk reaction to this situation. You are placing the blame entirely on him when you know full well she was a willing party there and is capable of making her own decisions.

Unfortunately, it would be impossible to reach McGregor, since he's surrounded by a passel of bodyguards and yes men. That's not Alpha. That's being a pampered pussy. Take away the bodyguards and their guns and muscles and let's see whose wife he steals. Maybe this guy couldn't take him on, but I'll bet he could raise some money and pay someone to do it.

For the bolded portion, if you're going to say Mcgregor isn't alpha because of his bodyguards, then soyboy using hired goons to enact his revenge would be equally non-alpha. All else being equal, McGregor out alpha'd soyboy. It's cut and dry. I'll take it a step further and say that hiring goons to beat someone up because they hurt your feelings is entirely BETA when compared to hiring bodyguards to protect you from jealous hubbies (for the sake of this example, anyway).


To those arguing about what behavior 'is alpha' and what 'isn't really alpha':

If it gets the pussy wet, it's alpha. End of. The rest is male hamstering.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

What he needed to do was round up a posse and give "actor" Ewan McGregor the beatdown of his life. I'll take it a step further: The law should give men some degree of leeway to do this.

Reminds me of a story I read the other day:

"In 1815 John Lewis served as a soldier at the Battle of Waterloo. The story goes that he returned home from Belgium and was working in the fields when he saw dusky Sarah and the Woods walking near by.  John was smitten by her, but both families opposed the marriage. Finally, the Woods agreed under two conditions. Firstly, John had to fight for Sarah, bare-knuckled, against a cousin who also loved her. Secondly, he had to provide them with potatoes, dairy food (pre-soy) and barrels of beer. John managed to fell the cousin and supply the produce so the couple were able to marry.  Eventually, they had eight children."

But if you are going to go out of your way...

 

[RedPillUK]

To those arguing about what behavior 'is alpha' and what 'isn't really alpha':

If it gets the pussy wet, it's alpha. End of. The rest is male hamstering.

I agree. The ideas of alpha and beta are used to describe of animals too, therefore they have nothing to do with concepts of morality.

There's no need to say, 'that's not alpha' or "a real alpha would do ... " or "In my opinion an alpha should... "

If you want to go down that route, you could just say "A man worthy of respect would ... " or "doing that is bad for society because of x".

 

[Paracelsus]

His new woman looks great, but this is not an optimal situation for a father of 4, his kids and his ex-wife are going to resent him. Life is about choices and trade-off, he traded in his family for a hot new woman, it's a choice that he might come to regret later in life.

I hear what your saying, and being resented by your kids is something he doesn't want (I'm assuming). But who gives a flying fuck what his ex-wife thinks?

Is he living his life for him or for her? Should he stay married to someone who no longer gets his dick hard? Who no longer makes him happy?

The short answer: yes.

The reason: he has four children to set an example for.

Including two daughters, god help us all. Wikipedia doesn't have any details on their ages, but given the length of the marriage the odds are good they're in their late teens or early twenties, i.e. still in the stupid part of their lives where they unconsciously look at what their father does to their mother as what they are likely to get from their lovers or husbands.

Once you have kids, by definition you are no longer living your life for you; you are living your life for them.

 

[The Beast1]

I see dudes doing this all of the time and it makes my blood boil. Have a friend who just hit 40 and dumped her boyfriend of 10 years. Ten fucking years because he was too much of a pussy to propose to her. Not only was she a looker even in her early 30s, she wanted children, and was too afraid to leave him after 2 years when it was apparent the guy was too much of a pussy to commit.

So then she's equally responsible for not dumping him. If he's 'too much of a pussy to commit', she's 'too fucking stupid to realize that and act in her own interests'.

No disrespect, but this sounds like a white knighting knee-jerk reaction to this situation. You are placing the blame entirely on him when you know full well she was a willing party there and is capable of making her own decisions.

I had a reply written up, but Leonard's is more succint:

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Women are fully fledged humans. They are capable of independent thought. A man has no responsibility to plot out not only his own life, but the life of every woman he deigns to hook into a LTR.
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Man. Have you even been reading this forum?

Anyway, some dude tapping the same ass for ten years without creating a family is just a lazy piece of shit. There's no sugar coating that. Are you telling me that her pussy was just so sweet that despite not wanting to commit he just couldn't find a better sloot to bang?

There's three words that sum the dude who stays with a girl for more than a couple of years without making babies or bouncing.

"Mother with benefits."

 

[Going strong]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

There's a difference between loving daddy and loving daddy's money.

I can only speculate about your own family issues, and I mean no offence by that. Why you would suggest that a child's love is bought with trinkets rather than earned with care and guidance is beyond me.

These Hollywood celebs are not raising children that will dote on them when they get old and infirm. Who will sit by their side as cancer slowly takes them. They won't be thinking "I can cheer pop's up by bringing him some of his favourite candy, given that he sent me on all those trips and bought me all that stuff while he was on set, utterly ignoring me."

I've seen parents who pour money into their kids rather than time. The kids are invariably entitled fuckwits who utterly revile their parents as being "those annoying people I have to pretend to like if I want a new car."

All the average guy sees is the loving selfie as little Becky kisses pops on the cheek the second he hands her the keys. Five minutes later she's asking "you gave me a car but you're too cheap to pay the registration? Like, what fucking difference does a few hundred bucks make?"

 

[911]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

Have you been around rich people? Ever hear of the expression "poor little rich girl"? No amount of material comfort can make up for the emotional void of a child who grows up with a mother dumped by her husband. In addition to their own jilted feelings, their mother will transmit her pain to them.

Besides, they're going to get half his money plus support, so they won't grow up poor or in need for his money.

 

[Filbert]

So stupid, if you're gonna live with a chick why the hell would you NOT give her kids? .

I'm not saying having kids is a bad idea, but I do think it needs to be a joint commitment rather than something done to keep a girl happy. It can become an unhappy situation very quickly.

I agree with this. Why give her kids? Kids is what often breaks up families. Also, why subject your wife to pregnancy and being torn in child-birth? Many women are seriously damaged mentally and physically as a result of bearing kids, which often leads to divorce. And it certainly would not make her happy. Feck kids.

 

[king bast]

So stupid, if you're gonna live with a chick why the hell would you NOT give her kids? .

I'm not saying having kids is a bad idea, but I do think it needs to be a joint commitment rather than something done to keep a girl happy. It can become an unhappy situation very quickly.

I agree with this. Why give her kids? Kids is what often breaks up families. Also, why subject your wife to pregnancy and being torn in child-birth? Many women are seriously damaged mentally and physically as a result of bearing kids, which often leads to divorce. And it certainly would not make her happy.
In other words, fuck kids. ))

Without kids, there is no family to break up.

It's just a fleeting arrangement between 2 people, with nothing to hold it together, and no potential for anything greater to grow from it.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

...

Anyway, this story is a perfect example of all the Red Pill truths we know here at RVF: Hypergamy, Betas always get dropped for the Alphas, Beta responds to heartbreak with childish tantrums, Post Wall woman enters depression and man hating state.

You can't really use McGregor, the top male actor in the UK today, as some kind of a normal baseline for marital behavior. The guy was apparently a player who tried out the family thing for 22 years then reverted to his default.

His new woman looks great, but this is not an optimal situation for a father of 4, his kids and his ex-wife are going to resent him. Life is about choices and trade-offs, he traded in his family for a hot new woman, it's a choice that he might come to regret later in life.

Please - Ewan McGregor had a long stable relationship during the entire childhood years of his kids.

One of his daughters:

His children are in the late teens or grown up.

By Hollywood standards McGregor is a saint. Also he traded her in for a woman who is also not overly interested in the biggest carousel fish on the block. She dated a man who had soyboy written all over him - he could make soyboy commercials. She was willing to still fuck him for years.

Frankly the actress could lose a few pounds, but seems to be relatively intelligent. That they would fuck filming Fargo is one thing, but that McGregor would have an actual relationship is another thing. My guess is that it really clicked between them.

And no - McGregor won't be regretting anything. And his children will be fine. His wife is another matter, but that is the problem with all women who marry high-value men. They have struck the hypergamy jackpot, but there is countless younger hotter pussy breathing down their necks wanting to take away their prize.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

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One of his daughters:

...

I don't even want to makeapp that pic.

That's just about as close to a 10 face as nature is capable of providing.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I think the biggest mishap with the marriage is frankly the fact that his wife was 5 years older than him!

If she were 41 instead of 51, then they might still be together, but a 46yo top-list actor being married to a woman 5 years older than him? It's a testament to his character that they remained together for 22 years. And all the guys her speaking in presumptuous manner that "He shouldn't have done this" - for those guys I recommend taking some humble pills and considering how long they would remain married while thousands of girls who look like McGregor's daughter throw themselves at you at every opportunity. You only know how strong you are if you are met with that level of seduction that you face each and every day.

Sexual harassment my day - McGregor probably got "harassed" hundreds of times with women grabbing his dick without asking. Walk a mile in his shoes and then come back here again.

 

[Geomann180]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

I'm the baby of my family, so out of four kids, I grew up with the most money, but least amount of time spent with my Father, as he went from military to industry.

I'd gladly trade with my brother - all the extra money I was a beneficiary of, for more time with my Father. Had I not spent a lot of time with him in highschool, it'd be a wonder I'd get along with him much at all today.

G

 

[Going strong]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

There's a difference between loving daddy and loving daddy's money.

I can only speculate about your own family issues, and I mean no offence by that. Why you would suggest that a child's love is bought with trinkets rather than earned with care and guidance is beyond me.

You didn't carefully read my post. I am referring to 21st century kids, this brand new generation.

I maintain that this new generation will be the most materialistic ever, it's obvious, and will love nothing more than money.

You are welcome though to keep a romantic idea of the beautiful 20th century family. But, have you not noticed that the new kids and teens are only interested in toys, smartphones, gifts, material things? Have you seen the new generation in churches, or reading intelligent books (or reading anything)?

The world we live in has a master, money. Intelligence and kindness are values that used to be preeminent, but have been displaced by the sheer power of money (and bullshit social media, that's another thing), in the minds of the young generation.

And giving it more thought... it is actually normal to love a father who give you lots of money in his will, or give you a brand new car at 18 to chase top-pussy.

Because if the father has this kind of money to give you, it means, the father has been careful and wise, has saved money for his children, has not spent all the money with whores or in casinos.

So matter of fact, there is nothing wrong in respecting a father that has been wise, industrious and modest enough to save money for the future of his family; it is a proof of love from the hardworking, clever father.

 

[The Beast1]

Many members here are saying that the kids will be traumatized (by the divorce), and never forgive their father.

Sadly, it is more complicated than that. And sadly, truth is, the kids of this Hollywwod (or Brit? he looks Brit) actor will become teens and young adults, and then they'll LOVE their (mostly absent) father.

Why?

Because he will give or leave them (in his will) tons of money.

We live in the 21st century, my friends. On them reaching 20 years or age, this rich actor will give a luxury car to each of his 4 kids, and they will love him more than middle-class kids love a caring father with no money.

21st centuries kids will love parents who give them tons of money, a car to get pussy or holiday in Cancun or an Iphone - meanwhile, the caring but poor parents will be despised and probably hated.

There's a difference between loving daddy and loving daddy's money.

I can only speculate about your own family issues, and I mean no offence by that. Why you would suggest that a child's love is bought with trinkets rather than earned with care and guidance is beyond me.

You didn't carefully read my post. I am referring to 21st century kids, this brand new generation.

I maintain that this new generation will be the most materialistic ever, it's obvious, and will love nothing more than money.

You are welcome though to keep a romantic idea of the beautiful 20th century family. But, have you not noticed that the new kids and teens are only interested in toys, smartphones, gifts, material things? Have you seen the new generation in churches, or reading intelligent books (or reading anything)?

The world we live in has a master, money. Intelligence and kindness are values that used to be preeminent, but have been displaced by the sheer power of money (and bullshit social media, that's another thing), in the minds of the young generation.

And giving it more thought... it is actually normal to love a father who give you lots of money in his will, or give you a brand new car at 18 to chase top-pussy.

Because if the father has this kind of money to give you, it means, the father has been careful and wise, has saved money for his children, has not spent all the money with whores or in casinos.

So matter of fact, there is nothing wrong in respecting a father that has been wise, industrious and modest enough to save money for the future of his family; it is a proof of love from the hardworking, clever father.

Spoken like someone who hasn't spent any time around children.

Try volunteering at a Boys and Girls Club to see for your own eyes how fatherless children really feel. Bonus points if you do it in a rich neighborhood so you can really see how money isn't the cure all for everything.

@zelcorpian: divorce affects people differently at different ages. Young children won't outright say what's bothering them but act up. Adult children won't be affected internally, but will lash out in different ways. How do I know? Because i've seen it happen over and over again (and in my own life).

We talk about the extended adolescences on this forum ad naseum. Even women in their late teens, early 20s kids can still develop daddy issues.

 

[911]

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And no - McGregor won't be regretting anything. And his children will be fine. His wife is another matter, but that is the problem with all women who marry high-value men. They have struck the hypergamy jackpot, but there is countless younger hotter pussy breathing down their necks wanting to take away their prize.

There is a cost associated with breaking up his family that you're downplaying here, because the pursuit of "younger hotter pussy" is what it's all about from your perspective. There is a cost to him in the long term, and a huge cost to his wife, and yes, to his teenage daughters too.

 

[Going strong]

Ok, I confess that I have no children -that I know of, I mean, having quite occasionally rawdogged in Asia, who knows- (I do have nieces and nephews though, I guess video games and social media are their world) so my analysis on this thread is intellectual, not from concrete experience...

But I can't see how the (ultra pampered) McGregor's children could have the nerve to protest or hate on him.

McGregor, as pointed out here by Zelcorpion, stayed for like 2 decades with an older woman. Raised his kids until they're almost adults. Has put millions of usd in their bank accounts, and yes it hugely matters!

The children should worship such a father. Once again, McGregor could have spent his fortune with cocaine or whores, ending up broke in Vegas or ruined by Swede hookers like a basic Borg dude, instead of which he provided for the wealth of five generations of McGregors. Respect to him as an industrious, wise man who made a fortune (albeit in a rather bad industry, the movies; still it's not blood money) and passed it on to his children and their children.

It is also my History-based belief that children do not need to see a lot of their fathers. Do you know that under the French kings, the children of noblemen were sent to countryside nannies, for years, seeing their fathers (and well, even mothers) very rarely, until they reached their teens. Then the fathers took them home again, to teach them war, religious and culture stuff.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

We don't know what we don't know, and it's easy to see what we're conditioned to see. We can leave it at that.

But when it comes to breaking up a family, even in later life, nothing says "awkward" quite like thanksgiving dinner with mum, dad, and dad's new whore.

 

[911]

We don't know what we don't know, and it's easy to see what we're conditioned to see. We can leave it at that.

But when it comes to breaking up a family, even in later life, nothing says "awkward" quite like thanksgiving dinner with mum, dad, and dad's new whore.

This doesn't happen though, no thanksgiving or Xmas dinners where the ex hosts the younger arm candy. The kids have to shuttle between households for the gatherings, often reluctantly. Then you have the issues with the step-parents and siblings, rarely a good scene, lots of issues, even when things are good on the surface.