Bill Maher's Red Pill Wisdom

[Acute Angle]

Just check out who he has dated - Ann Coulter AND Arianna Huffington! This guy is nabbing the cult leader harpies of both political camps. Achievement unlocked.

I think this attests to the fact that good game neutralises ideology.

 

[Soma]

Just check out who he has dated - Ann Coulter AND Arianna Huffington! This guy is nabbing the cult leader harpies of both political camps. Achievement unlocked.

I think this attests to the fact that good game neutralises ideology.

FWIW, Arianna Huffington was a conservative commentator at the time they dated. She flip-flopped to the left around 1999.

 

[Grit]

Just check out who he has dated - Ann Coulter AND Arianna Huffington! This guy is nabbing the cult leader harpies of both political camps. Achievement unlocked.

I think this attests to the fact that good game neutralises ideology.

Props to that. I won't hold my breath, though, waiting for him to offer his idea of what 'current masculinity' should be.

He offers a clue as to what its like at the top of politics having banged coulter: one big bipartisan orgy.

 

[tenderman100]

Bill Maher alternates between red pill and at times extreme left-wing BS. For example, the episode before this one he was talking about gun control and saying the millions of American getting worked up over gun control should be more concerned that both Democrats and Republicans teamed up to silently pass a bill that allows USA government to read people's emails without a warrant. (I don't want to turn this into a gun control argument thread, just making a point here) I did feel that he was right because those people worried about government infringing on their rights by limiting assault weapons have no concern that both the parties teamed up to essentially have the right to spy on them online.

On the other hand, he is too much of a feminism supporter at times in my opinion. Another interesting that that stood out from last week's episode was that he mentioned how in California whites were going to become a minority and will be surpassed by the Hispanic population. He expressed happiness that it was happening along with Nancy Pelosi. Even if you support diversity, immigration, and all of that (which is totally fine), how can you be happy with become a minority in your own country.

Anyway, that is beside the point. He has some good episodes and points and at times you are left shaking your head at the blue pill wisdom being dispensed on the show (no pun intended).

QFT.

I think this is spot on.

Remember, Maher is a Hollywood guy, and so he is right in lockstep with the superficial leftwing horseshit that comes out of that town.

At the same time, since Hollywood views itself as so righteously anti-traditional, the red pill stuff slips right in comfortably. But the red pill stuff is grounded by the tired trope of how men are stupid -- which lines right up with the pro-feminist crap he spouts.

Couple that with his OTHER tired trope that everybody who lives in flyover country -- namely, that all of you between the Hudson River and Riverside, California are a bunch of fucking gun-toting NFL Jersey wearing yahoos...well, you have completed the recipe.

 

[speakeasy]

Another interesting that that stood out from last week's episode was that he mentioned how in California whites were going to become a minority and will be surpassed by the Hispanic population. He expressed happiness that it was happening along with Nancy Pelosi. Even if you support diversity, immigration, and all of that (which is totally fine), how can you be happy with become a minority in your own country.

I think its because most of those Hispanics will end up being Democrats. It would be interesting to see if they'd feel the same way if were right-wing Cubans taking over California.

I also think many whites on the left are mired with white guilt. Some of the more extreme ones have racial self-hatred on top of that and see the Mexican demographic takeover of California as payback for America taking the southwest from Mexico. What's laughable is you can be sure these same whites live in some affluent community behind gates far away from the Hispanic community they supposedly support. They sure as hell wouldn't put their own kids in the LA Unified School District.

 

[Exactaking]

Maher is the liberal equivlent of those right wingers like Glenn Beck who claim to be libertarian because it sounds cool, but then just regurgitate talking points for their team.

Somebody like Adam Carolla probably is closest in opinions to the RVF crowd, except I've never heard anything really red pill from him, plus isn't he married?

 

[EasyMoney]

And that's why we wind up idolizing other men who do the masculine things we're not doing: football players, soldiers, action stars who solve every problem with violence. [slide of George Bush] Tough guys who start wars for no reason. Generals who conquer ragtag armies from third world countries...these are the vessels of our outsourced masculinity.

This is the part that I think needs some more discussion.

WIA

You should read this, its kinda difficult to follow his points sometimes but its interesting:

http://public.zoob.eml.cc/becker1-2.pdf

Bill Maher is a living example of status overcoming looks.

Why? Does he bang lots of hot sluts?

I know a girl who banged him, a hot multiethnic south east asian girl with a great body. Bill has a thing for the exotic girls supposedly these days.

He cracks me up most of the time, even though he tows the bullshit liberal hollywood line a little too much on other things.

 

[Basil Ransom]

I'd say a lot of guys in the manosphere are libertarians, but I wouldn't call them traditional conservatives. The traditional conservatives are not on our side just like the liberals aren't on our side either.

I say fuck both the conservatives and liberals. They both are blue pill. One is full of white knights (conservatives) and the other is full of manboobs (liberals).

False. Mainstream conservatives are not authentic conservatives, they're more like yesterday's liberals. I never tried to classify manosphere writers according to their politics, but Dalrock and Roissy seem like traditionalist conservatives more than anything else. Plenty of posters are confused more than anything else.

What modern political philosophy endorses patriarchy? None except traditional conservatism. Many of the more mature manosphere writers enjoy the bounty of sex they're having now, but deep down they are not all that convinced that they are better off than a more traditional arrangement; even more so for the rest of society. Trouble is, that traditional arrangement is hard to come by nowadays. Even if a few men succeed at it, the small number of appropriate women ensure it's a niche strategy.

Humans are disposed towards patriarchy, in most circumstances, so it's not something that needs to be forced on the people - a libertarian form of government, at least at the national level, could easily yield a patriarchal society, as it has in the past. Our current society is propping up feminism at every level - feminized schooling, Title IX, antidiscrimination laws, gynocentric marriage laws, misandric media, etc.

 

[scorpion]

Just saw this video. Great example of the "sports star pedestalization" that a lot of guys do that Maher was talking about. Pretty pathetic to watch this guy hanging over the railing, waiting for the appearance of his favorite player, wearing his jersey and getting all dejected when he doesn't show up. It's like something a kid does. This is straight up chode behavior from a grown ass man.

 

[Tex Pro]

I'd say a lot of guys in the manosphere are libertarians, but I wouldn't call them traditional conservatives. The traditional conservatives are not on our side just like the liberals aren't on our side either.

I say fuck both the conservatives and liberals. They both are blue pill. One is full of white knights (conservatives) and the other is full of manboobs (liberals).

False. Mainstream conservatives are not authentic conservatives, they're more like yesterday's liberals. I never tried to classify manosphere writers according to their politics, but Dalrock and Roissy seem like traditionalist conservatives more than anything else. Plenty of posters are confused more than anything else.

What modern political philosophy endorses patriarchy? None except traditional conservatism. Many of the more mature manosphere writers enjoy the bounty of sex they're having now, but deep down they are not all that convinced that they are better off than a more traditional arrangement; even more so for the rest of society. Trouble is, that traditional arrangement is hard to come by nowadays. Even if a few men succeed at it, the small number of appropriate women ensure it's a niche strategy.

Humans are disposed towards patriarchy, in most circumstances, so it's not something that needs to be forced on the people - a libertarian form of government, at least at the national level, could easily yield a patriarchal society, as it has in the past. Our current society is propping up feminism at every level - feminized schooling, Title IX, antidiscrimination laws, gynocentric marriage laws, misandric media, etc.

You are right that mainstream conservatives don't truly believe in patriarchy, but when most people say "traditional conservative" they generally mean guys like Bill O'Reilly, Mike Huckabee, Sean Hannity, etc... What these types don't realize is how deeply femenism has infected all of our instititutions, as you say. It is so deep that these mainstream conservatives don't even realize that what they spout is actually a form of feminism.

Moreover, Roissy would not be well liked by mainstream conservatives. All mainstream conservatives are blue pill. They place all of the blame for the failings of the sexual marketplace on men. As Dalrock once said (I am paraphrasing): "They expect men to just 'man up' and marry these sassy, brassy careerist women."

 

[Sombro]

Maher's "wisdom" is like Charlie Sheen's. Without their fame and $$$ they'd be gameless guys buying prostitutes.

Oh wait.

 

[dk902]

And that's why we wind up idolizing other men who do the masculine things we're not doing: football players, soldiers, action stars who solve every problem with violence. [slide of George Bush] Tough guys who start wars for no reason. Generals who conquer ragtag armies from third world countries...these are the vessels of our outsourced masculinity.

This is the part that I think needs some more discussion.

WIA

WIA you should read 'The Way of Men' by Jack Donovan. That's mostly what he talks about in the book, and why men have this instinct.

We identify with it, because that's what we're born to do. To be involved in action.

 

[scorpion]

Maher's "wisdom" is like Charlie Sheen's. Without their fame and $$$ they'd be gameless guys buying prostitutes.

Oh wait.

 

[speakeasy]

Just saw this on Bill's facebook update:

Hey Chris Culliver who's afraid to shower with gays: ALL gays don 't ALWAYS fuck everything they see, you're thinking of football players

He can be right about a lot of shit but then be politically correct as well. What the hell is wrong with straight guys not wanting to shower with gays? I see that as no different from women not wanting to shower with straight men. But no one is critical about that.

 

[Teedub]

You are right that mainstream conservatives don't truly believe in patriarchy, but when most people say "traditional conservative" they generally mean guys like Bill O'Reilly, Mike Huckabee, Sean Hannity, etc...

I like the idea of traditional conservatism, and I certainly don't like those guys. The right in America is religious, usually. I'm an atheist. Lots of the ideologies of the guys you listed are coming from a religious standpoint that I can't bare.

They assume you cannot be moral without religion. Well I believe that if you're only being 'good', because you fear a supernatural power will do something to you after death, then you're not being 'good' at all! Plus they all deny evolution and that to be a sad sight to see in 2013.

Then again, there's something romantic in Tyler Durdan's Anarcho-Primitivist 'utopia' too...

I'm just rambling, I think I just wanted to point out that those guys you mentioned aren't what I have in mind when I think of traditional conservatives. In fact, Roosh has pointed out a lot of what he advocates is trad con, and I agree with most of what he advocates so I vote for Roosh. :roosh:

 

[Teedub]

He can be right about a lot of shit but then be politically correct as well. What the hell is wrong with straight guys not wanting to shower with gays? I see that as no different from women not wanting to shower with straight men. But no one is critical about that.

Yeah I've thought about that too. I've never been in a situation where I've had to shower in front of a gay person, so I don't know how I'd react. There certainly shouldn't be any objection to objections though, for the reason you stated...Although we know how it plays out...

 

[Jevioso]

Bill Maher is a pragmatist: he goes with the flow.

He was a libertarian during Clinton's administration; became a leftist during Bush's (when he got fired from the Politically Incorrect show), then went further to the left during Obama's administration. He wants to be a Carlinesque kind of Comedian, but as he admitted, he doesn't have the cynicism that Carlin had. I think to be full blown red-pill, you have to be cynical about the entire system that we currently have and joyfully await for it's collapse, since you don't rely on it and have nothing to fear.

 

[rlongo924]

In general I really do like Bill Maher. He's not really a likelable guy, but doesn't seem to care which is what I like about him, if that makes sense.

I sometimes disagree with his politics, and it's annoying how he claims to be a libertarian but pushes a strongly left-wing ideology and never will say anything positive about the republicans.

But he certainly tells it like it is for the most part, and is funny as hell as well.

 

[Gator]

Maher is the liberal equivlent of those right wingers like Glenn Beck who claim to be libertarian because it sounds cool, but then just regurgitate talking points for their team.

Somebody like Adam Carolla probably is closest in opinions to the RVF crowd, except I've never heard anything really red pill from him, plus isn't he married?

I agree. Adam Carolla is a fair comp. I don't think being married automatically disqualifies someone from being red pill though.

Never really liked Bill Maher. I mainly dislike the blending of comedy and politics you see on shows like Politically Incorrect, Real Time, Daily Show, etc. It's gotta be obnoxious to be a guest with a dissenting opinion because anytime you try to engage in an argument you just get hit with some cliche joke (like gun owners compensating for a small dick or something lame like that) and the hosts just get a cheap laugh and hide behind that. Rather than attempt to defend their position they just make snarky comments.

Now if you want to see a comedian that blended politics and comedy masterfully, watch George Carlin. Skip to about 4:00. Doesn't get much more red pill than that.

 

[InternationPlayboy]

I like Maher for the most part, but I catch myself many times thinking, "What the fuck is he talking about?"

In regards to last weeks rule, I agree with a lot of it. But his comparison to American men and sports is kind of bullshit. Have you ever been to South America?! I've lived with two Argentines, both chill ass kids. One of the only times I saw them get really furious is when Argentina or their Argentine team lose. They would literally cry! Sports are big all over the world, and it's not like American Football is any bigger than soccer in UK, Brazil, or Argentina. For Christ sakes, people were running on the field threatening players lives when River Plate played the game that got them religated. They had to stop the game because people were going so ape shit over it!