Black people speaking truth about race issues

[Papaya]

I think its important to have a place to post black voices that run counter to mainstream media. While I know that they will be labeled as "sell outs" (and worse) in order to discredit them they do have a powerful advantage: they cant be dismissed as having white privilege, being racist, etc.

There are many but Id like to start with two that I recently came across and find especially compelling and timely

John McWhorters walk through is very well constructed. His point about anti racism being elevated to religion and white guilt analogous to Original Sin is brilliant


Coleman Hughes is another one I personally had never heard of until recently. Calling out the silent positive progress the media ignores is important. His analysis on "gap grievances" is eye opening as well.



There are many more (Candace Owen, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell are just a few)

 

[Easy_C]

I think it’s extremely unimportant. The right already believes that so they gain nothing except mental masturbation by listening to black conservatives affirm that what they already think is right.

The left never will be persuaded. They literally don’t give a damn. Blacks vote left because the left promises them free social status. White liberals vote left because they are cognitively feminine and have projected a mother instinct into minorities.

 

[R.G.Camara]

Until we can talk freely and openly about the black violent crime rate, we will continue to lose to the Left on the issue. So long as any mention or blame of blacks for their own crime and problems is met with shunning or loss of jobs or worse, they will continue to blame "racism" for all their issues and we will have no counter, because we cannot speak the truth.

You can't fudge your way around this. If the official dogma is "blacks don't commit crimes at higher rates than non-blacks", and we cannot challenge it, we lose. The rhetoric is set in stone.

 

[Papaya]

^ Agreed...Thats one of the issues McWhorter explicitly addresses in the video ...at 9:00

 

[jordypip23]

I think its important to have a place to post black voices that run counter to mainstream media. While I know that they will be labeled as "sell outs" (and worse) in order to discredit them they do have a powerful advantage: they cant be dismissed as having white privilege, being racist, etc.

There are many but Id like to start with two that I recently came across and find especially compelling and timely

John McWhorters walk through is very well constructed. His point about anti racism being elevated to religion and white guilt analogous to Original Sin is brilliant


Coleman Hughes is another one I personally had never heard of until recently. Calling out the silent positive progress the media ignores is important. His analysis on "gap grievances" is eye opening as well.



There are many more (Candace Owen, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell are just a few)

They're in a tough spot. Other black folk (largely on the left) will eat them up alive.

 

[tier9]

I think its important to have a place to post black voices that run counter to mainstream media. While I know that they will be labeled as "sell outs" (and worse) in order to discredit them they do have a powerful advantage: they cant be dismissed as having white privilege, being racist, etc.

How many of these people can answer why there is not one single successful country in Sub-Sahara Africa?

Surely, if the white man was so bad, there should be somewhere in Sub-Sahara Africa, where the blacks kicked out all the whites after colonization, that they could legally and willingly immigrate to so as to not have to worry about coming across a single white man ever again in their lives?

How many of these people can answer why there is not one predominately black city in America, that is not over run with crime, drugs and gangs?

How many of these people can answer what the common denominator is between London, Paris, Brussels, Memphis, St Louis or Atlanta? What makes large parts of these cities complete and utter shitholes?

How many of these people can admit that's it's pretty nice living a white majority neighborhood, a white majority region and a white majority country?

If any of them can admit the last question to themselves, then how many of them have the balls to say the white country that they're living in should remain majority white?

See, this is the problem with these people. For over half a century now, blacks have blamed their problems on anything and everything but themselves. It's always the white man's fault, or slavery's fault, or colonialism's fault. The problems and dysfunctions that blacks and Africans bring to every single place that they reside in in large numbers, is never their own fault, it's always somebody else's fault.

Let's take a look at Candace Owens. Apparently it's leftism and democrats that are the problem:



I wonder, and perhaps Candace Owens could help me out, as to why a very liberal country like Iceland is not a shithole right now? Why did socialism work pretty damn good in Scandinavia, before they were flooded with migrants?

I want to know, and please somebody let me know, what whites could have done better to help black people out here in America?

Whites fought the bloodiest war in American history during the Civil War, and as a result the black slaves were freed.

That was not enough.

We give them Affirmative Action and Diversity Quotas in the workplace, where whites will discriminate against other whites so that blacks can get jobs, even if a white person is more qualified to do the job, just so that the black community can try to get ahead in life.

This is not enough.

We give them scholarships on the racial level to universities, just for being black, while denying the same scholarships on the basis of race to whites.

That is not enough.

We let them organize on the racial level politically, socially and economically, while denying ourselves those very same rights.

That is not enough.

And you know what the biggest red pill is, in all of this? Is that nothing that the European stock has done, is doing, or will ever do, will ever be good enough for these people.

While Candace Owens can blame what's going on right now on leftism and democrats, many others are waking up and are no longer afraid to voice their opinions on this matter.







I think at this point, the best thing to do here in America is to give blacks a prime piece of American real estate, proportionate to their population numbers, and let them have at it. They can run their own country and have their own police, while governing and educating their own. They won't have to worry about white privilege, about being suppressed minorities, about being on the receiving end of white racism. They can be 100% responsible for themselves. Conservatives like Candace Owens and the other people that OP listed can go to this new territory and turn it into a thriving, first world country where whites and blacks can now be friendly neighbors, instead of pointlessly continuing the charade of an abusive marriage that we've been in for quite some time.

 

[Athanasius]

Until we can talk freely and openly about the black violent crime rate, we will continue to lose to the Left on the issue. So long as any mention or blame of blacks for their own crime and problems is met with shunning or loss of jobs or worse, they will continue to blame "racism" for all their issues and we will have no counter, because we cannot speak the truth.

You can't fudge your way around this. If the official dogma is "blacks don't commit crimes at higher rates than non-blacks", and we cannot challenge it, we lose. The rhetoric is set in stone.

It was really in listening to Colin Flaherty over the past few years that I realized how I was being dishonest with myself and others. You don't treat others like men when you patronize them and treat them like infants. Some blacks tolerate compliant, cheerleader whites to achieve political goals, but at some level they have contempt for them as well. They don't trust them and still see them as afflicted with "whiteness."

I'd like to see the right stop using the meaningless word "racist" in favor of more Biblical terms like "hating your brother." It's a word that is a mindless club used to smack people around. When you hear the word being used liberally, it's a good indicator of someone without an argument who thrives on cant and equivocation.

 

[Papaya]

@Uprising Uhhh...If you'd have bothered to watch either of the videos in the OP you could have saved yourself a lot of time writing a long rant into the prevailing wind

 

[Pooch32]

I think at this point, the best thing to do here in America is to give blacks a prime piece of American real estate, proportionate to their population numbers, and let them have at it. They can run their own country and have their own police, while governing and educating their own. They won't have to worry about white privilege, about being suppressed minorities, about being on the receiving end of white racism. They can be 100% responsible for themselves. Conservatives like Candace Owens and the other people that OP listed can go to this new territory and turn it into a thriving, first world country where whites and blacks can now be friendly neighbors, instead of pointlessly continuing the charade of an abusive marriage that we've been in for quite some time.

100% correct. In fact this was already done during the segregation era and worked pretty well. Look up the Black Wall Streets. They were thriving black areas with black businesses and a black elite. The Cathedral of Leftism must be toppled first though.

 

[R.G.Camara]

It was really in listening to Colin Flaherty over the past few years that I realized how I was being dishonest with myself and others. You don't treat others like men when you patronize them and treat them like infants. Some blacks tolerate compliant, cheerleader whites to achieve political goals, but at some level they have contempt for them as well. They don't trust them and still see them as afflicted with "whiteness."

I'd like to see the right stop using the meaningless word "racist" in favor of more Biblical terms like "hating your brother." It's a word that is a mindless club used to smack people around. When you hear the word being used liberally, it's a good indicator of someone without an argument who thrives on cant and equivocation.

Blacks keep acting like infants who like being patronized at, which is why the corporate left and right do it. They need to act like men and women and not like baboons in a rap video. And if they keep acting like the latter, they should be treated as such.

I'll take 100-hate filled Elijah Muhammeds who nonetheless preach to blacks that they should be self-sufficient and act in civilized, moral ways and take responsibility for their own crime rates and abandoning of children over one Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson who blame everything on whitey and cause riots and then demand payment or else they'll be another riot.

As more than a few un-pc black leaders have stated, strict segregation allowed blacks to build their own businesses, because blacks were only allowed to patronize black businesses. This led to a larger black middle class and a more solid family structure. IIRC Elijah Muhammed himself has called for segregation, although he is more about keeping non-blacks out of black communities.

 

[R.G.Camara]

100% correct. In fact this was already done during the segregation era and worked pretty well. Look up the Black Wall Streets. They were thriving black areas with black businesses and a black elite. The Cathedral of Leftism must be toppled first though.

The Native American reservation system has kept most Native Americans unhostile to their conquerors, because they have a lot of autonomy in their tribal lands (e.g. casinos). It might work for blacks.

Of course, I'd prefer repatriation to a reservation. Unlike Native Americans, blacks are owed no such land grant today. We paid for their freedom in the blood of 620,000 dead Americans. They should be sent back to West Africa with a healthy check for their trip in return for renunciation of their American citizenship.

(((Certain people))) would oppose this ferociously.

 

[Pooch32]

As more than a few un-pc black leaders have stated, strict segregation allowed blacks to build their own businesses, because blacks were only allowed to patronize black businesses. This led to a larger black middle class and a more solid family structure. IIRC Elijah Muhammed himself has called for segregation, although he is more about keeping non-blacks out of black communities.

Segregation protected black businesses and workers from white competition. Desegregation was the worst thing whites did to the black community in the history of America.

 

[R.G.Camara]

Segregation protected black businesses and workers from white competition. Desegregation was the worst thing whites did to the black community in the history of America.

That, the welfare state, open borders, and NAFTA.

As is rather famous, Korean immigrants quickly came to dominate the black hair care industry, putting black shops out of business. On the West coast, they also took over selling liquor in black neighborhoods. Those famous "Rooftop Koreans" shooting looters during the 1992 LA Riots were protecting the black hair care businesses and black-neighborhood liquor stores they owned and operated.

 

[R.G.Camara]

Segregation protected black businesses and workers from white competition. Desegregation was the worst thing whites did to the black community in the history of America.

And "sexual desegregation" hurt black communities a lot.

As interracial romance was pushed and sex became casual, black women found themselves on the very bottom of everyone's list. Previously, that would have mattered little, as black men would've been forced to mate/ marry black women, and not sleep around as much, as the mores were stricter.

Now, a good looking or talented black man can avoid marrying or mating black women entirely if he wishes, and have casual sex with the white or yellow women he covets. No, black men are not preferred by non-black women, who prefer their own races by far, but enough non-black women have an interest in some black men, especially the virtue signalers or the sluts who want to get notches from various categories, that it creates a far larger market than in the segregation days.

Meanwhile, black women can find no such outlet, as most non-black men avoid them. The deregulated sexual market place is cruel.

In the 1940s, even the ugliest, loudest, fattest black woman could be assured that, when she was young, at least some black man would take an interest in her, court her, and offer her some form of companionship. Now, the most she can hope for is getting knocked up by a guy drunk or high at a club, who will likely not ever want to see her again.

 

[Pooch32]

Of course, I'd prefer repatriation to a reservation. Unlike Native Americans, blacks are owed no such land grant today. We paid for their freedom in the blood of 620,000 dead Americans. They should be sent back to West Africa with a healthy check for their trip in return for renunciation of their American citizenship.

Also a good option for them. Been done before with the creation of Liberia which was a successful state until they succumbed to local genetic admixture and leftist ideology, and the place went to your normal African hell hole. Could also just emigrate them to various African countries that apparently are more than willing to receive them.

"This is your home — come here and make it yours": Ghana encourages African Americans to visit as part of the "Year of Return" campaign

"To me there's no such thing as a black woman in Ghana; I am a woman in Ghana. We are all black," said American Lakeshia Ford.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Aboulia]

This thread is just a really long winded way to say "Good fences make good neighbours"

 

[Easy_C]

Linking AGAIN because people need to break out of this mindset:

Unproductive: Trying to persuade or alter the psychology of either white or POC leftists. The 40% “black approval” of Trump made zero difference in voting.

Productive: Discussing potential ways to find an equitable, fair solution that stops the people in a “gimme dat” mentality from wrecking civilization while allowing those who are a positive contribution to participate and be rewarded for their work.

 

[R.G.Camara]

Also a good option for them. Been done before with the creation of Liberia which was a successful state until they succumbed to local genetic admixture and leftist ideology, and the place went to your normal African hell hole. Could also just emigrate them to various African countries that apparently are more than willing to receive them.

"This is your home — come here and make it yours": Ghana encourages African Americans to visit as part of the "Year of Return" campaign

"To me there's no such thing as a black woman in Ghana; I am a woman in Ghana. We are all black," said American Lakeshia Ford.

www.cbsnews.com

My idea would be repatriation for "reparation"---we pay West African nations to take them and make them citizens, provided our blacks renounce their American citizenship. Then we build some housing in these nations for the blacks and gift it to them individually, while paying them a monthly "reparation" stipend---equivalent to what they get on welfare here each month. All payment stops upon death.

It's Foreign Aid at that point.

The hardest part would be selling it on a mass scale. True black leaders would jump at it and push for it, but (((certain people))) and black hucksters would be against it, and fight hard against it.

Renouncing citizenship would be an absolute must. They cannot come back. And if they have children, they must renounce for the children as well. This is a one-way ticket.

 

[R.G.Camara]

Linking AGAIN because people need to break out of this mindset:

Unproductive: Trying to persuade or alter the psychology of either white or POC leftists. The 40% “black approval” of Trump made zero difference in voting.

Productive: Discussing potential ways to find an equitable, fair solution that stops the people in a “gimme dat” mentality from wrecking civilization while allowing those who are a positive contribution to participate and be rewarded for their work.

Trump tries to reach out to blacks not for the black vote, but for the white woman and milquetoast male vote. They abhor "racism", but if they see Trump being nice to blacks they will be ok voting for him because he's not "racist."

 

[Pooch32]

Trump tries to reach out to blacks not for the black vote, but for the white woman and milquetoast male vote. They abhor "racism", but if they see Trump being nice to blacks they will be ok voting for him because he's not "racist."

Trump got 15% of black males or something in 2016. If he can get that up even a few more percentage points without losing any of the white vote, Biden has no chance.