British Politics Thread

jordypip23

Ostrich
Gold Member
WalterBlack said:
John Cleese criticised for saying London no longer an English city

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The Fawlty Towers actor John Cleese has been criticised for repeating his 2011 claim that London was no longer an English city.

Cleese, 79, tweeted that his friends abroad agreed with his observation, concluding: “So there must be some truth in it.” The comedian described London as “the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU”. Almost 60% of residents voted to stay in the bloc in 2016.

The actor later issued a qualified apology following widespread condemnation. In a string of tweets countering accusations that his initial tweet was linked to race, he said: “I suspect I should apologise for my affection for the Englishness of my upbringing, but in some ways I found it calmer, more polite, more humorous, less tabloid, and less money-oriented than the one that is replacing it.”


Last year, the Monty Python comic announced that he was moving to the Caribbean because he was disappointed with Britain.


The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength. We are proudly the English capital, a European city and a global hub.”

Tanja Bueltmann, a professor of history at Northumbria University and an EU citizens’ rights campaigner, said Cleese’s comments were designed to stir up emotions around the debate on Brexit, but argued that they pointed to a much larger issue of the way British people talked about immigration.

“I find it hypocritical that someone who is actually living abroad feels the need to make a point like this,” she said. “Why do some British people not see themselves as immigrants if they’ve moved elsewhere? We see cases of British people referring to themselves as expats, detaching themselves from the term immigrant.”

Kuba Jabłonowski, a social science researcher in Bristol, said he was shocked when he saw the tweet. “He claims to care deeply about Britain and its cities, but seems to know very little about them,” he said.

Jabłonowski added that there were other UK cities, including Edinburgh, Bristol, Manchester and Glasgow, that voted to remain in even bigger numbers. “If he doesn’t know that, then why is he commenting on it? When I say things on Twitter, 700 people read it, but when he does, millions read it.”

The British comedian Dom Joly, 51, also criticised Cleese’s tweet. He said: “John Cleese is one of my comedy heroes … Suddenly this thing came out of nowhere and it’s so depressing on so many levels.

“He’s clearly a really smart, funny man, but it is basically a very racist tweet. Secondly, it’s a racist tweet by a man who lives on a Caribbean island – the irony of that is insane. Even the language is insane. Who uses the word ‘opine’?”

This man is a legend & has plenty of credibility. When I think of old British entertainment I think of guys like him & the Beatles heh. Shame on the folks that don't want to hear the truth.
 

Richard Turpin

Kingfisher
Crusader said:
Who does genuinely think BoJo can get Britain out of EU on 31 October? and why? Discuss!

Nah, I certainly hope so, but doubt it.

I'm not sure he's ever really believed in Leave, or whether it was just a platform to get him to be PM. He's a massive improvement on Theresa May, but that's really no sort of recommendation.

Even if he is genuine, he's hampered now by Remainers in his own party, much like May was hampered by Brexiteers.

It'll either be a Brexit-in-name-only shit deal with the EU, or it will be a General Election. If it's a GE, the Remain vote will now get behind Labour and the Brexiteers will be split between the Cons, Brexit Party and UKIP. In other words we've had 3 years of running down the clock and now the final stitch-up is ready to be delivered.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Dr Steve Pieczenik reveals more about boris Johnson in 4 minutes than you will know in years of reading mainstream media:


tl;dr Johnson is the grandson and great-grandson of orthodox Jewish rabbi from Lithuania, and has spent a year on an Israeli kibbutz. He is an Israel first zionist Jew who, beyond the natural loyalty this implies, might also be compromised through balckmail.

Pieczenik is a based patriot Jew, a moderate zionist, who is from the good part of the deep state. Very solid dude, he has served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. His expertise is in foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.
 

Crusader

 
Banned
911 said:
Dr Steve Pieczenik reveals more about boris Johnson in 4 minutes than you will know in years of reading mainstream media:


tl;dr Johnson is the grandson and great-grandson of orthodox Jewish rabbi from Lithuania, and has spent a year on an Israeli kibbutz. He is an Israel first zionist Jew who, beyond the natural loyalty this implies, might also be compromised through balckmail.

Pieczenik is a based patriot Jew, a moderate zionist, who is from the good part of the deep state. Very solid dude, he has served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. His expertise is in foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.

 
Apparently, displaying pictures of the Queen, who is the Head of State is offensive:

Queen pictures removed from Northern Ireland Office

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The Northern Ireland Office (NIO) has removed all portraits of the Queen from its Belfast headquarters.

Three weeks ago, Lord Maginnis told the House of Lords an NIO Civil Servant was paid £10,000 for having to walk past portraits of the Queen.

The senior employee was reportedly offended by the pictures in Stormont House.


The employee was consulted about what image should be used, and suggested one of the Queen meeting Martin McGuinness.

All photos of the Queen have now been removed from the building, the News Letter has reported.


Many nationalists in Northern Ireland do not regard themselves as British subjects, and would not recognise the Queen as their head of state.

The Northern Ireland Secretary of State, Julian Smith, said he recognised "the importance of the Northern Ireland Office being an open and inclusive place to work".

"As an employer in Northern Ireland, the NIO takes its obligations under the Northern Ireland Act and Fair Employment legislation seriously," he added.


'This is outrageous'

Ulster Unionist peer Lord Empey said the issue had been raised with Boris Johnson during his visit to Northern Ireland, saying the new prime minister "looked a bit shocked".

"Hopefully his staff will follow up on this and we will get some clarity," he added.


Meanwhile, Ulster Unionist peer Lord Rogan said: "If true, this is outrageous. It is political correctness gone mad."


When the story was initially reported, the top civil servant at the NIO, Sir Jonathan Stephens, emailed every employee to "offer some reassurance".

In an email, seen by the BBC, he said the office was in contact with the individual concerned and was offering support.

Lord Rogan has since questioned the issue again in the House of Lords.

He asked the government to set out the criteria used to determine which portraits are displayed or removed from NIO buildings and to clarify the facts around what Lord Maginnis had told peers.

Posters, pictures and portraits

In response, NIO minister Lord Duncan said his office was working in accordance with guidelines laid down by the Equality Commission.

"The NIO is sensitive to the display of 'posters, pictures, portraits or other displays that are more closely associated with one or other of the communities' and will consider any concerns raised by employees," he said.

"I can confirm that the department takes steps to ensure no such images are displayed in Stormont House."

Lord Rogan said that the response "would seem to confirm that Royal portraits have been removed from Stormont House".

When contacted for a response, the NIO stated: "We will not comment on individual personnel matters, nor will we comment on the specific comments made by Lord Rogan".
 

fmman

Robin
Ridiculous to remove the Queen portraits from there. Like it or not Belfast is in the UK with the Queen far more relevant to it than those EU slaves in the former republic of Ireland, now a vassal state of the EU.

I am suspicious of Johnson, I suspect he is going to repackage Mays deal with a few changes, dress it up as a new thing and try and get it through. When really it is going to have a transisition period of 2 years or more, and maybe never really leave the Customs Union or ECJ.
 

N°6

Hummingbird
fmman said:
Ridiculous to remove the Queen portraits from there. Like it or not Belfast is in the UK with the Queen far more relevant to it than those EU slaves in the former republic of Ireland, now a vassal state of the EU.

I am actually shocked by this. We have the strange situation of the British head of state's portrait being on display within the British Embassy in Dublin but banned from one of its government department's offices in Belfast despite only a minority of people in NI wanting the removal. This might be the punishment beating from the Conservative Party for the DUP not agreeing to May's surrender to the EU.


This is cuckservatism at its finest. This came soon after a "conservative" government forcing gay marriage and abortion on NI against the wishes of its largest party (DUP), which is the only socially conservative parties left in the UK.
 

El Chinito loco

 
Banned
Gold Member
Crusader said:
This is the new normal. You say anything slightly children being exposed to these freaks, it's called HATRED!

What's wrong with having a 50 year old man dressed as a woman diddle your kids while they are sitting in (it's) lap?

At least they aren't racist or homophobic!
 

Bienvenuto

Pelican
Gold Member
Crusader said:
This is the new normal. You say anything slightly children being exposed to these freaks, it's called HATRED!

You can hear the squeaky coughing of very young children: Outstanding.

Leftists trying to derail Brexit.

1. Jeremy Corbyn attempting to throw a spanner in the works of no deal: basically, no confidence vote from a coalition of party MPs and traitor Conservatives.
JC as caretaker PM of inter-rim government. *Promises* to hold election as soon as No Deal is averted on his watch.


Do we trust Comrade Corbyn to just.. hold on to a little bit of power, but only for a little bit?
Has anyone read Orwell's Animal Farm?

2. Nervous Nancy threatening to punish Britain on trade if they go No-Deal ( -cough- fail to secure Irish border: same thing)


My gut says .. desperate and ultimately ineffectual Hail Marys from the hypocritical Left.
 

H1N1

Ostrich
Gold Member
I am against the grain of public opinion currently, in thinking that the chances of Brexit going ahead are almost zero.

Johnson has effectively no majority - and there are enough hard remain Conservatives that they will switch sides if no-deal really approaches.

My bet would be a coalition govt of all the left parties with some 'reluctant' Cons as well, and the compromise will be no Corbyn, no McDonnell.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Labour wont accept those terms and those who are realistic about Brexit know in their hearts it wont happen because the system has been gamed too much by the enemies of the state, and its supposed friends.

CONs will not win an election. There is a large left Bloc in Parliament and the EU house and this isn't taking into account the traitors in the CONs.

Farage is at this moment in time a Trojan Horse for me. His actions in the past have now come full circle where he is now in the position to take some seats but he and the CONs will lose in total. Can't trust him but he talks a good game I will admit.

This cross-party collusion is something people should be really angry about. They are colluding to stop a peoples vote by giving us a coalition of Lefties who will then supposedly give us a vote. This is classic communist tactics.

This doesn't take into account the economic weapons being deployed. The pound will fall and we are heading for a serious recession. Everybody will blame Brexit and not the gamblers and banksters who did it. Essentially if Britain falls into the shit which is very likely it is going to be blamed on Brexiteers.
 

H1N1

Ostrich
Gold Member
Foolsgo1d said:
Labour wont accept those terms and those who are realistic about Brexit know in their hearts it wont happen because the system has been gamed too much by the enemies of the state, and its supposed friends.

CONs will not win an election. There is a large left Bloc in Parliament and the EU house and this isn't taking into account the traitors in the CONs.

Farage is at this moment in time a Trojan Horse for me. His actions in the past have now come full circle where he is now in the position to take some seats but he and the CONs will lose in total. Can't trust him but he talks a good game I will admit.

This cross-party collusion is something people should be really angry about. They are colluding to stop a peoples vote by giving us a coalition of Lefties who will then supposedly give us a vote. This is classic communist tactics.

This doesn't take into account the economic weapons being deployed. The pound will fall and we are heading for a serious recession. Everybody will blame Brexit and not the gamblers and banksters who did it. Essentially if Britain falls into the shit which is very likely it is going to be blamed on Brexiteers.


I think actually the majority of Labour would be delighted to accept those terms - in fact personally that is what makes me think it is most likely to happen. Corbyn, and a small block of very hard leftists have hijacked the labour party, but the majority are still Blairites/New Labour, who have a great deal in common with the Cons.

Corbyn will fight it, but his star is already fading, you can see by the way they have lost their grip on the media narrative recently. Momentum's misjudgement on Brexit has also broken the spell they seemed to have over many, including much of their hardcore supporter base.

They are nasty, and they are effective, but ultimately they will still not, in my view, be able to prevail over such an overwhelming coalition.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Labour is not Blairite anymore by a long shot. It has been this hard left for some years now. The people that staff Momentum have targeted most of them and have rid the party of most moderates. Those who remain are targeted with abuse and other underhand tactics. Even threatening their families and friends.

Those people are very good at what they do. I have referred them to Red Shirts before on here.

They will not join forces with the Cons as the wind is blowing towards the Left Bloc, considering the demographic change, economic stagnation and the fact the cons have fucked up a lot. On top of Johnson pulling the trigger on Britains exit it would be the final nail for some.
 

H1N1

Ostrich
Gold Member
Foolsgo1d said:
Labour is not Blairite anymore by a long shot. It has been this hard left for some years now. The people that staff Momentum have targeted most of them and have rid the party of most moderates. Those who remain are targeted with abuse and other underhand tactics. Even threatening their families and friends.

Those people are very good at what they do. I have referred them to Red Shirts before on here.

They will not join forces with the Cons as the wind is blowing towards the Left Bloc, considering the demographic change, economic stagnation and the fact the cons have fucked up a lot. On top of Johnson pulling the trigger on Britains exit it would be the final nail for some.

That view isn't actually born out by the numbers. For the 2010 election Gordon Brown was still leader. So in the two elections to date since then, exactly 100 new (as in non-blairite) MPs have been elected into parliament for Labour. Labour currently hold 262 seats in parliament. It is very hard to 'get rid of' incumbent MPs, this is actually the biggest challenge the Tories face if they are to make Brexit happen in the case of a General Election.

The makeup of Parliament is remarkably settled, and if you analyse the MPs that sit for Labour and their political backgrounds and voting records, there is still a very substantial majority that are undeniably Blairite - approximately 3/5, perhaps a little more.

Momentum are effective, but increasingly less so. They misjudged Brexit and lost their grip on control of the party. You can look at the news this week and the fact that Harriet Harman is prepared to say publicly that she is 'prepared' to be a caretaker PM to see that momentum have lost their edge. They picked Corbyn and he just isn't an effective enough operator at the highest levels.

The labour party is in stasis, and many hard left Labour MPs are no fans of Corbyn. The vast majority of the labour party would be delighted to effectively seize power as the largest block in a coalition, and the rest of the left wing parties would be delighted to join them.
 
Sikh peer accuses BBC of 'prejudice' as he quits Radio 4 show after 35 years
A prominent British Sikh has quit his role with the BBC after 35 years in protest after the public broadcaster said some of his talks "might offend Muslims".

Lord Singh of Wimbledon will no longer deliver Thought for the Day on BBC Radio 4.

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Known by listeners as Indarjit Singh, the journalist has been accused the corporation of "prejudice and intolerance", according to The Times.

His comments came after the BBC tried to stop Lord Singh from broadcasting an item commemorating an executed Sikh guru "because it might offend Muslims".

The Sikh guru cited had opposed the forced conversion of Hindus to Islam under the Mughal emperors of India in the 17th century.

However, the script, which was broadcast in November last year, had contained no criticism of Islam.

Lord Singh told The Times: "It was like saying to a Christian that he or she should not talk about Easter for fear of giving offence to the Jews."


The BBC is understood to have allowed Lord Singh to read the script only after he threatened to leave the Radio 4 slot rather than have his religion's teachings "insulted in this way".

The 87-year-old crossbench peer subsequently filed a complaint about the way he had been treated, claiming it was not the first time he had been prevented by the BBC from addressing subjects important to the Sikh faith.

The complaint was ultimate rejected after BBC director of radio James Purnell ordered a review.

Thought for the Day has been part of Radio 4's Today programme since 1970.

The decision by Lord Singh to quit follows a row over comments made by BBC breakfast host Naga Munchetty about US president Donald Trump that prompted the corporation to initially partially uphold a complaint against its own presenter.

Lord Singh said: "The need for sensitivity in talking about religious. political or social issues has now been taken to absurd proportions with telephone insistence on trival textual changes right up to going into the studio, making it difficult to say anything worthwhile.

"The aim of Thought for the Day has changed from giving an ethical input to social and political issues to the recital of religious platitudes and the avoidance of controversy with success measured by the absence of complaints.

"I believe Guru Nanak [the founder of Sikhism] and Jesus Christ, who boldy raised social concerns while stressing tolerance and respect, would not be allowed near Thought for the Day today."


A celebrated interfaith activist, Lord Singh went on to accuse the BBC of "a misplaced sense of political correctness".

He claimed in 2011 he had told told to scrap plans to talk about the birthday of Guru Nanak and instead discuss the "forthcoming marriage of Prince William with Kate".

"I reluctantly agreed to do so, to the upset of many Sikh listeners," he said.

BBC director general Lord Hall of Birkenhead said in a statement he had every confidence in the slot and that Lord Singh might seek a solution using "the BBC's complaints process".
 
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