Black Mirror (Incredible TV Show)
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monster said:
What a silly statement. Not everything needs to be "inspiring" or have a catharsis. Requiem for a dream or Lilya 4-Ever, to name a few, are not and they are still amazing works. Sometimes life is not a disney movie. And art sometimes imitates live. So get over it. Also, there are very important books like 1984 and Brave new world that if I´m not mistaken (long time since I´ve read them) have not particularly uplifting endings, but are still considered classics and thought provoking.
This is exactly what Black Mirror is trying to do. To show the dangers that technology can bring on society.
Although I disagree with him, monster makes some good points. One of the reasons I love this forum is that I get to hear the opinions of highly intelligent guys who think about life as we do.
There are some members of this forum which I disagree with on a lot, but I thoroughly enjoy reading their posts. They're usually well-reasoned and are without ad-hominem aggression (the type of which is found on practically every other page of the internet)
That said though, I do feel that NOT liking this show is like the one guy at Reading Festival 2008 who didn't enjoy Rage Against the Machine
Yeah, it probably wasn't as great as the nineties, but jumping around to that for ninety minutes was fun as hell. Even a staunch Indie Kid should have been able to let his hair down (or maybe cut it?)
Also, one must understand Charlie Brooker's comedy. He is incredibly dark with his humor. White Bear/White Christmas both left me laughing out loud at the end (and smiling). Both on point with their criticisms of unquestioned axions of public opinion in this decade.
The ending of the Christmas special sees Brooker playing with his art. For me, he's moved it one way, then pushed it a bit further, then has completely rammed it in your face. Charlie Brooker is an artist, and his writing style is very enjoyable (I recommend giving his books a read)
On this series, He's been quoted as saying "this is what life could be like in ten minutes if we're not careful". I think he delivers this warning with the perfect amount of damnation, frustration and dark humour.
There are some members of this forum which I disagree with on a lot, but I thoroughly enjoy reading their posts. They're usually well-reasoned and are without ad-hominem aggression (the type of which is found on practically every other page of the internet)
That said though, I do feel that NOT liking this show is like the one guy at Reading Festival 2008 who didn't enjoy Rage Against the Machine
Yeah, it probably wasn't as great as the nineties, but jumping around to that for ninety minutes was fun as hell. Even a staunch Indie Kid should have been able to let his hair down (or maybe cut it?)
Also, one must understand Charlie Brooker's comedy. He is incredibly dark with his humor. White Bear/White Christmas both left me laughing out loud at the end (and smiling). Both on point with their criticisms of unquestioned axions of public opinion in this decade.
The ending of the Christmas special sees Brooker playing with his art. For me, he's moved it one way, then pushed it a bit further, then has completely rammed it in your face. Charlie Brooker is an artist, and his writing style is very enjoyable (I recommend giving his books a read)
On this series, He's been quoted as saying "this is what life could be like in ten minutes if we're not careful". I think he delivers this warning with the perfect amount of damnation, frustration and dark humour.
DjembaDjemba
Pelican
The show is thought provoking and discomforting. Even more so because it's so close to home.
IvanDrago said:The Christmas Special is on YouTube, I watched it this morning just to spite monster.I even laughed a few times!
Just watched it and can't praise it enough. This is the manosphere going mainstream. Clearly Charlie Brooker gets all of the Red Pill/manosphere/MRA talking points and he is presenting it in as hard-hitting a manner as possible. If this was American TV instead of British, the forum would be buzzing.
Hats off.
Charlie Brooker is obviously an excellent television writer, but he's also an SJW. Look at his snarky, badly informed articles on Gamer Gate in the Guardian for evidence.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Brooker is pro-game or anything, as I didn't get that vibe at all. In fact, I think the word "dorky" was used at one point.
But it's obvious he's done some research into it.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Brooker is pro-game or anything, as I didn't get that vibe at all. In fact, I think the word "dorky" was used at one point.
But it's obvious he's done some research into it.
^ Rawgod said:
"Just watched it and can't praise it enough. This is the manosphere going mainstream. Clearly Charlie Brooker gets all of the Red Pill/manosphere/MRA talking points and he is presenting it in as hard-hitting a manner as possible. If this was American TV instead of British, the forum would be buzzing.
Hats off."
I'd say that's implying he's pro-game/red pill.
"Just watched it and can't praise it enough. This is the manosphere going mainstream. Clearly Charlie Brooker gets all of the Red Pill/manosphere/MRA talking points and he is presenting it in as hard-hitting a manner as possible. If this was American TV instead of British, the forum would be buzzing.
Hats off."
I'd say that's implying he's pro-game/red pill.
Teedub said:
I don't think he's really on any particular team. I think it's quite possible for someone to be sympathetic to parts of the world view expressed here and hostile to others.
He clearly understands the treachery that both men and women are capable of and isn't afraid to talk about it. The Entire History of You is just down right fantastic and covers many of the topics discussed here and on Rational Male. Trickle truthing, alpha fucks beta bucks, and even the follies of trying to fight feminine nature.
It is an excellent show - especially 15 MILLION MERITS is noteworthy.
I am gonna take a look at the Christmas special with Jon Hamm.
I am gonna take a look at the Christmas special with Jon Hamm.
Teedub said:
He is definitely aware of all the issues discussed in places like this. And in Black Mirror, especially the Xmas special, he uses men's "issues", shall we say, to create the whole setup and payoff in a way that is very rare to see these days.
And actually, the male perspective is only a secondary part of it. The whole series is obviously focused on technology, and succeeds in being very thought-provoking and unsettling, as the horrific scenarios seem only one step removed from what is already our reality.
Some of the best TV I've seen in years.
15 Million Merits was commentary on consumerism, smart phone culture and online culture right?
Thanks thread starter. Black Mirror showed up on Netflix a few days ago and, though I saw toby Kebbel on the cover, I was going to pass it up until it was mentioned here. I watched the first season last night. It's amazing. Good to see nature-driven social commentary in entertainment around.
Thanks thread starter. Black Mirror showed up on Netflix a few days ago and, though I saw toby Kebbel on the cover, I was going to pass it up until it was mentioned here. I watched the first season last night. It's amazing. Good to see nature-driven social commentary in entertainment around.
I didn't take it as white knighting as much as the greater cultural propensity to debase female sexuality for profit. It's the abandonment of feminine chastity in favor of financial gain or masturbatory hedonism, even if vicariously.
That's reminiscent to how all pop stars are sexed up to the maximum in western entertainment.
That's reminiscent to how all pop stars are sexed up to the maximum in western entertainment.
turkishcandy
Kingfisher
I started watching today after I saw this thread. The Entire History of You was so red pill down to its molecules that it felt like I was reading one of Roosh's alpha-beta-themed fiction stories. 15 million merits depicted a perfect white knight, but I don't think it was criticizing or making fun of white-knightism. And The National Anthem, I have no idea what that was about. I wanna say political correctness but it seems like a long stretch.
I can't decide whether this show has a red-pill agenda or just aims being as thought-provoking as possible without any concern for a lesson. Anyway, will keep watching and leave non-spoiler feedbacks.
Thanks OP for the thread.
I can't decide whether this show has a red-pill agenda or just aims being as thought-provoking as possible without any concern for a lesson. Anyway, will keep watching and leave non-spoiler feedbacks.
Thanks OP for the thread.