BRICS+ Thread

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
The S in BRICS seems to be doing very poorly.



BRICS overall is not that impressive. Chaotic Brazil, stagnant Russia, insane India, steep demographic decline China, and South Africa needs no intro.

China and India are economically the most important. India is a good bet after the recession. But India will mostly remain an illogical backwater with a few upper class pockets. More credible if they pull in countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam.

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"We are in favour of using the Chinese yuan in settlements between Russia and the countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. I am sure that these forms of payments in yuan will be developed between Russian partners and their colleagues in third countries," Putin said.

"It is important that national currencies are increasingly being used in mutual trade. This practice should be further encouraged, and the mutual presence of financial and banking structures in the markets of our countries should be expanded," Putin added.

 

Sandalwood Peak

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
BRICS overall is not that impressive. Chaotic Brazil, stagnant Russia, insane India, steep demographic decline China, and South Africa needs no intro.

China and India are economically the most important. India is a good bet after the recession. But India will mostly remain an illogical backwater with a few upper class pockets. More credible if they pull in countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam.

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"We are in favour of using the Chinese yuan in settlements between Russia and the countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. I am sure that these forms of payments in yuan will be developed between Russian partners and their colleagues in third countries," Putin said.

"It is important that national currencies are increasingly being used in mutual trade. This practice should be further encouraged, and the mutual presence of financial and banking structures in the markets of our countries should be expanded," Putin added.

I have no idea why anyone even takes India seriously. The only thing India has going for it is the fact that there is a push for higher education in India, a lot of time ending up in dubious certification. I've personally tried to purchase ivermectin from India directly [calling pharmacy suppliers], felt like I was doing business with a flea market. As a bonus the guy immediately sold my phone number to scammers.

Not sure why you're taking this demographic thing so seriously, remember China can open the border up to their neighbors if they have to. The demographic thing is going global.

Russia is an absolute joke which I say with a broken heart. They should write books about how it's even possible to destroy a country in such a manner. Literally went from a superpower to now groveling with the third world to sell grain and crude oil. Important note, not bread and jet fuel, grain and crude oil. I know people here like to cheer Russia on, which I do too, but this is beyond shameful. What kind of economic model is this nonsense?

Luckily China is the only intelligent player in this whole charade and might actually do some good bringing countries into their own sphere of influence which might be able to offset the absolute chew dominance we got in the west. I prefer Xin and Ping to our Bankman and Goldberg.
 
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Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I have no idea why anyone even takes India seriously. The only thing India has going for it is the fact that there is a push for higher education in India, a lot of time ending up in dubious certification. I've personally tried to purchase ivermectin from India directly [calling], felt like I was doing business with a flea market.

Not sure why you're taking this demographic thing so seriously, remember China can open the border up to their neighbors if they have to. The demographic thing is going global.

Russia is an absolute joke which I say with a broken heart. They should write books about how it's even possible to destroy a country in such a manner. Literally went from a superpower to now groveling with the third world to sell grain and crude oil. Important note, not bread and jet fuel, grain and crude oil. I know people here like to cheer Russia on, which I do too, but this is beyond shameful. What kind of economic model is this nonsense?

Luckily China is the only intelligent player in this whole charade and might actually do some good bringing countries into their own sphere of influence which might be able to offset the absolute chew dominance we got in the west. I prefer Xin and Ping to our Bankman and Goldberg.

India is not somewhere to take seriously, but it is a good bet for growth. Also one of the places I trust the least.

China has one of the steepest demographic declines. Workforce is already shrinking. It will weigh heavily on the economy. Don't know why they'd want to open the borders.

Russia has a greater fertility for renewal. Hopefully it could be spiritual, more than economic.
 

Sandalwood Peak

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
India is not somewhere to take seriously, but it is a good bet for growth. Also one of the places I trust the least.

China has one of the steepest demographic declines. Workforce is already shrinking. It will weigh heavily on the economy. Don't know why they'd want to open the borders.

Russia has a greater fertility for renewal. Hopefully it could be spiritual, more than economic.
If we're all competing on manufacturing potential the west should already be a graveyard. Not sure what the size of their workforce has to do with whether they can achieve first world status.

Russia's number one asset are the people. The red pilled people in Russia, including the orthodox, are all borderline socialists. A soviet legacy. It's kind of funny that this is the number one point of criticism from the west at the same time. The only hope there is the fact that people understand capitalism has failed. Believe it or not.
 

grenade001

Woodpecker
Catholic
I have no idea why anyone even takes India seriously. The only thing India has going for it is the fact that there is a push for higher education in India, a lot of time ending up in dubious certification. I've personally tried to purchase ivermectin from India directly [calling pharmacy suppliers], felt like I was doing business with a flea market. As a bonus the guy immediately sold my phone number to scammers.

Not sure why you're taking this demographic thing so seriously, remember China can open the border up to their neighbors if they have to. The demographic thing is going global.

Russia is an absolute joke which I say with a broken heart. They should write books about how it's even possible to destroy a country in such a manner. Literally went from a superpower to now groveling with the third world to sell grain and crude oil. Important note, not bread and jet fuel, grain and crude oil. I know people here like to cheer Russia on, which I do too, but this is beyond shameful. What kind of economic model is this nonsense?

Luckily China is the only intelligent player in this whole charade and might actually do some good bringing countries into their own sphere of influence which might be able to offset the absolute chew dominance we got in the west. I prefer Xin and Ping to our Bankman and Goldberg.

China has the greatest prospects via the benefits that a sizable diaspora in the local region would provide. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore have millions of highly skilled ethnic Chinese who could be lured to work in Mainland China. The basis links have already been established, and it wouldn't take a lot of effort to scale up.

As for India, it is the home of actual diploma mills which fleece their compatriots with "Harvard degrees" for US$1,000. Their focus on higher education is only to gain residency in Western countries. Out of all major student visa migrant groups Indians rated quality of education the lowest priority, and working rights the highest.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
The questions moving ahead will be what happens when the fiat system(s) of the world fail, and how many people die in the next foolish war game played. Demographics is overrated for many reasons, mostly cycles and war culling.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
If we're all competing on manufacturing potential the west should already be a graveyard. Not sure what the size of their workforce has to do with whether they can achieve first world status.

Russia's number one asset are the people. The red pilled people in Russia, including the orthodox, are all borderline socialists. A soviet legacy. It's kind of funny that this is the number one point of criticism from the west at the same time. The only hope there is the fact that people understand capitalism has failed. Believe it or not.

There will be evermore retired people who need a declining pool of workers to produce wealth for them to consume in retirement. Same problem most of the rest of the world is in some degree of experiencing. But it's going to be more drastic in China than in Japan.


China will probably continue to grow at about 5%, but I'd image by 2050 they will be Japanified, never reaching a level comparable to Hong Kong.

The countries that are most often called capitalist have the highest taxes in the world. It's social democracy that is failing.
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
China, India, and Russia are all civilizations that have hit bottom and are now ascendant again. The West is entering terminal decline, and has gone full Satanic.

You never go full Satanic.
China is a financial house of cards with a demographic decline, you could argue they have already peaked and are back in decline. I'm no cheerleader for the faggot West, but the CCP is hardly anything to look up to, let's not forget they had probably the harshest Covidian response of any country. What they have going is they don't have the woke virus that is quickly deteriorating the entirety of the Western world.

Russia needed another generation or two to rebuild their competency, population and institutions IMO. Again, they benefit from not being infected by wokeness, but it's unclear if the country is ready for long term conflict and to grow an economy not heavily burdened by grift and rent seeking.

I don't know much about India, but I'm sick of seeing their imported IT men walking around lonely in American suburban grocery stores, probably thought they would be dating a blonde cheerleader by now.

I think Turkey has a fair amount of upside at the moment.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
China is a financial house of cards with a demographic decline, you could argue they have already peaked and are back in decline. I'm no cheerleader for the faggot West, but the CCP is hardly anything to look up to, let's not forget they had probably the harshest Covidian response of any country. What they have going is they don't have the woke virus that is quickly deteriorating the entirety of the Western world.

Russia needed another generation or two to rebuild their competency, population and institutions IMO. Again, they benefit from not being infected by wokeness, but it's unclear if the country is ready for long term conflict and to grow an economy not heavily burdened by grift and rent seeking.

I don't know much about India, but I'm sick of seeing their imported IT men walking around lonely in American suburban grocery stores, probably thought they would be dating a blonde cheerleader by now.
China's demographics are just fine. Don't be fooled by (((stories))) the CIA is feeding you about the Chinese birth rate.

The rise in life expectancy will counteract the drop in birth rate for most of a lifetime from now. In fact, children are not productive at all, and are expensive to raise. There is a short term benefit from having the percentage of productive workers in the population increase.

Furthermore. China is still riding the leading edge of first development. Many Chinese peasants who grew up almost the same as a peasant 5000 years ago will start making an industrial worker's wage for the first time in the coming years.

China today is like England in 1790 when the first industrial revolution was still only bearing its first early fruits. They are not on the verge of collapse. They might have some 3-5% recessions along the way, but collapse is very unlikely.

India is farther behind, and they suffer from a larger percentage of 70 IQ citizens, but they have more than enough high IQ people to grow fast and hard for a long long time.

Russia has a national debt to GDP ratio of 17%. The entire rest of the world is bankrupt in comparison. Enough said.

Edit: Russia also has twice the land area of the next largest country, with incalculable natural resources they have barely started to develop.
 
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murphykj930

Robin
Buddhist / Eastern
With the lie flat movement, 996 work culture, one child policy, prevalence of soy in the cuisine, and the way that the average Chinese person looks, I’d bet the demographics are accurate.
 
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paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic


Russia and China from now on trade in Yuan.

Resources. People. Technology. The moment they can find a strong cooperation in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation the judeo-american empire will be on its knees.

The west is living on international law, international finance, patents, the dollar scamming the rest of the world of their productivity and wealth.

The game is rigged. And when the slaves stop working the master will see he has no clothes.

It won't be pretty but the west has more to.loose than the east.

When they stop trading in dollars the paper will loose value quickly.

As in crypto it's in fiat. Whatever is used most is the most valuable. (With some lag)
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
China is a financial house of cards with a demographic decline, you could argue they have already peaked and are back in decline. I'm no cheerleader for the faggot West, but the CCP is hardly anything to look up to, let's not forget they had probably the harshest Covidian response of any country. What they have going is they don't have the woke virus that is quickly deteriorating the entirety of the Western world.

Russia needed another generation or two to rebuild their competency, population and institutions IMO. Again, they benefit from not being infected by wokeness, but it's unclear if the country is ready for long term conflict and to grow an economy not heavily burdened by grift and rent seeking.

I don't know much about India, but I'm sick of seeing their imported IT men walking around lonely in American suburban grocery stores, probably thought they would be dating a blonde cheerleader by now.

I think Turkey has a fair amount of upside at the moment.

There aren't really any rocket-ships to get on in terms of the economy. Any country that is on the road or at a developed-modern economy heads towards Japanification. That is, a shrinking, ageing population, with declining birth rates, an atomised society, inceldom, masculinised women etc. As I think @Parmesan noted in one thread, the US has a secret hidden weapon in that it has an Amish population that is growing virulently.

The Chinese workforce is going to shrink at about 10 million people per year. They have the dynamism to makeup for the pressures of that, but only up to about 2050 or so, when they will likely head into a zero growth situation. Likely with many of the problems of the West.

I don't think this is a huge issue, so long as you keep you borders closed. South Korea has a fertility rate of 1.1 and that will lead to it's pressures, but so would having a fertility rate of 3.0. I think this is a natural God-given cycle that we see happening in all societies. And one of the aspects is that more conservative people are making up a larger share of births. These countries will all likely eventually end up with 2.1 fertility rates and more conservative people. In 100 years, South Korea will likely be South Korea, chugging along sideways.Something that is being robbed from other people.

The economic aspect isn't something I care too much about, as I see the basic play for Europeans to go as far as they can towards an Amish-style existence, rather than one in which they become a little richer, but broadly destroyed and atomised. And for that I see Russia as the only one with potential. Europe, the US etc. are too free. But Russia has the ability to impose a more traditional and Christian society. I don't think it's a matter of rebuilding over generations. You can see in El Salvador how dramatically quickly things can change with the right leadership. And you can see the same in Hungary. Rapid changes in marriage, divorce and abortion rates when the government shifts from a permissive stance the a supportive stance. Make having and staying in a family more appealing, make it the centre of society and things will change rapidly.

Certainly the phenomena on Indian inceldom is going to grow, likely with an uptick in terrorism. It's one facet of diversity that will always remain hidden from the mainstream. Although India will likely have the strongest growth of any large country, as mentioned above, huge portions of the country will be left living without basic amenities. This being due to the caste system having created a large population of low IQ people. This is going to be one of India's biggest problems in coming decades, there is a huge mass of untouchable dalits who are being radicalised under Marxist ideas. And among the resentful Indian middle class you will find a huge growth in what is usually now called - woke. I don't think they will see much if any of that in China.

Turkey has gone sub 2.0 in fertility, and dig into it more and you'll find that its more so educated more-European Turks that are leading it and Kurds who still have high fertility. It was Erdogan's plan for everyone to have six children, leave two in Turkey and send four off the Europe as colonists. The economic growth has been built on the back of sending more people the university, which has created the modern issues mentioned above. Turkey will likely have solid growth without the more extreme demographic effects that will be felt in China.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
To add to that, places that are already highly developed have an advantage in that they remained traditional enough during their economic development that it did not have a negative effect on IQ. In developed countries you see that fertility skews to the very poorest and the very richest in society. That, I would say is abnormal and unhealthy. Traditional societies slightly skew fertility to the more intelligent, wealthier. Fertility is also skewed to the more conservative, which I believe will allow for a more healthy base to be put into the next society.

But if you look at developing societies, fertility is heavily skewing to the poorer and lower IQ. In such countries there are already many people living lives on the modern, developed, pozzed, cultural revolutionary spectrums. Wealth, high IQ people in Africa don't want large families. They want holidays, luxuries, nice houses, cars etc. They want two children; while those that live in the villages are having 5, 6, 7+.

So in the long-run, countries that are already developed and no facing demographic issues have an advantage ... so long as they are not destroyed by immigration.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
China, India, and Russia are all civilizations that have hit bottom and are now ascendant again. The West is entering terminal decline, and has gone full Satanic.

You never go full Satanic.

Aptly spoken.
I think some of you all would do well to listen to what people who lived in, or at least had any extended visits to, these places tell you.

Additionally they're large enough that they're hardly homogenous. India and China in particular, although China does have a much stronger top-down enforcement of cultural hegemony than the other two.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Aptly spoken.
I think some of you all would do well to listen to what people who lived in, or at least had any extended visits to, these places tell you.

Additionally they're large enough that they're hardly homogenous. India and China in particular, although China does have a much stronger top-down enforcement of cultural hegemony than the other two.
Some point out how messed up these places are, and there's no doubt it's true. However, it's a classic case of bad times make strong men ->strong men make good times. When you are climbing out of bad times and building good times again, then by definition you are starting out in a messed up condition.

They may all be messed up in many ways, but they are all building wealth and strength as a civilization and as a nation.
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Some point out how messed up these places are, and there's no doubt it's true. However, it's a classic case of bad times make strong men ->strong men make good times. When you are climbing out of bad times and building good times again, then by definition you are starting out in a messed up condition.

They may all be messed up in many ways, but they are all building wealth and strength as a civilization and as a nation.
I’m not sure either are good examples of that though, China has big brother government, and India seems to have a cultural problem with over feminized men and too much emphasis on soft careers in corporate subservience. Neither strike me as places truly strong men are allowed to thrive.
 
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