Black people speaking truth about race issues

[Ironside]

It's literally 'muh based black man'. I don't care anymore. Cool there's like...1-2% that aren't race baintingly retarded. Whoop de fucking doo 98% of them are, and like 5% of those will walk up and shoot some 3 year old white baby in the face.

Wrong narrative? US mainstream media mum on murder of 5yo white boy allegedly shot by black man in his own front yard

The story of a 5-year-old North Carolina boy who reportedly was killed when a man ran up to him and shot him in the head for no known reason apparently was not compelling enough to merit US mainstream media coverage.

www.rt.com

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

The Republicans should have been running campaigns like this for at least the last ten years. There are so many angle to shred The Dems with, but they never use them. Primarily, "Dems, why are all the problems you claim to have the solution for found most in the areas you have controlled for the longest?" But they prefer running people like this pandering to liberals by boasting about their binder-women:

 

[Ranch100]

duplicate: posted a second time in BLM crime stats thread. Apologies

 

[Mr Freedom]

Hahaha, I'm 99% sure he ain't Jewish. When I did my DNA test from a drug testing company in 2013 there was like 2% jewish DNA i had (likely coming from my German heritage) and even then I can't stand that fact. Anyhow, yeah @Papaya , I like jlp , dudes solid. In an ideal world If there was a balkanized ethnostate, he would need to be the leader of the black demographics cuz he reminds me of my paw paw that didn't "put up with no sh**"

There is no such thing

 

[Fortis]

An interesting thread. I occasionally lurk but I don't often have much to add. I will say this:

I know many of you guys know me, but for the newer guys, I'm Black American and I don't say any of this out of bitterness or defeat. That really isn't my style.

Ultimately, I think the fate of Black people in America is to be constantly misled by whatever nonsense MSM throws out there. We lack the cohesion or the political clout to really take control of our image. I do think we're trending more positively thank we have been in decades and when I go home things look better in my shithole city. I feel safer walking around than I have in years. The downtown area actually has Black businesses making moves. It's rather surreal.

I'm not quite sold on moving back home and being a part of what's going on, but I try not to be too harsh.

As far as more intelligent Black voices go, I'm a big fan of Glen Loury, John McWhorter, and Thomas Sowell. I like that they're technically what would have been considered Liberal decades ago but are considered far right because of the strange political drift that has occurred with time. I was having a conversation with some current and former RVF members about this recently.

I think Candace Owens is obnoxious and not very intelligent. She's a bit like Ben Shapiro. She's a masterful troll, but her actual discourse is often lacking anything other than repetitive "hot takes" and snarky nonsense.

I'd like for her to actually get more serious. She's good fun if you've never heard a black person speak that way, but she has really worn out her welcome and strikes me as an actual coon. She's only put on because so few black people are willing to say what she says, but she's clearly just dancing for a few dollars.

The reason I say that is because guys like Loury, McWhorter and Sowell stick to the facts. These three guys could easily be at the top if they were willing to compromise their ethics more.

They don't need to point out that they're Black or make stupid hot takes because they actually come from strong academic backgrounds and truly had to fight their way to the top. They did it before AA and were so talented that they were not gonna be denied. Candace is the Great Value version of these three guys and really should not get the air time that she gets. I cringe whenever someone asks me if I am familiar with her vapid ass.

 

[Easy_C]

That’s a good way of describing Candace. She’s very obviously grifting and tends to just pander to whatever is trendy at the moment.

The encouraging trend I am seeing is more rational voices like Hodge Twins (cringe a bit from me) and Big Herc getting significant traction. The instinct here is still very identitarian but it’s based on a much more intelligent and observant cognition that allows them to notice aspects like how BLM is anti- black male and black family.

 

[Fortis]

The Hodge Twins are ultra cringe, but I like big Herc a lot. I get that the Twins like to argue using absurdity but I'm a grown ass man, I don't need them to coddle me with humor when they could just get straight to the point.

Her: He's genuinely a good dude who took control of his life and got on the right path. I can't really hate on him at all. To think that guy went from petty crime to serious crime to pornstar and then rehabilitated himself is quite impressive. Aside from being swole, I would not pin him for a guy who spent a quarter of his life behind bars. Really inspiring guy.

I like the quality of his guests and I can't help but Like Herc as well. He toes an interesting line between glorifying the prison life while also warning people away from it. I guess it's paradoxical but as much as he hates prison it contributed to him getting his shit together and becoming the resource that he is today.

I'd say he's kind of like a Black Joe Rogan. There's a lot of Black people who won't listen to a Joe Rogan podcast, but will listen to Fresh Out and get good info that way. I'm always really interested when he has former prisoners who became rich or influential after getting themselves together. Those stories are important.

 

[tier9]

Ultimately, I think the fate of Black people in America is to be constantly misled by whatever nonsense MSM throws out there. We lack the cohesion or the political clout to really take control of our image. I do think we're trending more positively thank we have been in decades and when I go home things look better in my shithole city. I feel safer walking around than I have in years. The downtown area actually has Black businesses making moves. It's rather surreal.

I'm not quite sold on moving back home and being a part of what's going on, but I try not to be too harsh.

I'm a white American, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.

I think the fate of black Americans, at least the Heritage Stock ones (which are the vast majority of the ones in the US), is to have their whole identity based on something that ended about 150 years ago. And that is being pushed by the same people who make the Holocaust the Jewish diaspora's entire identity. As if blacks aren't more than slaves. Or as if Jews aren't more than the Holocaust. For whites, what's being pushed on us is the original sin of "whiteness", as if whites aren't more than Colonization or more than German history from the time of 1933 - 1945. Same people pushing that crap on us are the same ones who are pushing that crap onto you.

The sad thing is, we all eat this shit up by and large. Not all of us, no, but a damn good percentage of us do. It's sad that so many people's identities are written by a select few group of people who care nothing about us, the plebs, and only about the extreme power that they hold onto with their cabal racketeering outfit that's been going on for centuries now.

That being said, I disagree that that blacks don't have the cohesion or political clout to take control of your image. Every other race except whites are allowed to organize in America on the political level (with Pacs), the economic level and social level. But black Americans are given heavy preferential treatment in both the political and social arenas, and are vastly over represented in ALL forms of media. Blacks make up about 12%-15% of the American population, as they have since the 1700's, and yet you are hard pressed to find a TV show, news channel, sports channel or movie without at least 1 black person featured but most of the times, with blacks making up 50% of the on screen time.

That is vastly over represented and while blacks do have many things to complain about, being featured in a positive and prominent way in American society to portray a positive image of you guys is not one of them. How many times you see a black man represented as masculine, who is good with women and lifts and is popular, basically a red pilled man, versus a white man who plays the dork, hasn't lifted a weight in his life or is heavily obese and cucks himself out half the time and makes himself look dumb trying to "appeal" to the black man by being "cool"? You see that all the time. Look, I'm not race trolling, but how many black Steve Urkels do you you see in American media nowadays? Now how many white Steve Urkels do you see portrayed in the media? Quite a bit.

As for politically, you guys are allowed to organize based on your race and not only is it socially accepted, it's socially encouraged. As long as you avoid the taboo topics, you are all good, and that is way more than what can be said about whites organizing along the racial level like blacks do. We would lose our jobs, access to banking and be socially ostracized if we ever decided to form and organize under a Congressional Caucasian Caucus (which doesn't exist, but every other race does get one in America).

Just some thoughts and getting some ideas out there, it's not meant to sound confrontational to you Fortis I know you're a long time poster here, as you said and I liked your post. And I don't blame you for not wanting to move back, or at least being hesitant to do so. I've said this to my friends before, and I usually don't talk politics at all in real life, but I asked them what America is going to look like if the good times ever run out? This society is so divided, probably a combination of division happening naturally as well as being pushed onto us, that this will be a very dangerous place to live should we ever enter into a REAL 2nd Great Depression, where people are living out of cars/vans and 50% or more of folks are lining up at the food bank.

We got a taste of this stateside around March and April, when people were hoarding and would not even look at one another in the supermarkets when the supply chains couldn't keep up with the demand (that was caused by hoarding). There was no community in most places, only a look of fear, panic and desperation where people dared not look at one another as they hoarded for themselves without a 2nd thought for those around them.

The old America, where we were all Americans and in this together, is gone. Maybe that time never existed anyways, but it sure as hell doesn't exist now.

 

[Fortis]

No worries. I'm not trying to pick any fights or nitpick. I am just voicing some thoughts on this matter. Me being a long time member shouldn't matter too much anymore. It's a different Era of RVF. However, thanks for clarifying.

Is it really "political organization" if we literally always vote the same way even if it bites us in the ass each and every time? Is that real control or is that just the illusion of control? Why is it that whenever a Black person who wants to course correct comes along they get got?

As others have brought up before, Black people voting anything other than democrat is seen as anathema.

I don't care about media portrayals of Black people really. We're basketball-Americans/Rap-Americans to the majority of Non-American people. We're serious in the context of our physicality but considered lacking in actual real presence in any other way. When's the last time you heard a Chinese person actually give a shit about the accomplishments of a Black person outside of the context of sports or entertainment?

I'm talking socially. We do not control our image at all. We're "cool" but being cool only matters if you're in High School or something. I

People internationally still see us as a massive misguided joke. Hell, other Black people see us as an even bigger joke. The African guys on the forum have mentioned that this is the case and I have seen this be the case in my own personal experience. I'm not whining and I do not care all that much what someone else thinks of me, but that's really what I mean.

Perhaps some would say I'm asking a lot, but I think it's fine to be skeptical of media representation and how much it truly benefits Black people. It's an opiate and makes some Black people complacent but we could do better, I think.

Asians might be seen as nerds in popular media but they're also driving Lambos, quietly buying up properties in historically affluent black areas and all without some media representing them in a "positive" way.

 

[Teedub]

That Nick Cannon thing is noteworthy. Two reasons - one, that nobody even asked him to apologise for his comments about (non Jewish) white people. Secondly, do these kinds of people really think that way? As in, white people are evil devils and so on because they "lack melanin". Aren't these people usually friends with, or in relationships with white people. The grandmother of Cannon's children is a white Irish woman for crying out loud. For a supposed oppressed minority they certainly get away with saying some incredibly inflammatory stuff - is it the 'bigotry of low expectations' from white liberals? The "Oh, he's only a stupid rapper, let him say what he likes, he has no real power" kind of thing.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

People internationally still see us as a massive misguided joke. Hell, other Black people see us as an even bigger joke.

I think it is inevitable that people see the world in such groups. I don't think there is an example where anything other than this is the case. For example the Turkish ethnicity is an invention. The country is a mix of Caucasus and Greek whites; middle easterners; strands of central Asia; and there are even about 100,000 blacks who exist there in lieu of the evil (British) empire forcing the Ottomans to end their 700 years of castrating all their blacks slaves. Those groups don't mix much and the owners of the country are mostly white. Despite most not knowing their ethnic past - the visible ethnic markers are more important than the invention of Turkey. This is how powerful racial grouping is. Something they don't know or talk about is more important than the identity most feel a part of.

Each group has it's reputation and if you don't happen to fit that mould then you are going to have to disarm that reputation each time you encounter someone. It can vary, i.e. a Chinese person may think that your dark skin colour stains bed sheets; while the liberal white does not see you as an real entity - they see you as something that can only exist without terrorism via their grace; and communications are strained through the filter of their pussy footing and the high of feeling they are not a racist. A few of such people have told me they would never date a black woman.

The left, in their faux effort to force people to not see racial groups have only served to heighten the way people see each other as part of groups. They have carefully constructed a narrative where both noticing race and not noticing race are a hate-crime for whites. You would have thought keeping quite would be sufficient, but white silence is also violence now. It is psychological terrorism of the type that Russia is still trying to recover from.

The difference is that whites (by and large) don't want to associate with blacks, as evidenced by decades of whites moving out en masse when blacks move in. Blacks on the other hand wants access to the things they thinks whites have (money, status), but they don't want to do what is required to get them. Not all, but most. And if you do the same things as some whites, and want to join white society politely, you are going to be called out as an Uncle Tom; for following the only honest route to what many blacks complain for not having. The acceptable routes to material gain are behaving poorly - entitlement and thuggery; or getting in line with being a subsidised professional on the corporate-Democratic plantation.

One of the key things that should be targeted is the reality that the Democratic machine is most pleased when the worst things happen to blacks. They weren't happy when that French actor Jussié Somllié wasn't subject to a modern day lynching. They instead either chose to believe him anyway or held onto the idea of what it represented. Rather than seeing the George Floyd incident as what is was, an isolated incident of unknown motive, they instead decided it was part of an egregious pattern of blacks being hunted down and killed. Former congressman John Lewis faked a hate attack on himself. Rather than saying, "Phew. This isn't what I thought it was. America isn't as bad as I thought. Thank God." They chose to believe it anyway or memory holed it. Because something bad happening to blacks is extremely valuable, while nothing at all happening to blacks means nothing.

Blacks are literally signed up to a team that wants to worst for them ... because the worse it is for the blacks the greater the political power of The Democrats.

 

[Easy_C]

That Nick Cannon thing is noteworthy. Two reasons - one, that nobody even asked him to apologise for his comments about (non Jewish) white people. Secondly, do these kinds of people really think that way? As in, white people are evil devils and so on because they "lack melanin". Aren't these people usually friends with, or in relationships with white people. The grandmother of Cannon's children is a white Irish woman for crying out loud. For a supposed oppressed minority they certainly get away with saying some incredibly inflammatory stuff - is it the 'bigotry of low expectations' from white liberals? The "Oh, he's only a stupid rapper, let him say what he likes, he has no real power" kind of thing.

Yes. Poke around the black identity movement sometimes.

some of their ideas are REALLY off the wall. I saw one site claiming white people were created by an evil scientist to use as minions for taking over the world, which is why they have calcified pineal glands.

 

[Elipe]

Is it really "political organization" if we literally always vote the same way even if it bites us in the ass each and every time?

Speaking as an outsider looking in, what I think I'm seeing here is that blacks have a lot of solidarity, the tribalism (that should be natural to all humans) is there. Blacks, politically, have a degree of unity that you just do not see in whites.

Basically, black people in America have the raw material to do something different with their destiny. The basic ingredients are there, but it seems like there are 2 things holding blacks back: leadership and crab bucket mentality. The 1960s proved that blacks are certainly capable of organizing around strong black leaders that worked hard to get blacks to be at peace and in harmony with others. They basically came up with 2 major solutions: either blend into white society by acting white (MLK Jr), or leaving and building their own nation (Malcolm X).

But without leaders like those, blacks have descended into a sort of crab bucket mentality, again stemming from that strong sense of racial solidarity and unity, that you're in it all together, and so if a brother is still in that bucket, he's going to pull you back in if you try to climb out. Blacks definitely do want to have their own identity, free of white influence, and the crab bucket is a part of that effort to maintain that cohesive culture. That, I think, is where the accusations of being an Uncle Tom comes from, because there is definitely a very real fear there of compromising blackness. Like someone pointed out, blacks are 12 - 15% of the population in America, so there is definitely going to be a feeling of being under siege, of being surrounded and on the cusp of being wiped out.

Basically, black people have perfectly natural tribalistic impulses that every human being should have, and they definitely do have the raw material there for a big, good movement to coalesce around that, in the right hands, could do a lot of good for everybody all around, and blacks are definitely itching for that movement, but this is being exploited by bad faith actors that are using black identity as a tool to rile up blacks and keep them on a metaphorical plantation.

This is why I do not see BLM as anything like the 1960s movements. BLM is not MLK Jr or Malcolm X. BLM is full blown marxism masquerading as black solidarity, being used as a tool to divide-and-conquer.

But back to the main point, and I think this will answer your question, Fortis. I do think that whites looking at blacks and how they vote so tightly as a bloc and quickly rally around flash points, makes us a little envious. We look on and wistfully wish that whites could do the same thing. Sure, the things blacks vote for do bite them in the ass, but you're still voting together, and that does count for something.

You've seen the electoral maps, haven't you? The maps that show the 2016 election if only people from certain demographics had voted in the election. The map for blacks is basically all blue. Male or female, still blue. And then you have the maps for whites, and it turns out whites really aren't as cohesive. White men would have voted almost all red, but then you see the map for white women, and there's more blue in there. And then you look at age groups - young whites vote more blue than older whites.

That is why whites look at blacks and think they have political organization.

 

[iop890]

Yes. Poke around the black identity movement sometimes.

some of their ideas are REALLY off the wall. I saw one site claiming white people were created by an evil scientist to use as minions for taking over the world, which is why they have calcified pineal glands.

That's Yakub. He's always depicted as a black guy with a giant head because smart scientists have big heads to hold their giant brains.



There was a fairly active poster on the old forum that believed in this 'WE WUZ GAWDS AN ERFS' stuff but was quiet about it.

 

[Garuda]

 

[ed pluribus unum]

I don't know how I stumbled on this guy's channel, but his first videos I watched were about penitentiary life and his experiences in prison (10 years in fed prison for a bank robbery rap). He has since branched out and covers a range of topics in his videos, but basically he's trying to "lace up" young guys out there who need direction and inspiration. I enjoy listening to him talking; I just appreciate the truths of what he's saying and the positivity he brings.

Anyhoo, here he is sounding off on BLM and sucking up to the black community for votes:

 

[Papaya]

An interesting thread. I occasionally lurk but I don't often have much to add. I will say this:

I know many of you guys know me, but for the newer guys, I'm Black American and I don't say any of this out of bitterness or defeat. That really isn't my style.

Ultimately, I think the fate of Black people in America is to be constantly misled by whatever nonsense MSM throws out there. We lack the cohesion or the political clout to really take control of our image. I do think we're trending more positively thank we have been in decades and when I go home things look better in my shithole city. I feel safer walking around than I have in years. The downtown area actually has Black businesses making moves. It's rather surreal.

I'm not quite sold on moving back home and being a part of what's going on, but I try not to be too harsh.

As far as more intelligent Black voices go, I'm a big fan of Glen Loury, John McWhorter, and Thomas Sowell. I like that they're technically what would have been considered Liberal decades ago but are considered far right because of the strange political drift that has occurred with time. I was having a conversation with some current and former RVF members about this recently.



The reason I say that is because guys like Loury, McWhorter and Sowell stick to the facts. These three guys could easily be at the top if they were willing to compromise their ethics more.

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I was glad to see the name "Fortis" pop up

I actually had Dr Thomas Sowell in mind when I started this thread. Ive read several of his books and am an admirer of his work. I first read "Intellectuals and Society" probably 12-15 years ago.

His intellect is profound and his insights (and warnings) seem downright uncanny now.

Its particularly entertaining to watch him in verbal discussions and / or debates. You can tell that he's an real intellectual giant who's used tolerating lesser intellects. Theres a lot of footage on YT



His voice is more important now than ever not because he's black but because he's been so thoroughly right for so long

Edit: He's 90 yo now. If he lives long enough to be able to speak in public again I plan to attend one of his engagements

 

[budoslavic]

 

[tier9]

Is it really "political organization" if we literally always vote the same way even if it bites us in the ass each and every time? Is that real control or is that just the illusion of control? Why is it that whenever a Black person who wants to course correct comes along they get got?

As others have brought up before, Black people voting anything other than democrat is seen as anathema.

I think you underestimate what black Americans are able to do when it comes to organizing politically based solely on their race.

Just because the majority of black people are voting for democrat, they still have a choice.

Black Americans organize politically based on race nationally, with the Congressional Black Caucus, but they also get to do it on the state and local level too. Did you know that? Take for example, the Black Republican Caucus of Florida:

Black Republican Caucus of Florida

Say what you want about it, but I would say that this is about as much control as a group can get. Again, you can't touch the taboo topics so whether that's "real control" or not is debatable, but it's a hell of a lot more than what white Americans of European descent are allowed to do.

Why is it that whenever a Black person who wants to course correct comes along they get got?

As others have brought up before, Black people voting anything other than democrat is seen as anathema.

What do you mean by the bolded comment, Fortis? Are you talking about a black person "getting got" for correcting the course against the taboo topics, or are you talking about a black person "getting got" for correcting course by switching to the conservative or Republican party? If it's the former, that goes for every race not just black people.

If it's the latter, I respectfully have to disagree. Republicans are bending over backwards to get black people to vote for them, so much so where it's almost a cuck fetish at this point.

Trump can't go a day without talking about "black unemployment" and get a 95% white crowd to cheer their hearts out when he talks about it, despite him never uttering the words "white unemployment". Do you think you can get a crowd of 95% black people to cheer their hearts out for a politician talking about "white unemployment"?

Republicans have their campaign organizers make signs such as "Latinos for Trump" or "Blacks for Trump" or "Asians for Trump". No "Whites for Trump" signs are made, but the 95% white Trump crowds will certainly cheer their hearts out when a Republican politician talks about "Blacks for Trump".

Go to a campaign rally for any Republican as a black person and chances are you'll get a front row seat, especially if there are cameras around.

What black person who has tried to correct the course (again, excluding taboo topics) has had something negative happen to them in retaliation for correcting the course by the Republican party? By the Democrats, sure, to a small extent. But by the Republicans?

And even the black people who "get got" by Democrats, have any of them lost their jobs, lost access to banking services, banned from traveling and ostracized from society and most future employment by "correcting the course"? I don't think so, but I can guarantee if a group of white people spoke about the most PC and non-taboo political topics that you can think of, such as maybe tax rates, and started making signs that read "Whites For X Political Candidate", while talking publicly in front of audiences about how tax issues are affecting "The white community", I guarantee you it would get shut down so fast it would make your head spin.

And those whites that organized would lose their jobs, access to banking and find future employment and housing options very very limited moving forward since they would be branded as "White Nationalists" or "White Supremacists" for having the audacity to organize based on their race and holding up "Whites For X Political Candidate" signs while talking about something mundane like taxes.

For as little of control as you think the black community has in regards to how they can organize politically on the racial level, please understand that in 2020 your racial group and every other non-white racial group has the ability to politically organize based on your race on a level that is 10 times greater than anything white people are able to do. Leaps and bounds greater.

 

[2 Right Hands]

Go to a campaign rally for any Republican as a black person and chances are you'll get a front row seat, especially if there are cameras around.

- What do you call the only black guy at the Republican convention?
- Keynote speaker